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Katrina's 2nd anniversary, and the tropical update
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 02:31 PM GMT del 29 Agosto 2007 +3
A tropical wave midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles (94L) has changed little since yesterday. QuikSCAT data from 4:47am EDT this morning shows a poorly organized system with a weak, elongated circulation. Top winds were 25 knots (29 mph). Visible satellite loops show a limited amount of disorganized thunderstorm activity. Wind shear is a favorable 5-10 knots over 94L, and should not be a problem for it until Friday or Saturday. By then, 94L will be moving through the Lesser Antilles Islands, and may encounter high wind shear if it is far enough north to feel the winds of an upper-level low pressure system that will be just north of Puerto Rico.

The presence of a large, dusty area of dry air surrounding its north side is the main thing holding back 94L. This dry air is being sucked into the circulation and is interfering with the storm's organization. When the dry air encounters a thunderstorm inside 94L, this denser dry air gets incorporated into the thunderstorm's downdraft, accelerating the downdraft, and creating arc-shaped surface cumulus clouds that mark the downdraft's position as it spreads out along the ocean surface (Figure 1). The presence of these arc-shaped surface clouds is usually a good sign that a storm is struggling with dry air and will not intensify significantly for at least the next 12 hours.

Water vapor satellite loops of the region show that 94L has not significantly moistened its environment. As the storm continues further west, it should be able to gradually do so, allowing it more of a chance to get organized. The system should track through the Lesser Antilles Islands on Friday, which is the earliest day I expect it could become a tropical depression. None of the reliable computer models make a believable forecast showing 94L developing into a tropical depression before it reaches the Lesser Antilles. The GFDL develops 94L into a tropical storm once it makes it into the central Caribbean south of the Domincan Republic, and this is a believable forecast, if 94L hangs together and makes it into the central Caribbean. The Hurricane Hunters are on call to investigate 94L on Friday.


Figure 1. Visible satellite image of 94L, show arc-shaped outflow boundaries from thunderstorm downdrafts.

South Carolina low
An area of low pressure has developed a few hundred miles off the South Carolina coast, along an old frontal boundary. This disturbance has been designated "95L" by NHC this morning. QuikSCAT showed a sharp wind shift but no closed circulation around 95L this morning at 6:34am EDT, and measured winds as high as 50 mph. Wind shear is about 15 knots over the disturbance, which is drifting south into a region where wind shear is expected to remain low enough to allow some development this week. I do think 95L will become a tropical depression, and most of the computer models also agree on this. The models disagree substantially on 95L's track, though. Steering currents will be weak in its vicinity, and 95L may spend a number of days wandering erratically. The Hurricane Hunters will investigate 95L Thursday afternoon.

Coast of Africa
The UKMET model is indicating the possible development of a tropical depression by Friday off the coast of Africa. There is a large surge of moisture with at least one strong tropical wave embedded in it coming off the coast of Africa this week, and it would be no surprise to see this wave develop into a tropical depression.

Katrina, two years later
Two years ago today, on August 29, 2005, Hurricane Katrina smashed into the Gulf coast with Category 3 winds and an incredible storm surge up to 27.8 feet high. Wunderblogger Mike Theiss was at ground zero in Gulfport, Mississippi during Katrina, and has posted a blog this morning on his experience, complete with some very compelling photos. His video of the storm surge washing into the hotel he was at is the most amazing storm video I've ever seen.

Margie Kieper's Katrina's Storm Surge feature on our tropical page provides an extraordinarily detailed 16-part examination of each portion of the coast devastated by Katrina. Margie is scheduled to be a guest on the Talking Tropics Internet radio show Thursday night to talk about Katrina's storm surge. Check the listings to see if there are any last minute changes.


The photo above was taken from Part 8: Lakeshore to Waveland, MS of Katrina's storm surge. An excerpt from the text:
I found an astonishing photo, of the peak of the surge in Waveland, which didn't appear to be faked, but I'm pretty much of a skeptic. The photo had this caption, "Photo taken in Waveland, MS, just North of the Railroad Tracks during Katrina around 9 AM by Judith Bradford." Note that it is being taken from the second floor window of a home, and that the water is close to the roof line of the first floor. There is a man perched on what is left of a home across the street, wearing a tiny life jacket and clutching a neon green pool noodle. There are electric lines running down from a pole to a home from left to right. In the distance on the right is a home with water up to the roof line. It is likely after 9am, as the bulk of the surge came between 9 and 10 am (that is when most of the fatalities occurred along the Mississippi coast), and probably the eye is already overhead, as the water is relatively calm and there appears to be little wind or rain, even though the pine trees are bent from the recent force of the eyewall winds.

The information provided by the Bradfords regarding the surge was very specific. The power went out at around 6:30am at their Waveland home on the morning of the 29th. They were staying in the home for a couple of reasons; first, because the home had not received any water at all from Camille, and, secondly, because both work in the medical field and needed to be available after the storm. At almost exactly 8:30am, water started coming over the railroad track embankment, from the coast, and into their yard.

Their home is 18 inches off the ground, and the first floor has 8-foot ceilings. There is an 18-inch truss between the 1st and 2nd floors, and this is what saved their 2nd floor from being flooded. In a matter of only five to ten minutes the water came up six feet, and quickly filled the first floor after that. Judith said that is why they saved so little from the first floor; they had no time to get anything. She first tried to shut the living room front door, but the force of the water burst the door open. She grabbed a camera and the Bradfords and their children ran upstairs. They marked the high water mark (HWM) on the inner stairwell showing how high the water came ? a little more than six more inches into the truss, which is a total of 10 feet of surge.

They saved two other people besides the man who was floating by on the roof in the photo. He was a chef named Glen, holding a four month old dachshund named Pinky, in the surge. He had lost his other dog and three cockatiels when his mother's home collapsed. The roof wedged against their van, underwater, and stopped, so they were able to save him. Bill Bradford told me when he swam out to rescue that man, that the water was so warm it seemed almost hot. He said the current was nothing like white water, but was a gentle continuous flow.

Because their home is right by the railroad tracks, it is not as high in elevation as I had thought. It is around 17 feet elevation. That is close to the HWM observed in Pass Christian, 27 feet.

With such a good quality HWM, I wondered why their house was not surveyed. Judith Bradford told me that no one from the federal government seemed to realize their house was there. The road leading up to Jeff Davis (they own 6 ½ acres and raise miniature horses, which were drowned in their stables when the surge came) was filled with debris. The teams doing Search and Recovery for bodies didn't even check the house because they didn't know it was there; it was a good thing the family survived!

The water started to go down sometime after 11am, and by noon was about chest high, and by 2pm about waist-deep. The water finally left the house completely by about 4 or 5 pm that evening. She believes the railroad track embankment kept the water from receding faster. "


I'll have an update Thursday morning, unless there's a major change in 94L or 95L. My thoughts and prayers are with all those affected by Hurricane Katrina today. Let us not forget what happened two years ago.

Jeff Masters

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1151. donedeal 01:38 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
It appears this is all we're going to hear from the NHC for awhile. Maybe they feel they had better get some rest before things really heat up, lol!
000
NOUS42 KNHC 291415
WEATHER RECONNAISSANCE FLIGHTS
CARCAH, NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, MIAMI, FL.
1015 AM EDT WED 29 AUGUST 2007
SUBJECT: TROPICAL CYCLONE PLAN OF THE DAY (TCPOD)
VALID 30/1100Z TO 31/1100Z AUGUST 2007
TCPOD NUMBER.....07-097

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. SUSPECT AREA (NORTH OF THE BAHAMAS)
FLIGHT ONE
A. 30/1800Z
B. AFXXX 01FFA INVEST
C. 30/1500Z
D. 29.0N 76.5W
E. 30/1730Z TO 30/2200Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

FLIGHT TWO
A. 31/0600Z
B. AFXXX 02FFA CYCLONE
C. 31/0200Z
D. 28.0N 76.0W
E. 31/0500Z TO 31/0900Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

2. SUCCEEDING DAY OUTLOOK: CONTINUE 12 HRLY FIXES IF
SYTEM NORTH OF THE BAHAMAS REMAINS A THREAT.
POSSIBLE LOW LEVEL INVEST NEAR 13N 58W AT 31/1800Z.

1152. CapeBretonNS 01:38 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
I don't know if you guys seen this link....

http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/satellite/animateweb_e.html?imagetype=satellite&imagename=goes_enam_ 1070_m_..................jpg&nbimages=1&clf=1
1153. TerraNova 01:38 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Link to more early cycle models:

Link
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1154. hurricane23 01:39 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Posted By: emagirl at 9:33 AM EDT on August 30, 2007.

so how much of a chance do we have of any of the storm affecting us.

Chances are very low to 0 any of these systems will bring any significant problems to the united states.The only one i see that might and i stress might is 94L which there is small chance it could make it into the GOM but the chances of that happening dont look high as of now.94L is still not showing any really push towards better organization but as it gets closer to the islands warmer SST'S and somewhat favorable upper levels might be enough for some slow development.If i had to make a call on its future track i'll go with something similar to dean right now. Adrian
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1155. Bonedog 01:37 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
eagles I have been getting that as well. I made a post about it a few up from yours
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1156. OkieChick 01:38 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Thanks SJ

Hope you don't mind questions now and again! I appreciate all the help.
1157. VaSurfer 01:41 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Ok thanks for the response, I'll just go it alone
1158. hurricanehamster 01:43 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
what time is it in florida
1159. Bobbyweather 01:44 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
I cannot believe we have 94L 95L 96L and 97L and Gil and 95E and 92C and Fitow! It may be the most active day of the hurricane season!
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1160. Bonedog 01:45 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
I think the reason we dont have the 8am TWo or any updates from the NHC for recons or anything is because when the Navy hit up 2 invests to add up to 4 the met on duty spit his coffee all over the computer!
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1161. TerraNova 01:43 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
what time is it in florida

9:44 AM eastern time at the time of this post.
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1162. hurricane23 01:44 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Posted By: Bobbyweather at 9:44 AM EDT on August 30, 2007.

I cannot believe we have 94L 95L 96L and 97L and Gil and 95E and 92C and Fitow! It may be the most active day of the hurricane season!

Could very we'll be and be happy there is not a major hurricane baring down on the U.S.
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1163. TheStormWillSurvive 01:45 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
man the TWD must be a mile long at this point
1164. MIsland321 01:47 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
leftovers,
I agree with you. Saw that wide angle atl view and looks like bands on north ans south sides are forming.
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1165. StormJunkie 01:47 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
TN, I also updated the SFWMD model page on the Quick Links page. Not sure what the deal was with the other link. Can find some early cycle guidance there as well.

Well Adrian, I am not quite as confident as you are about 96. If I were in the NE, namely the Cape Cod area, I would keep a pretty close eye on it and the front. Going to be a close call and if the front slows just a little then it could easily make the CC area imho.
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1166. Bonedog 01:48 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Weather Radios Recalled by Oregon Scientific Due to Failure to Receive National Weather Service Alerts

Link
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1167. donedeal 01:48 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Good one Bonedog!
1168. mississippiwx23 01:49 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
The NHC starts the invests, not the Navy, I believe.
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1169. DaytonaBeachWatcher 01:50 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Posted By: Bonedog at 9:45 AM EDT on August 30, 2007.

I think the reason we dont have the 8am TWo or any updates from the NHC for recons or anything is because when the Navy hit up 2 invests to add up to 4 the met on duty spit his coffee all over the computer!


lmao

Posted By: mississippiwx23 at 9:49 AM EDT on August 30, 2007.

The NHC starts the invests, not the Navy, I believe.


Yes that is correct
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1170. StormJunkie 01:49 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Good call BD!

Mwx23, that may be true, but often times the Navy has it up first, and honestly I think either can declare it an invest. I don't think the GFDL/HWRF starts running unless the NHC says so though...
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1171. hurricanehamster 01:52 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Posted By: Bonedog at 1:45 PM GMT on August 30, 2007.

I think the reason we dont have the 8am TWo or any updates from the NHC for recons or anything is because when the Navy hit up 2 invests to add up to 4 the met on duty spit his coffee all over the computer!
---------------
thts a classic
1172. hurricane23 01:53 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
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1173. Bonedog 01:55 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
I always thought it was the Navy only because they show up on their website befor ethe NHC.

Either way when all 4 popped up the met on duty spit his coffee all over the computer :)

Thats why nothing has been issued like it normally would be.
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1174. mississippiwx23 01:55 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
They probably do colaborate...but I believe it is still the NHC's call to place an invest on the system.
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1175. fireflymom 01:55 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
thanks for the weather radio info Bonedog!
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1176. guygee 01:55 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Posted By: VaSurfer at 1:33 PM GMT on August 30, 2007.
"I live 1 block off the beach up here in VB, please tell me 96L will stay out to sea? Our local weathermen are showing signs of concern this morning".

VaSurfer - Please keep close track of NHC forecasts and especially forecasts from your local NWS office in Wakefield VA, here.

It is a tricky forecast because a trough currently over the Ohio valley is approaching, which may draw 96L NW for a short while before sweeping it out to sea. It looks like you will be safe, but keep a close eye out until it is well north of you.
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1177. TheStormWillSurvive 01:56 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
by the way all 4 invests are now on floaters
1178. TerraNova 01:56 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
SJ ive always used my friends link for tropical cyclone models.You might want to give it a try. TROPICAL CYCLONE MODELS

You can get ensembles,late models and current.


They also give some nice WRF runs. They havn't updated the models with 96L and 97L but they should do so shortly (~14 UTC; 10 AM EDT)
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1179. Tazmanian 01:57 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
is 96L the same has 95L?
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1180. StormJunkie 01:57 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
guygee, that is why I am wondering if 96 could brush by Cape Cod on it's exit to the NE eventually...
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1181. Melagoo 01:57 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Atlantic

97L.INVEST
96L.INVEST
95L.INVEST
94L.INVEST

Looks like things have been turned up a notch LOL!
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1182. TheStormWillSurvive 01:58 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
all 6 Floaters are in use guess they have to get some more before the end of the year
1183. Bonedog 01:58 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
this server error message is really anyoing me.
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1184. TerraNova 01:58 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
is 96L the same has 95L?

No; but they came from the same frontal boundary.
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1185. guygee 02:00 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Posted By: StormJunkie at 1:57 PM GMT on August 30, 2007.
"guygee, that is why I am wondering if 96 could brush by Cape Cod on it's exit to the NE eventually..."

Agreed SJ, folks up there need to be on the alert and keep themselves updated regularly.
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1186. Bonedog 02:02 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
your welcome to all the folks that said thanks about the weather radio recall. Hopefully the Doc will put it up top later when he does a new blog that way all can see it and it doesnt get buried.
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1187. BrandonC 02:04 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Holy crap I get up and turn on the computer and we have 4 invests!! Sorry if this has been said this morning but wow. Good Morning by the way to all of the regulars and even to the not regulars. Please stay a while and become a regular. :P
1188. Bobbyweather 02:06 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
where's 97L?
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1190. TerraNova 02:07 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
where's 97L?

Bay of Campeche; the same wave that seemed to have developed before moving over Belize.
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1191. ClearH2OFla 02:07 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
where is 97L
1192. StormJunkie 02:09 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Alright y'all, I'm out for awhile

See ya soon, got to get back to work on some projects :~)
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1193. Bobbyweather 02:09 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
I bet there will be (Sub)tropical Depression 6 by 11AM.
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1194. C2News 02:11 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
I updated my blog
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1195. BrandonC 02:12 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Ummm Just taking a peak at the latest Qscat and about pulled a bonedog incident with the coffee on the computer when I saw this . . .

Latest Qscat
1196. sullivanweather 02:13 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
Posted By: sullivanweather at 1:25 PM GMT on August 29, 2007.

95L is going to have to lose some of the shear that it's under right now.

I would also caution that 95L isn't the only low pressure along this old front. There's another non-tropical area of low pressure about 350 miles to it's northeast which could be more of a threat.

The front that extends from the upper Great Lakes down into the Texas panhandle isn't supossed to move off the coast completely until Friday evening, so these systems have about 60 hours or so to get their act together.



Looks like 96L has become the dominate feature in this frontal trough off the coast.

I think we'll have our next cyclone here, whether it be tropical or subtropical. Especially since it's close enough to the coast to be a threat.
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1197. BrandonC 02:13 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
That my friends is a closed LLC off of North Carolina coast. Not sure if it is classified as tropical as I haven't done much research or even looked at it for that matter but I thought that was interesting.
1198. Bobbyweather 02:14 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
It looks as if there is an eye.
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1199. TheStormWillSurvive 02:16 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
New Blog
1200. SLU 02:16 PM GMT del 30 Agosto 2007    
NEW BLOG!
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