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Restoring confidence in NHC
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:24 PM GMT del 11 Luglio 2007 +2
There are no threat areas in the tropical Atlantic to discuss, and none of the computer models are forecasting tropical storm formation over the coming week. In the Pacific, an exceptionally large Category 4 typhoon, Man-Yi, will pass close to Okinawa on Friday, and hit Japan on Saturday. Winds at Okinawa have been as high as 50 mph with gusts to 70 mph.

Some links on Man-Yi, sent to me by Jim Edds:

Live camera feed from Southern Okinawa:

click on the pic arrow on the bottom right.

Okinawa radar.
click on Okinawa to zoom in - awesome shot

Camera feed with some audio.
click on the first "no image" box then select "report 17/66"


Latest satellite image of Typhoon Man-Yi, courtesy of NOAA.

Restoring confidence in the NHC
Interim National Hurricane Director Dr. Ed Rappaport has two immediate tasks--restoring morale fractured by Bill Proenza's turbulent 6-month tenure, and restoring public confidence in the Hurricane Center's ability to do their job. With the steadying influence of Dr. Rappaport, a highly respected and talented hurricane scientist, I expect that the staff of NHC will put out their best hurricane forecasts ever this season. Aiding in this endeavor will be the availability of a new hurricane tracking, intensity, and storm surge model called the HWRF--Hurricane Weather and Research Forecast Model. In addition, several of the other reliable models used by the forecasters, such as the GFS and GFDL, have had upgrades since last hurricane season. Furthermore, the Air Force Hurricane Hunters will be carrying the SFMR instrument for the first time, which can measure winds speeds at the ocean surface everywhere the aircraft fly.

Forecasters at the National Hurricane Center made their best track forecasts ever for storms in the Atlantic in 2006. The mean track errors for 12 to 72 hour forecasts were 15% - 20% lower than during 2001-2005. Track errors for Atlantic storms have improved about 50% in the past 15 years (Figure 1), a remarkable achievement that has undoubtedly saved lives and hundreds of millions of dollars. The track error in 2006 for a 24 hour forecast was 58 miles; 112 miles for a 48 hour forecast; and 171 miles for a 72 hour forecast. Track errors for 96 and 120 hour forecasts were 236 miles and 305 miles--the second best on record (2003 set the record). NHC's long-range 120 hour forecasts had a significant bias to the west of 94 miles--about double the bias of what the computer models were forecasting. Thus, when the models correctly called for systems to recurve out to sea, NHC human forecasters tended to resist following what the models were saying.



Figure 1. Track forecast skill since 1990 in the Atlantic for the official NHC forecasts. Track errors are given in nautical miles (100 n mi = 115 miles). Skill is rated compared to a "zero skill" forecast using NHC's CLIPER5 model. The CLIPER model (short for CLImatology and PERsistence) is a model that makes a forecast based on historical paths hurricane have taken, along with the fact that hurricanes tend to keep moving in the direction they are going (i.e., their current motion persists).

Intensity forecasts
Intensity forecasts since 1990 have shown little or no improvement, and 2006 was no exception (Figure 2). One encouraging result was the emergence of the GFDL's intensity model as the best intensity model for 2006. This is the first time that a non-statistical model has made the best intensity forecasts. With the major improvements that were added for the 2007 version of the GFDL, plus the availability of the HWRF model, I am hopeful that this year will see the first noticeable improvement in intensity forecasts since 1990.



Figure 2. Intensity forecast skill since 1990 of the official NHC Atlantic forecasts. Intensity errors are given in knots (10 knots = 11.5 mph).

Jeff Masters

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751. MrNiceville 03:57 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Heck - I did drive past it 100s of times! I get off at Fairway to go to my folks' house in BC. Is it really there? Or is google maps screwed up and it's actually north of I-12? I rarely got up there unless it was to go to the C/W store for a pair of boots...
752. Patrap 03:58 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
The Hilton Gig is a Big event. Id need an invite. Most likely. Im just an ol enlisted air-winger.But 2nd generation MArine.
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753. Patrap 04:00 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Its fairly new nicelville.Was nice and new as a matter of fact. Plasma screens everywhere. Nice BAr. Sweet.Was packed at 1pm. Its above 12 heading north a lil..
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754. MrNiceville 04:01 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Have a friend over in Pontchatula...

Understand - I think sis wants to move North Shore, but oldest daughter is 10th grade at Sacred Heart, youngest daughter is 1st grade there and son is going to go to Jesuit like his dad. So, dad refuses to move...

Sorry to hear about your wife - mine works for SSA in title 16 unit here - she's told me horror stories. Hope that your experience with them has been decent...
755. bobcane 04:03 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
The forecats for winds on Man-Yi are 165 kts. What is that in mph? I am thinking that is 185 mph, yes?
756. MrNiceville 04:04 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Heck - don't need an invite - just tickets! Of course, someone does have to "reserve" the table. Got lucky - my "boss" was retired CWO-3 working at MFR, so he took care of the details for all 10 of us.

I was impressed (that's an understatement), but it may have just been the liquor (can you imagine?). Of course, my wife complained that she couldn't find me in the crowd because there were too many shaved heads...

757. Patrap 04:04 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
We make do. Its been an experience. A trial of sorts. But the Kids are thriving. We all here. The rest will work out.
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758. Patrap 04:05 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Warrant Officers good guys. I knew some good ones
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759. hornfan 04:05 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
It will work out -- Issac
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760. MrNiceville 04:06 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
761. Patrap 04:08 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Did you get your wu-mail MrNiceville?
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762. bobcane 04:08 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Thx Nice, WOW. That could mess my hair up.
763. MrNiceville 04:09 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
And that's what you hope for, Pa

I've met some good and some not so good CWOs - mostly the former variety. I'm extremely impressed by the way that the Marines tie promotion in the E ranks so closely to demonstrated ability to lead. It's just not that way in the other services.
764. MrNiceville 04:10 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
wu mail? what's that?
765. Patrap 04:11 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
That lil red light on the left of the page on your puter screen. Click it. It says mailbox..LOL
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766. MrNiceville 04:39 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Thanks Pa - never paid attention to that stuff - figured it was all advertising!

Gotta hit the sack - need to get in the office early (aka before the managers) so I can get some work done...

Nite all
767. Patrap 04:45 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Me too..later gator.
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768. bobcane 04:53 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
me too, good nite all
769. stormybil 04:54 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
watching the atl. today looks like the wave at 35 west wants to get its
act together . does it have a chance to do so ?

imo the tropics will be very active on july 19 and on just in my own opinion stay tuned
770. KoritheMan 06:00 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
watching the atl. today looks like the wave at 35 west wants to get its
act together . does it have a chance to do so ?

imo the tropics will be very active on july 19 and on just in my own opinion stay tuned


Like I said, unless this holds its convection for at least two days, both day and night, I won't be too concerned with it. Holding it just at night only to fizzle during the day simply won't do. That's why 96L was never classified.
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771. stormybil 06:28 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
dont forget there was alot of dryair with 96l thats why it didnt make it as for now the dry air is alot less so this may have a shot yes we will see tomorow stay tuned
772. sullivanweather 06:54 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
What on earth is with the 'shoot the rapper' ad at the top of the screen?!?!
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773. entophile 08:08 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
I would not want to be in Okinawa this weekend.
774. Fshhead 08:20 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Man-Yi is indeed following the projected path so far. Okinawa & Japan are in for a rough ride it would appear!!!
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775. TayTay 08:33 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Those cloud tops will cool overnight and convection could grow. I don't think this monster is done intensifying yet.
776. Fshhead 08:35 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Nope, I think it will get stronger for sure!!!Storms always rapidly intensify at night!!!!
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777. TayTay 08:37 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Yeah, it's over bathwater and is in perfect shape for more intensifying.
778. sunshineandshowers 08:40 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
it's expected to reach Cat 5 according to wunderground page.
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779. Fshhead 08:42 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Man & is it ever tracking right down the center of the projected cone. Perfect forecast so far except for the intensity part oops...
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780. Fshhead 08:46 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Sunshine as soon as the sun sets over there, Man-Yi is going to go through rapid intensification. The reasons Tay posted there are why!
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781. Fshhead 08:47 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Here is rainbow loop showing it..
Link
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782. Fshhead 08:49 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Here's all the west Pacific satellite shots of Man-Yi....... Just go to third row (image loops)
Link
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783. KoritheMan 08:53 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
The eye is becoming less cloud-filled with Man-yi now than it was earlier, another signature that it's strengthening. Has some excellent convection on the equatorial side.
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784. sunshineandshowers 09:05 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
luckily (if that's the right word) it looks like the weaker western side will hit okinawa.
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785. stoormfury 09:10 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Good morning
the atantic at 10N 33W looks very interesting this morning. It looks like there is a mid to low level circulation attached to a tropical wave. Wind shear is at 5-19 knots in this area. Tne system is embedded in a lot of moisture, the chabces of further development are good
This area has to be watched over the next few days.Link
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786. TayTay 09:22 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
The moisture won't last. This wave is too close to the equator right now. Once it moves out of the ITCZ, that moisture will be gone. Convection won't last.
787. stoormfury 09:36 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Tay Tay
take a look at this WV image. it is very difficult to see this moisture dry up so quicklyLink
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788. stoormfury 10:03 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Today is the 47th anniversary of hurricane ABBY hitting St Lucia



Link
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789. TayTay 10:48 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
96L was the same. This is what happens to july storms. Especially ones in with very poor organisation and a lack of convection. Once they leave the moisture of the ITCZ, that protective bubble of moisture vanishes.
791. stoormfury 10:57 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
96L was embedded and surrounded by very dry air wuich was it'e demise. this case is very different. less dry air and plenty moisture
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792. Thundercloud01221991 11:01 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Look at man-yi in the picture up on top
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794. IKE 11:14 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Okinawa's rockin this morning/evening....


"Observed at: Okinawa, JP
Elevation: 148 ft
[Mostly Cloudy]
83 °F
Mostly Cloudy
Humidity: 88%
Dew Point: 79 °F
Wind: 25 mph from the ENE
Wind Gust: 36 mph
Pressure: 29.28 in (Falling)
Heat Index: 94 °F
Visibility: 6.2 miles
UV: 0 out of 16
Clouds: Mostly Cloudy 3700 ft
(Above Ground Level)"............


The believers vs. the non-believers on the central Atlantic wave.
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796. Rainman32 11:41 AM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Tropical Weather Discussion
Nws TPC/National Hurricane Center Miami Fl
805 AM EDT THU JUL 12 2007

Tropical wave is along 36W S of 17N moving W 15-20 kt. Broad low level Inverted-V signature is observed on satellite imagery. Clusters of scattered moderate/isolated strong convection are from 7N-11N between 34W-40W.



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797. MahFL 12:02 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
I see an eye on the central wave !!!!!................lol.
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798. biff4ugo 12:06 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
I know Japanese wood structures handle quakes quite well, but I don't know if they are good for a big blow. Okinawa sounds like Key West, catching a piece of every other storm that comes by.
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799. MrNiceville 12:13 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
They do OK over there on O - they get to practice almost every year...

Just got an e-mail from my buddy at Iwakuni. They don't expect much over there by the time it gets to the mainland - Cat 1 winds at best. They're staying put, rather than evacuating further north (at least that's the Commander's decision)...

Right now, Man-Yi reminds me A LOT of Opal, which I remember all too well. We affectionately refer to her as the "buzz saw" as we lost quite a bit of power infrastructure that had to be replaced. Fortunately, SSTs don't support intensification beyond Okinawa and it appears that there's a trough moving down from the north which may help recurvature along...
800. groundman 12:15 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
Posted By: MahFL at 12:02 PM GMT on July 12, 2007.
I see an eye on the central wave !!!!!................lol.



Don't be silly MahFL, I see banding though. LOL LOL

Morning all! Coffee time, got a late start.
801. GoofOff 12:18 PM GMT del 12 Luglio 2007    
MahFL,
Taz is our official 'eye' spotter. If he doesn't see one, then it isn't there. Of course, some of them only last for a few seconds while he is looking at them, but that doesn't mean they weren't there. (FYI provided by Florida Treasure Coast member.)
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