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Congressional NHC hearing tomorrow; Hawaii eyes Cosme
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 02:38 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007 +3
There are no areas of interest to talk about in the tropical Atlantic today, and none of the reliable computer models are forecasting tropical storm formation during the coming week. We will need to watch the waters off the Carolina coast on Saturday, when a cold front is expected to push off the coast. The tail end of this front could serve as the focus for development of a tropical disturbance.

Hawaii eyes Cosme
Residents of the Hawaiian Islands need to keep an eye on Tropical Storm Cosme, which is headed towards the islands and may impact their weather by Saturday. Cosme is a not-too-impressive 40 mph tropical storm now, thanks to 15 knots of wind shear and ocean temperatures about 25 degrees C. However, satellite imagery of the storm shows that it is maintaining a solid amount of heavy thunderstorm activity despite the wind shear and cool SSTs. I expect Cosme will be a tropical depression or weak tropical storm on Saturday when it passes close to the Hawaiian Islands, since SSTs are expected to increase and wind shear should decrease over the storm on Friday.


Figure 1. Sea Surface temperatures beneath Cosme were about 25 C (78 F), just below the 26 C threshold favorable for tropical cyclones. Cosme will be traversing a region of 24-25 C SSTs through Friday, then SSTs will warm to 25-26 as it reaches the Hawaiian Islands on Saturday.

Congressional hearing on the National Hurricane Center
On Thursday, July 19, from 10am until 12pm EDT, the House Committee on Science and Technology is holding a hearing called, "Tracking the Storm at the National Hurricane Center". You can check out some of the press releases and listen to a webcast of the hearing at the Committee web site. The Miami Herald, Orlando Sentinel, and Houston Chronicle have interesting stories on the upcoming hearing. The list of people testifying include Bill Proenza; QuikSCAT expert Dr. Robert Atlas; an emergency management official from the Gulf Coast states; and the head of NOAA, Admiral Lautenbacher. There may be others testifying, including Dr. Jim Turner, deputy director of the federal agency NTIS (National Technical Information Service), who led the inspection team that showed up at NHC without notice on July 2. Dr. Turner's report was scheduled to be completed this Friday, July 20, but is now scheduled to be released to the Congressional panel tomorrow. Notably absent from the list of people called to testify thus far: anyone from the National Hurricane Center, and a QuikSCAT science expert besides Dr. Atlas, who has thus far not addressed in his public comments--that I have seen--the very high uncertainties surrounding the impact of QuikSCAT data on track forecasts of landfalling hurricanes. I'll be sure to present a full analysis of the science presented--and the science left unsaid.

Jeff Masters
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151. nash28 05:58 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Link

Here is the CMC
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152. nash28 06:00 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Even the track the CMC has for this ridiculous storm is out in left field!!!! Looking at the latest WV and steering imagery for the next week plus, I see NOTHING forcing a storm due north from that position. In fact, the opposite would happen. Basically due west to WNW.
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153. Indialanticgirl 06:01 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
thanks Nash!
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154. Tazmanian 06:02 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
this wave i am watching wish will likey be come 97L

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155. nash28 06:03 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
The fact that the CMC bombs this thing out the further north it goes, which is cooler SST's is enough to discount it.
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156. Drakoen 06:04 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Taz that blob looking like its may go into South America. the wave by the lesser Anitlles is more interesting; as well as the wave at 30W 15 N.
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157. MrNiceville 06:05 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Taz,

Why not the wave in front of it?
159. weathersp 06:08 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
The 12z CMC Run... Its total BS, don't believe it.. I don't know what's happen to that model.
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160. Tazmanian 06:09 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
MrNiceville it wont do march thats why!
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161. moonlightcowboy 06:10 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Is it a safe assumption to say that convection along the itcz, normally is at all levels: lower, mid and upper?
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162. Tazmanian 06:11 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
: Drakoen if you look at this loop you see this wave may have a spin to it not sure if its to the sfc or not but it is moveing WNW or W

Link
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163. nash28 06:11 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Taz- Do you want to elaborate on why the wave approaching the Lesser Antillies isn't worth watching?
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164. Tazmanian 06:11 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Posted By: aggie17 at 6:06 PM GMT on July 18, 2007.

Taz, what do you think about the latest CMC run?

the cmc gone nuts
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165. gthsii 06:12 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
On that CMC model, everytime I start the animation and then press the stop button it wont stop. Am I the only one that has this issue or do others notice it as well?
166. MisterJohnny 06:13 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Thank You for the update Dr. Masters
167. Drakoen 06:13 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
I don't see any spin.
Lets wait and see what the NHC says. Also, StormW should be giving us an update.
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168. Tazmanian 06:13 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
it this wont do march it will most likey fall a part by that mid to upper level trough wish it that wave will be runing in to
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170. Drakoen 06:14 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
MLC heres the mid level water vapor imagery.
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171. Drakoen 06:15 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Taz the upper level trough isn't near the wave lol.
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172. weathersp 06:15 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Here StormW..

CMC
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173. moonlightcowboy 06:18 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Posted By: Drakoen at 6:15 PM GMT on July 18, 2007.
Taz the upper level trough isn't near the wave lol.


...lol, that's what had me confused earlier, Drakoen...knew there was no trough near there.

ALSO, that's mid-level wv, is there ITCZ convection normally too, at the low and upper levels usually? OH! and TIA, again!
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174. Drakoen 06:18 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
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175. Drakoen 06:19 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
usually ITCZ convection goes to the upper levels but when it comes down its lessens as it reaches the surface, due to SAL.
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176. Tazmanian 06:21 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
and any thing that pops up right now would taske it in to the gulf coast or the E coast of FL
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177. moonlightcowboy 06:21 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Ok, Drakoen, I think you're saying there's WV at the mid and upper levels usually; but less at the surface because of SAL?
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179. Drakoen 06:23 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Posted By: jphurricane2006 at 6:21 PM GMT on July 18, 2007.

what up all

why would the CMC have that type of track unless the ridge was eroded severly


LOL that what i am wondering. The CMC is on crack.
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180. Drakoen 06:24 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Posted By: moonlightcowboy at 6:21 PM GMT on July 18, 2007.

Ok, Drakoen, I think you're saying there's WV at the mid and upper levels usually; but less at the surface because of SAL?


Yes. SAL affects the mid-lower levels.
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182. hosweather 06:26 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
The UKMET tends to back up the CMC. It doesn't actually show a storm developing, but its sea level pressure over the next 5 days shows the breakdown in the ridge where CMC takes the storm up to New England.
183. moonlightcowboy 06:27 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Drakoen, ok then, according the mid-level wv shot, I would guess that SAL is not really effecting the low at mid and upper levels...the problem is at the surface (low levels) then?
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184. Drakoen 06:29 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
yes MLC.
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185. moonlightcowboy 06:32 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Thanks, Drakoen. That certainly sheds light on understanding SAL effects at the different "levels."

Thanks, I know I'm full of questions!!! lol

Now, would an "upward" pulse from the MJO cause convection to rise and disipate SAL at the lower...and consequently, other levels?
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186. Drakoen 06:33 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
the GFS has that low close to 12N is 18 hours.
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187. WeatherfanPR 06:33 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Hi Guys : Things are getting active. This wave over the antilles looks healthy, we could be dealing with a strong wave or td forming near Puerto Rico. Also the ITCZ is very active, a lot of moisture. Where's the dry air?
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188. DaytonaBeachWatcher 06:33 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
SW
I may be wrong but I think that if the CMC was on the right track with a system that, according to the GFS (which I think is a more reliable model right now) the timing is a little off. The CMC is too fast with the breakdown of the ridge near there. The breakdown would actually happen a little later, hence the system a further west.

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189. hurricane23 06:34 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
With no other model agreement on the forcast by the CMC i dont see it takeing shape.As i stated early in my personal opinion i put the CMC model right up with the NAM when it comes to forcasting tropical cyclones.Infact the CMC has done very poor so far this tropical season on genesis.

Here is a piece of the lastest model discussion..

THE CANADIAN...ALWAYS ENTERTAINING WITH TROPICAL
CYCLOGENESIS...DEVELOPS A TROPICAL CYCLONE-LIKE FEATURE THAT MOVES DUE NORTH FROM EAST OF THE BAHAMAS INTO THE GULF OF MAINE WHICH THROWS ITS SOLUTION INTO MAJOR DOUBT SINCE NONE OF THE OTHER GUIDANCE HINTS AT A TROPICAL FEATURE AND THE ROUNDY TROPICAL CYCLONE PROBABILITY DIAGRAMS DO NOT SUPPORT IT. CHI VELOCITY POTENTIAL STANDARDIZED ANOMALIES OFF THE CANADIAN SHOW FAVORABLE 200MB DIVERGENCE BUT UNFAVORABLE LOWER CONVERGENCE. OTHER MODELS SHOW UNFAVORABLE CONDS.


One other note the 72hr surface map from the NHC has this wave moving west into the caribbean.
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190. nawlinsdude 06:34 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
I agree things are getting more active. The GOM SST'S are dangerously hot.
191. Drakoen 06:34 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
yes MLC. the MJO acts to increase convection and lower SFC pressures.
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193. Drakoen 06:37 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
BASED ON 1200 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY THROUGH
1745 UTC.

...TROPICAL WAVES...
A BROAD E ATLC TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 18N30W 6N32W. A 1012 MB
LOW IS ALONG THE WAVE AXIS NEAR 14N MOVING W NEAR 18 KT. THE LOW
ITSELF CONSISTS OF ELONGATED CYCLONIC TURNING IN BROKEN
STRATOCUMULUS. SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS LIMITED TO THE
INTERSECTION OF THE WAVE AXIS AND THE ITCZ GENERALLY FROM 7N-11N
BETWEEN 30W-37W.

TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 58W S OF 17N MOVING W 15-20 KT. THIS WAVE
CONTINUES TO EXHIBIT A BROAD INVERTED V SHAPE. UPPER E/SE FLOW S
OF AN UPPER HIGH IS DISPLACING MOST OF THE ASSOCIATED CONVECTION
TO THE W OF THE AXIS. THIS SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS
AFFECTING THE SRN WINDWARD ISLANDS AND ADJACENT WATERS FROM
10N-16N BETWEEN 57W-64W. ANOTHER CLUSTER OF MODERATE CONVECTION
IS WITHIN 90NM E OF THE AXIS FROM 8N-10N.

TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 85/86W S OF 19N MOVING W NEAR 15 KT.
SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS MOVING TOWARDS THE GULF OF
HONDURAS WITHIN 200NM E OF THE AXIS N OF 15N. A SIMILAR PATCH OF
CONVECTION IS MOVING ONSHORE THE SRN COAST OF NICARAGUA. THIS
WAVE ALSO EXTENDS INTO THE FAR NE PACIFIC AS DESCRIBED IN THE
PACIFIC DISCUSSION UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIATWDEP.
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197. FlaRob 06:45 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
JP, what conditions does the MJO influence? I know what it stands for, I just don't understand what it enhances ect.
198. weatherblog 06:45 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
Don't beileve the CMC; totally on crack!!

In the atlantic, there are a few interests of disturbed weather. Nothing organized though.

If anything were to develop, it'd the Lesser Antilles wave, only becasue shear in the caribbean is forecasted to lower. Also, maybe, as Dr. M stated in his blog when on Saturday a stalling trough will be off near the Carolinas...need to watch that scenario.

Not to mention, in a week or two when SAL and shear lowers even more, waves that come off Africa, should be monitered very closely, becasue the conditions may be favorable, and a bunch of tropical cyclones may form.

So, as said, as of now, watch some of the waves coming off of Africa, the disturbed weather near the Lesser Antilles and South America associated with the ITZC, and not to mention the SE coast near the carolinas also.
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200. hurricane23 06:51 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
The CMC has been forcasting these phantom storms all over the place for weeks now and being the only model thats forcasting this i would not put to much stock on it takeing shape.

For those interested i posted the lastest model discussion on the cmc forcast a little up in the blog.
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201. Drakoen 06:54 PM GMT del 18 Luglio 2007    
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