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Treating scientists as bags of mostly water
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 04:01 PM GMT del 26 Dicembre 2007 +3
During the holiday season, it's natural to ask philosophical questions such as, "what is the essence of being human?" Well, one way to answer that question is purely scientifically. Humans are mostly water (ugly bags of mostly water, according to Microbrain, Stardate 41463.9, Star Trek: The Next Generation,, Episode 17). More than half the human body is made up of water, and we can use that fact to measure how many humans are present at large gatherings. Such an experiment was performed at the 2006 American Geophysical Union (AGU) meeting in San Francisco, as reported in a November 2007 paper by Darin Desilets et al. of the University of Arizona. The experiment made use of the fact that cosmic rays are continually bombarding the earth, creating fast neutrons as a by-product of nuclear disintegrations. When these neutrons encounter large concentrations of hydrogen (such as found in ugly bags of mostly water), they get scattered. One can look at the resulting scattering pattern and deduce how much hydrogen is present, and make an estimation of the number of people present.


Figure 1. Ugly bag of mostly water (and co-founder of the Weather Underground) Perry Samson (right) poses in front of his Poster at the 2007 AGU meeting. Also pictured: Russ Rew and Mohan Ramamurthy of Unidata. Fast cosmic ray neutrons scattered from their bodies were used to help estimate the number of people present at the 2006 meeting.

The equipment needed to do so costs about $10,000, and was set up in the Moscone Convention Center in San Francisco during the 2006 AGU meeting. The scientists were able to show when lunch breaks occurred by pointing out a sharp reduction in neutron scattering when all the scientists filed out to grab a bite to eat. Desilets et al. estimated about 1,700 scientists were present in the Exhibit Hall of the convention center during the height of the conference, which is probably a reasonable estimate, given the stated capacity of 3575 people. The technique can also be used to perform measurements of water content of snow and soil, and Desilets et al. advertise that they are open to paid invitations to count crowds at Rio de Janerio's Carnival, Pamplona's running of the bulls, and the next World Cup Finals.

Happy New Year, everyone! I'll be back with a new blog on January 2.

Jeff Masters

References
Desliets, D., M. Zreda, T. Ferre, 2007, Scientist Water Equivalent Measured With Cosmic Rays at 2006 AGU Fall Meeting, EOS, TRANSACTIONS AMERICAN GEOPHYSICAL UNION, VOL. 88, NO. 48, PAGE 521, 2007.
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451. extreme236 03:27 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Convection is wrapping nicely around a good part of the center
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452. Drakoen 03:28 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
The system has no choice but to move wsw or even southwest in response to surface high pressure anchored around Bermuda.
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453. extreme236 03:30 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Drak, to me this feels crazy talking seriously about a disturbance in the Atlantic basin on December 29th...feels like Zeta all over again lol
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454. Orcasystems 03:33 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
453. extreme236 3:30 PM GMT on December 29, 2007
Drak, to me this feels crazy talking seriously about a disturbance in the Atlantic basin on December 29th...feels like Zeta all over again lol
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236, Drak & Storm W stupid question for you.
Can this thing make it a far as Cancun?

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455. Drakoen 03:36 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
453. extreme236 3:30 PM GMT on December 29, 2007
Drak, to me this feels crazy talking seriously about a disturbance in the Atlantic basin on December 29th...feels like Zeta all over again lol


possibly. The vertical depth of the system will be the key to its survival as was the situation with Zeta.


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456. Drakoen 03:37 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
29/1145 UTC 27.0N 37.6W ST2.5/2.5 95L -- Atlantic Ocean
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457. Cavin Rawlins 03:38 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
449. Tazmanian 11:20 AM AST on December 29, 2007 Hide this comment.
456 how cold is a 496DM low?


whats "496DM"?
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458. Orcasystems 03:39 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Hmm just read about Alice & Zeta
Appears the chances are about zero, unless this one is going to change all of the record books.
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459. Cavin Rawlins 03:44 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Subtropical Storm 95L

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460. 1900hurricane 03:51 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Hey y'all! Invest, huh? This is quite interesting. Reminds me a bit of Zeta.

A little off topic, but still interesting. 1954 had two tropical cyclones named Alice. The first one formed in june (like it should), but second one formed in late December and carried over into January. The reason why it was named at the beginning of the list again is because no one realized it was tropical until January, so they used the list again (1954 and 1955 was before they used rotating names for tropical cyclones and the same names were used).
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461. Cavin Rawlins 03:52 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Tropical Cyclone Melanie

1430 UTC DEC 29 2007

Pattern: Extremely large and well define deep cloud overcast. Curve band is seen at 1.05 arc.

Current Intensity: CI 3.8/60/980

Adjustments: None

Final Estimate: CI 3.8

Dvorak Trends:
0000 UTC DEC 25 2007 - CI 1.5
1230 UTC DEC 26 2007 - CI 1.5
2200 UTC DEC 26 2007 - CI 1.5
1157 UTC DEC 27 2007 - CI 1.5
2030 UTC DEC 27 2007 - CI 1.8
0000 UTC DEC 28 2007 - CI 2.0
1000 UTC DEC 28 2007 - CI 3.0
2030 UTC DEC 28 2007 - CI 3.7
1030 UTC DEC 29 2007 - CI 3.5
1430 UTC DEC 29 2008 - CI 3.8




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462. weatherblog 03:56 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Hey, guys.
I've got a new blog about 95L:
Link
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463. Cazatormentas 03:59 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Oh...! ZETA...

By the way, did you see the last cyclone phase based on GFS? It is carrying the low to the hot area of the diagram; yesterday, the diagram put the low over the shallow warm core area... today, it puts the low over the moderate warm core area... Very interesting.

Moreover, it is located over 23-25ºC waters.

Wikipedia (not very accurate in many cases I think...) says that about subtropical cyclones development: The mode of the sea surface temperatures that subtropical cyclones form over is 23 degrees Celsius.

It would be very nice to see PABLO developing at this time!

Sorry for my poor English. Salutations from Spain.

I share with you a link to a forum in which we are monitoring the progress of that system (in Spanish, sorry): Link
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465. Cavin Rawlins 04:09 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Here's an image of the storm on December 26.
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466. Cavin Rawlins 04:11 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
464. StormW 12:07 PM AST on December 29, 2007 Hide this comment.
457. Weather456 10:38 AM EST on December 29, 2007
449. Tazmanian 11:20 AM AST on December 29, 2007 Hide this comment.
456 how cold is a 496DM low?

whats "496DM"?

That would be 496 DecaMeters, or 4960 meters (thickness).


oooo I see....Thanks

I thought the US doesnt use the metric system.
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467. 1900hurricane 04:12 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
465. Weather456 10:09 AM CST on December 29, 2007
Here's an image of the storm on December 26.


It sure has come a long way from where it was then to where it is now.
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468. Drakoen 04:13 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
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469. extreme236 04:14 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
95L already looks like a cyclone on the image you posted Drak.
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470. 1900hurricane 04:15 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
The sat presentation of the storm reminds me a bit of Andrea before she became subtropical.
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472. HurricaneGeek 04:15 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Wow, so this is Dec. 29th and the tropics still are running....
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473. extreme236 04:16 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Well to me, its about time they have the season extended further into December.
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474. Drakoen 04:19 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
The system does have a good structure. There are no frontal boundaries attached. The convecition is consolidating around the low pressure system. The 850mb positive vorticity maximum has become stronger relative to the mid and upper level vorticity. Wind shear has decrease by 5 knots in the systems path. The most important part now is for the system to become vertically stacked. The mid level center is only one degree north of the surface center.
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475. Drakoen 04:19 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
You guys should use eumetsat to track the system you get a good view of the system and the surround feature. Put in on sector 1.
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476. 1900hurricane 04:22 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Cyclone looks interesting on RGB.

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477. Cavin Rawlins 04:23 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
So taz to answer ur question

4960m is about the 300 mb level.

I can tell you that some past upper lows at that intensity have had -46C at 300 mb. If you were to bring that down to the surface using a standard adiabatic lapse rate..that would be 2C at the surface.

Now factor in the Oceanic Modifier, WAA, vegetation and the forecast snow cover. Then compare it with average.

10-20C near the coast and low valleys of CA
below Zero at higher elevations.
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478. extreme236 04:23 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Yea, EUMETSAT will be good since I cant seem to get the SSD image to update.
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479. extreme236 04:24 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
All the SSD images are 0945UTC
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480. Drakoen 04:24 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
the SDD imagery has not update since sunrise over the system. Its best to use RAMSDIS and EUMETSAT imagery.
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481. Cavin Rawlins 04:25 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
It pays to stay around.....many of us saw the low since Monday.
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482. Drakoen 04:26 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Notice how the coldest cloud tops are only -50 to -60 degrees and are displace from the center. Another indication of a subtropical cyclone.
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483. 1900hurricane 04:26 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
475. Drakoen 10:19 AM CST on December 29, 2007
You guys should use eumetsat to track the system you get a good view of the system and the surround feature. Put in on sector 1.


Here is a link
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484. extreme236 04:28 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Of course, -50 to -60 degrees celsius isnt as warm as one would think when you consider low SSTs. But yes, the coldest cloud tops are displaced away from LLC.
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485. 1900hurricane 04:28 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
The CMC has actually been advertising this low for about a week and a half now.
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486. 1900hurricane 04:33 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Single image from EUMETSAT

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488. Drakoen 04:34 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    



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489. Drakoen 04:36 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
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490. 1900hurricane 04:39 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
I can see that we now have a nice collection of images to work with... so how about one more?

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491. Drakoen 04:39 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
updated shear map. Notice how the 20knot isotach crosses over the low and to the west shear is only 5-10 knots which is the region it needs get to for significant development to occur. The streamlines show westerly shear.
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492. Cavin Rawlins 04:42 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Organization cant get no better than this:

I'm going to get some microwave data for this.

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494. Drakoen 04:46 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
I'm hoping the NHC gives it special feature status, so we can get a better idea of what they are thinking rather than having to go to the Atlantic discussion for some general information.
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495. Cavin Rawlins 04:46 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
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496. 1900hurricane 04:50 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
It looks like Andrea before going subtropical.

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497. extreme236 04:54 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Hmm, I dont think it looks that much like Andrea...
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498. Drakoen 04:56 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
497. extreme236 4:54 PM GMT on December 29, 2007
Hmm, I dont think it looks that much like Andrea...


me either lol.
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499. 1900hurricane 04:56 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
Really? I must be looking at it differently then...
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500. Drakoen 04:58 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
I think i will do a blog update on it later in the after noon.
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501. extreme236 04:59 PM GMT del 29 Dicembre 2007    
95L looks kind of like a comma, Andrea looked like a doughnut.
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