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Restoring confidence in NHC
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:24 PM GMT del 11 Luglio 2007 +2
There are no threat areas in the tropical Atlantic to discuss, and none of the computer models are forecasting tropical storm formation over the coming week. In the Pacific, an exceptionally large Category 4 typhoon, Man-Yi, will pass close to Okinawa on Friday, and hit Japan on Saturday. Winds at Okinawa have been as high as 50 mph with gusts to 70 mph.

Some links on Man-Yi, sent to me by Jim Edds:

Live camera feed from Southern Okinawa:

click on the pic arrow on the bottom right.

Okinawa radar.
click on Okinawa to zoom in - awesome shot

Camera feed with some audio.
click on the first "no image" box then select "report 17/66"


Latest satellite image of Typhoon Man-Yi, courtesy of NOAA.

Restoring confidence in the NHC
Interim National Hurricane Director Dr. Ed Rappaport has two immediate tasks--restoring morale fractured by Bill Proenza's turbulent 6-month tenure, and restoring public confidence in the Hurricane Center's ability to do their job. With the steadying influence of Dr. Rappaport, a highly respected and talented hurricane scientist, I expect that the staff of NHC will put out their best hurricane forecasts ever this season. Aiding in this endeavor will be the availability of a new hurricane tracking, intensity, and storm surge model called the HWRF--Hurricane Weather and Research Forecast Model. In addition, several of the other reliable models used by the forecasters, such as the GFS and GFDL, have had upgrades since last hurricane season. Furthermore, the Air Force Hurricane Hunters will be carrying the SFMR instrument for the first time, which can measure winds speeds at the ocean surface everywhere the aircraft fly.

Forecasters at the National Hurricane Center made their best track forecasts ever for storms in the Atlantic in 2006. The mean track errors for 12 to 72 hour forecasts were 15% - 20% lower than during 2001-2005. Track errors for Atlantic storms have improved about 50% in the past 15 years (Figure 1), a remarkable achievement that has undoubtedly saved lives and hundreds of millions of dollars. The track error in 2006 for a 24 hour forecast was 58 miles; 112 miles for a 48 hour forecast; and 171 miles for a 72 hour forecast. Track errors for 96 and 120 hour forecasts were 236 miles and 305 miles--the second best on record (2003 set the record). NHC's long-range 120 hour forecasts had a significant bias to the west of 94 miles--about double the bias of what the computer models were forecasting. Thus, when the models correctly called for systems to recurve out to sea, NHC human forecasters tended to resist following what the models were saying.



Figure 1. Track forecast skill since 1990 in the Atlantic for the official NHC forecasts. Track errors are given in nautical miles (100 n mi = 115 miles). Skill is rated compared to a "zero skill" forecast using NHC's CLIPER5 model. The CLIPER model (short for CLImatology and PERsistence) is a model that makes a forecast based on historical paths hurricane have taken, along with the fact that hurricanes tend to keep moving in the direction they are going (i.e., their current motion persists).

Intensity forecasts
Intensity forecasts since 1990 have shown little or no improvement, and 2006 was no exception (Figure 2). One encouraging result was the emergence of the GFDL's intensity model as the best intensity model for 2006. This is the first time that a non-statistical model has made the best intensity forecasts. With the major improvements that were added for the 2007 version of the GFDL, plus the availability of the HWRF model, I am hopeful that this year will see the first noticeable improvement in intensity forecasts since 1990.



Figure 2. Intensity forecast skill since 1990 of the official NHC Atlantic forecasts. Intensity errors are given in knots (10 knots = 11.5 mph).

Jeff Masters

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801. GoofOff 12:18 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
MahFL,
Taz is our official 'eye' spotter. If he doesn't see one, then it isn't there. Of course, some of them only last for a few seconds while he is looking at them, but that doesn't mean they weren't there. (FYI provided by Florida Treasure Coast member.)
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803. MrNiceville 12:28 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Thanks for the update, AntiC - good info...
804. Patrap 12:32 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Them Jarheads will Hunker down.

Semper Fi!.
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805. FLARV 12:37 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
I admit to being a lurker and not posting much, but I would like your collective opinions on the following question. *IF* the steering currents do go back to how they were in 2004, would that be worse for the east coast of Florida or the west coast of Florida and the Gulf States?
806. groundman 12:39 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
So will we have 97L in 24 hours or less? If CAL wave keeps on I think we will.

Re Man-yi, GLAD it isn't here, looks like a steamroller.
808. corimorgan 12:43 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
I just heard on CNN that NOAA has announced La Nina has offically begun in the Pacific. Does this mean the 2006 sterrig patterns will lift?
809. Patrap 12:45 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Man-yi Warning and ship avoidance graphic,track..Link
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810. MrNiceville 12:46 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
That's just CNN - they don't report it unless it has "scare" written all over it - I'll bet they're hyping it in the context of an AB storm frequency increase, right?
811. TheCaneWhisperer 12:48 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
From the looks of the Navy Track, looks like Naha and all other areas of Okinawa Island will remain in the East Quadrant and not get the break from passing through the eye. Wind forcast up to 135kts to 125kts while passing the area.

135 Knots = 155.5 MPH
125 Knots = 144.0 MPH

12+ hours in that, No thank you.
812. IKE 12:50 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Their getting close to TS force winds already...note the pressure too...


"Observed at: Okinawa, JP
Elevation: 148 ft
[Light Drizzle]
82 °F
Light Drizzle
Humidity: 89%
Dew Point: 79 °F
Wind: 31 mph from the East
Wind Gust: 38 mph
Pressure: 29.24 in (Falling)
Heat Index: 92 °F
Visibility: 6.2 miles
UV: 0 out of 16
Clouds: Few 400 ft
Mostly Cloudy 2900 ft
(Above Ground Level)"............


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813. Patrap 12:50 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
The Southeast and east facing Pacific side of Okinowa has the brunt to deal with ..The storm begins now for them. Its all downhill from here. Good luck to the Islanders and all the U.S. Military in Harms way.

Link
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814. Patrap 12:51 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Naha ,Okinowa wunderground page..Link
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815. fredwx 12:53 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
The NAO has been negative for some time and I have read that the NAO has some influence on hurricane tracks. Any comments?

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816. TheCaneWhisperer 12:57 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
I see nothing of the sort here corimorgan. The PDF was released July 9th and states neutral conditions.
817. IKE 12:57 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
That wave...yeah, I know...the one that won't get it's act together....has no chance....doesn't look great, but I think it's worth watching.


The GFS, CMC and NAM all show the moisture heading toward the northern islands...PR...Haiti..in that area.
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818. Canesfan68 12:59 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
IKE, I'm going on a cruise this Saturday and it heads to HAITI first. We should be there the 16th. Is the moisture going to be there at that time or am I in the clear?
819. Jedkins 01:01 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
To be honest Man-Yi looks rather ragged for a category 4, it looks more like a category 3 this morning, looks less impressive then it did last night. Not saying it isn't a category 4. But its eye is ragged and its cloud tops are a lot warmer then its had since it was a much weaker system.



Looks like like the outflow and circulation is being blocked on the northwest side. This likely won't be deepening any more till it can get its act back together. Which can easily still happen, just currently, its not too impressive looking.
820. Patrap 01:01 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Id go with the Haitian official wunderground forecast. Link
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821. Canesfan68 01:02 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Thanks Patrap, if that's the case, then I should be in for some nice weather.
822. weathers4me 01:03 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Patrap: How are the weather trends for New Orleans this weekend? Spending the weekend there in the French Quarter. Thanks
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823. Patrap 01:08 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
New Orleans Local forecast Link
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824. TheCaneWhisperer 01:14 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Not much is going to happen in the Western Atl and Eastern Caribbean with this set up!

FROM THE NHC

IN THE
UPPER LEVELS...BROAD UPPER RIDGE OVER THE W ATLC AND THE GULF OF
MEXICO EXTENDS OVER THE N CARIBBEAN N OF 18N W OF 77W WHILE A
SECOND UPPER RIDGE IS OVER THE TROPICAL ATLC EXTENDS OVER THE E
CARIBBEAN E OF 73W INDUCING AN ELONGATED UPPER LOW FROM THE
WINDWARD PASSAGE TO OVER HONDURAS.


$$
WALLACE
825. weathers4me 01:17 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Patrap: Thanks for the link. Looks like hot and sticky just like here in West central FL.
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828. melwerle 01:27 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
morning everyone!

Anything new out there or still quiet? Living right outside of Savannah and it is HOT here. REALLY hot. Actually starting to look at houses in San Diego again and thinking sitting in traffic for two hours on the way home from work wasn't such a bad thing after all...
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829. corimorgan 01:29 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
I see nothing of the sort here corimorgan. The PDF was released July 9th and states neutral conditions.

That's weird! Where did CNN get that?
830. TheCaneWhisperer 01:30 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Too early to be thinking about the "H" word in Southern Florida Anticyclone. Interesting nonetheless.
831. TheCaneWhisperer 01:31 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Maybe the CPC is planning to do it this coming Monday. I am sure CNN has reliable sources, they have only been kicked out of a few countries, lol. Have to wait and see Monday's report cori.
832. hurricane23 01:31 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Good morning...

Lastest CPC outlook indicates Neutral conditions will be in place the next 2 months in the atlantic basin followed by a weak nina.

Climate Prediction Center 7/12/07 Update
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834. stoormfury 01:32 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
something is trying to spin up with the wave in the CATL. look at 8N 40W. The nsxt few hrs will tell



href="http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/catl/loop-vis.html" target="_blank">Link
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835. nash28 01:34 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
The GEM is forecasting a hurricane for SFL?

I am still half asleep.
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836. stoormfury 01:35 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
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837. Tazmanian 01:37 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Yes 28 they are cool huh???



weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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838. guygee 01:42 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
I want to thank Dr. Master's for covering recent events at NHC that lead to a change in leadership there. Obviously there was a large disagreement on how OUR limited tax dollars should be used to fund projects that support tropical cyclone-related forecasting and research. It is apparent that Bill Proenza crossed the line from science to zealotry in his support of a QuikSCAT replacement, while the majority of experienced NHC forecasters disagreed based on their own interpretation of the well-documented data.

As taxpayers and citizens we should demand that our tax dollars be spent in the most effective and efficient way to maintain and improve hurricane forecasting. I for one am glad that Dr. Masters keeps us informed on these matters, as they are very relevant to the stated purpose of his blog. My own view is that the people here who have criticized Dr. Masters for covering these events are really the ones who are using this blog for their own political purposes.
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840. PensacolaDoug 01:48 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Anyone got a link to the GEM?
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841. Tazmanian 01:53 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
hello STL cant stay march longer this want to say hello
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842. Tazmanian 01:54 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
evere thing is seting up like it was in 2004 takeing evere hurricane we get right in too FL or the gulf coast
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843. nash28 01:55 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
It depends on where the stystems form Taz.
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844. guygee 01:55 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
MichaelSTL - Thanks for posting that forecast, I just caught it on my way out after posting my "manifesto", LOL.

As of June 21 NCEP was a lot less bullish on a strong La Nina:
Link

PROGNOSTIC DISCUSSION FOR LONG-LEAD SEASONAL OUTLOOKS
NWS CLIMATE PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
830 AM EDT THU JUN 21 2007
[...]
EARLY IN THE YEAR A RAPID DECREASE IN NINO 3.4 SST ANOMALIES... THE DEVELOPMENT
OF BELOW NORMAL SSTS NEAR THE EQUATOR ALONG THE SOUTH AMERICAN COAST... AND
DYNAMICAL MODEL PREDICTIONS OF PACIFIC SSTS RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT A TRANSITION
TO LA NINA CONDITIONS BY MID 2007. HOWEVER... BELOW NORMAL SSTS HAVE NOT
DEVELOPED IN THE CENTRAL PACIFIC... AND SUB-SURFACE OCEAN TEMPERATURES IN THE
CENTRAL PACIFIC HAVE RECENTLY BECOME SLIGHTLY ABOVE NORMAL. THESE INDICATORS
MAKE A TRANSITION TO LA NINA CONDITIONS MUCH LESS LIKELY IN THE NEXT FEW MONTH
THAN HAD APPEARED EARLIER IN THE YEAR. MOST DYNAMIC MODELS CONTINUE TO PREDICT
A TRANSITION TO LA NINA CONDITIONS BY LATE SUMMER... ALTHOUGH STATISTICAL
MODELS PREDICT THAT CENTRAL PACIFIC SSTS WILL DRIFT ONLY SLIGHTLY DOWNWARD...
INDICATING NEUTRAL ENSO OR ONLY VERY WEAK LA NINA CONDITIONS. THUS... AT THIS
TIME NEUTRAL ENSO CONDITIONS ARE ANTICIPATED THROUGH JAS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT
OF LA NINA CONDITIONS POSSIBLE LATER IN THE FALL... ALTHOUGH AT THIS TIME IT
APPEARS THAT LA NINA CONDITIONS WILL BE WEAK. THUS ENSO HAS A LIMITED IMPACT
ON THIS SERIES OF FORECASTS.
[...]

Conflicting model predictions...should be interesting to see how it pans out.
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845. TheCaneWhisperer 01:55 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
The GEM is a restricted model on all my sites Pcola! Not sure if someone else has a link.
846. Drakoen 01:56 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Hello everyone. I just read Anitcyclones post. Can you please post a link to that information?
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848. hurricane23 01:57 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Hey nash28!
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849. TheCaneWhisperer 01:57 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Adrian. That link to the ENSO Outlook says July 7th, not the 12th.
850. philliesrock 01:58 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Michael could I have the link to where you got that?
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851. nash28 01:59 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Hey 23. How goes it today? Busy at work myself, so I will be off and on...
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