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Challenging Bill Proenza's QuikSCAT numbers
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 05:04 PM GMT del 04 Luglio 2007 +4
A political storm engulfed the National Hurricane Center this week, with a majority of the senior hurricane forecasters calling for Bill Proenza's removal as director. The most visible issue revolved around the extraordinary focus on the aging QuikSCAT satellite. The public argument put forth by Mr. Proenza was that QuikSCAT data was so vital to hurricane track forecasting that without it, track forecast errors would increase significantly, leading to larger warning areas and increased costs for evacuation and emergency planning.

Focus on QuikSCAT--out of proportion?
On March 16th Proenza went public with the QuikSCAT concerns and associated statistics for the first time, stating that "two- and three-day forecasts of a storm's path would be affected. The two-day forecast could be 10 percent worse while the three-day one could be affected up to 16 percent," with the conclusion," that would mean longer stretches of coastline would have to be placed under warnings, and more people than necessary would have to evacuate." As a result of these comments, a perception arose in the public and among lawmakers that without QuikSCAT, NHC would not be able to provide accurate hurricane forecasts. Legislation was hastily introduced into both the House and Senate to provide an immediate replacement for the $375 million satellite.

Proenza's statements raised several questions: 1) Why the focus on track forecast errors in landfalling situations, when QuikSCAT was widely known to be used in intensity forecasting and for tropical cyclones too far at sea to be accessed by the Hurricane Hunters? 2) Could such specific and significant gains in track forecast error truly be attributed to QuikSCAT? Where did these numbers come from, and why was no uncertainty being attached to them?

Since QuikSCAT data became available, starting in 1999, average track errors for 48-hour and 72-hour forecasts have been reduced by 43 miles and 62 miles respectively. Fully one quarter of this improvement was being attributed by Proenza to QuikSCAT. This was an extraordinary performance increase to attribute to one satellite, and seemed doubtful.

We find out where the QuikSCAT numbers came from
In mid-June, Margie Kieper and I asked Proenza to comment on how he got his QuikSCAT numbers. He cited an unpublished study, "A Two Season Impact Study of Four Satellite Data Types and Rawinsonde Data in the NCEP Global Data Assimilation System", by Tom H. Zapotocny, James A. Jung, John F. LeMarshall and Russ E. Treadon. I contacted one of the authors, who informed me that the study was submitted for publication on January 26, 2007, and accepted for publication in the journal Weather and Forecasting on May 23, 2007. It will probably appear in the October-November time frame, according to the publisher. This raises an immediate problem, since only a privileged few are able to read unpublished research. This limits the possibilities for an informed debate on the issue, and basing important policy decisions on unpublished research is thus normally to be avoided. However, making accurate hurricane forecasts is important enough that such considerations can be excused. Proenza didn't give me any details on the study, other than the fact that QuikSCAT data improved 72-hour and 48-hour hurricane track forecasts by 16% and 10% respectively, for a select group of storms from the 2003 hurricane season. One of the authors graciously sent me a copy of the study, though, and after reading it, I had these observations:

1). The study looked at a very limited number of cases over a six-week period during 2003--only 19 cases were available for 72 hour forecasts. The 19 cases were not 19 storms, just 19 separate forecasts from the 4 hurricanes and 2 tropical storms that occurred during the 6-week study period. This sample is too small to draw definitive conclusions about the impact of the QuikSCAT on tropical cyclone forecasts. The two longest-lived storms during the test period were Fabian and Isabel, storms that spent the majority of their lifetimes far away from land. Since the quality of the observing network increases close to land, particulary when reconnaissance data from the Hurricane Hunters is available, it is reasonable to conclude that the impact of the QuikSCAT data for storms within 72 hours of landfall would be less than for the sample as a whole. The study was not primarily designed to study tropical cyclone track accuracy, so there was no separation out of the cases we really care about--storms 72 hours or less from landfall.

2). The study was done with only one model, the GFS. NHC official forecasts make use of several models, including the GFDL, UKMET, NOGAPS and ECMWF. Consequently, a change in the accuracy of a single model will have only a partial effect on NHC official forecast accuracy. As far as I know, there have not been studies done of the impact of QuikSCAT on tropical cyclone forecasts in the GFDL, UKMET or the ECMWF models. Past studies on the impact of dropsonde data from the Hurricane Hunters, however, show that the GFDL is less sensitive to these data than the GFS is.

3). When I attended the AMS hurricane conference in May 2006 in Monterey, I came across a poster presentation by Dr. Jim Goerss that evaluated the impact of QuikSCAT on the NOGAPS model. His study was far more comprehensive, and included 12 hurricanes, 5 typhoons, and 7 tropical storms from a 6-week period in 2004. The number of cases was 212 at 72 hours, eleven times as many as the study Proenza cites. Dr. Goerss found that QuikSCAT probably improved 24-hour track forecasts by 2.5% (90% confidence of this), but at all other forecast times (48, 72, 96, and 120 hours), QuikSCAT had no statistically significant effect (i.e., zero effect).

It is hard to compare the results from these two studies, since they used two different data assimilation systems. We do not know if they used all the data, or how they treated the vertical impact of the data. The uncertainties are high, and Proenza's simple statement that QuikSCAT data improves hurricane tracks forecasts by 10% and 16% is unreasonable, without at least making mention that these numbers are highly uncertain.

I believe that NHC official forecasts for landfalling storms in the Atlantic would not be significantly affected by the loss of the QuikSCAT satellite. I can't think of a hurricane scientist out there who would defend using a study with only 19 cases that didn't focus on landfalling storms, to make the case Proenza is making--particularly in light of the data from the unpublished Goerss study showing no effect of QuikSCAT data on NOGAPS model tropical cyclone track errors. Proenza should have at least attached some measure of uncertainty to his numbers, which he did not.

One could argue that the study cited by Proenza has undergone peer review, and is thus the only scientific study one can use to make arguments on QuikSCAT's effectiveness. The Goerss study has not been published in a journal, and has not undergone peer review. However, Proenza was making his QuikSCAT accuracy arguments in March, two months before the Zapotocny study he cited had been accepted for publication.

QuikSCAT misconceptions
The numbers pushed by Proenza have led to some potentially serious misconceptions about QuikSCAT. The Congressional Record has this to say about QuikSCAT:

"A single plane gathering data is like a tiny fishing line collecting data only along the single strand of the line. The satellite, on the other hand, provides rich, detailed data horizontally from one side of the storm to the other side, and vertically, from the ocean surface to the top of the storms swirling winds. The QuikSCAT is like a detailed MRI."

Well, QuikSCAT is not like an MRI, it just measures the ocean surface winds. In a letter written by Representatives Melancon and Klein in support of H.R. 2531, there are comments that data from the reconnaissance aircraft are inferior to the data from the QuikSCAT:

"Short-term options for replacing QuikSCAT include hurricane hunter aircraft, buoys, and foreign satellites--all of which will collectively produce inferior data."

There is not a hurricane forecaster anywhere that would trade hurricane hunter data for QuikSCAT. Lawmakers may start cutting aircraft reconnaissance with misconceptions like this. That would be a disaster.

I would hate to lose the QuikSCAT satellite, and have been calling for a replacement since before Mr. Proenza came on the job. QuickSCAT data is invaluable in identifying weak systems and in defining storm structure, particularly of outer wind radii of 34 knots and 50 knots. This is particularly true outside of the Atlantic, where there are no Hurricane Hunter flights, and in the Atlantic beyond where the Hurricane Hunters can reach. Track forecasts for tropical cyclones in the Pacific and Indian Oceans may benefit from QuikSCAT data, since Hurricane Hunter information is not available. QuikSCAT also helps identify when a tropical depression or tropical storm is intensifying.

Besides hurricanes, the QuickSCAT data is invaluable to the Ocean Prediction Center, which now issues hurricane force wind warnings for extratropical storms in the Atlantic and Pacific. Search and rescue missions, and the U.S. Navy also greatly benefit from QuikSCAT. QuikSCAT should be replaced, but not due to a rush knee-jerk reaction that will get us a replacement with old technology. NHC needs a "next-generation" scatterometer, one that has greatly improved capabilities to help tackle the structure and intensity problem. We should take our time, and deal with a gap in coverage, if it gets us an instrument that has higher resolution, higher saturation speed, and is not adversely affected by rain. Such a gap would not put the public at risk.

It greatly troubles me that the most visible and admired member of my profession has failed to use good science in his arguments for funding a replacement of the QuikSCAT satellite. The Director of the National Hurricane Center needs to be an able politician and good communicator, but being truthful with the science is a fundamental requirement of the job as well. Mr. Proenza has misrepresented the science on the QuikSCAT issue, and no longer has my support as director of the National Hurricane Center.

Other critical concerns--lost in the hubbub?
We strongly support many of the valid concerns Proenza has raised. Of particular concern are the slashing of critical research funding for the Joint Hurricane Testbed (JHT) from $1.7 million to $1 million, and the lack of adequate yearly increases to the National Hurricane Center budget. Both of these important concerns still remain to be addressed; they were quickly overshadowed by a frantic campaign by lawmakers to fund a new QuikSCAT satellite. The JHT provides the means for promising research to be tested in the NHC operational environment, usually resulting in a successful transition to an operational product at NHC. This program has been extremely successful, and its budget should have been increased, not slashed. As hurricane activity has increased dramatically over the last twelve years, NHC's budget should have increased accordingly, but it did not.

Proenza also raised legitimate concerns about NOAA's effort to promote their "Corporate Identity" by renaming the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service. The new organizations would be called the "NOAA Hurricane Center" and the "NOAA Weather Service". He also justly complained about NOAA's plan to spend between $1.5 million and $4 million on a "bogus" 200-year NOAA anniversary celebration.

While wanting to take a neutral stand as to whether to call for Proenza's dismissal, Senior NHC Hurricane Specialist Lixion Avila clearly shares the concerns that have been put forth by the other senior forecasters Richard Pasch, James Franklin, and Richard Knabb, and former director Max Mayfield. Avila noted, "If I [was] the director of the hurricane center, I would not spend my time fighting for QuikSCAT--I would be fighting to make sure that the reconnaissance planes are always there." That leaves a vacationing Jack Beven as the only senior hurricane forecaster to not comment publicly on the issue. Max Mayfield has refrained from making public comments on the deteriorating situation these past months, but all of his comments in the Miami Herald article lend support for the hurricane forecast staff. Given his previous experience in the position of NHC Director and his successful tenure, his feedback counts tremendously.

With the busiest part of hurricane season just a few weeks away, expect a decision on Bill Proenza's tenure to be made soon.

Jeff Masters and Margie Kieper

Having lost the support of most of his senior forecasters, and having misrepresented the science on the importance of the QuikSCAT satellite on hurricane forecasts, it would be best for Mr. Proenza to step down as director of the National Hurricane Center.

--Jeff Masters

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1802. weatherboykris 02:39 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Look at the comments at the bottom of the page.It astounds me how many people misunderstand what is truly going on with this situation...it goes beyond just the Quikscat itself.
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1804. tornadodude 02:40 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
hey guys another tornado is here lol
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1806. Tazmanian 02:41 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
weatherboykris so is bill on the way out??
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1807. tornadofan 02:42 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Hi T-dude. nice name.
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1808. weatherboykris 02:43 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Yeah Taz....even when it was just 3-5 forecasters calling for it it seemed likely,but with half of his staff wanting him out,possibly more...I see no way he stays.
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1810. tornadofan 02:44 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Which one of the NHC staffers will take over for Bill - Avila? Franklin?
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1811. NorthxCakalaky 02:44 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
J.P What did you say the occurance of time about the min and max?Is it different from the answer?
1812. Patrap 02:44 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
read this...Link
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1813. weatherboykris 02:45 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Probably one of them...I don't think they did this as a power bid though.Any one of them could've had the job last December. Dr. Masters said they turned it down then.
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1814. Patrap 02:45 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Sorry...didnt read back. Im still choking on my tounge over this
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1815. tornadodude 02:46 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
you too tornado fan!
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1816. tornadofan 02:46 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Good link Pat.
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1817. tornadodude 02:47 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
On this day in weather history...
1928 -- Hailstones generally around 5 inches in diameter fell on Potter, Nebraska. One stone was 17 inches in circumference and weighed a pound and a half. (Flora, Hailstorms of the United States, 1956)

1972 -- South Bend's coolest July temperature: 44°.

1994 -- A single bolt of lightning injured 22 people in Eaton County, Michigan. The bolt struck a lake and traveled along the water to the beach that was full of people.

1997 -- One inch diameter hail fell on southern Elkhart County, accompanied by 60mph winds.

1999 -- 58mph winds reported at Van Wert and three miles northeast of Cairo (Allen County, Ohio). Part of a garage roof was blown off a mile and a half south of Glandorf (Putnam County). Nickel sized hail fell on Kalida (Putnam County).

2003 -- Severe storms were widespread throughout the area. Hail larger than baseballs struck the north side of South Bend. Baseball sized hail was reported at Royal Center (Cass County Indiana). Homes were evacuated due to flash flooding along the Tippecanoe River in Monterey (Pulaski County). Up to two feet of water was over the roads in Chalmers (White County). Little Monon Creek was three feet over its banks three miles northeast of Monon (White County). Water a foot deep stranded a car on Main Street in Bluffton. Water was a foot deep in Huntington as well. Flash flooding closed roads in Berne (Adams County), and closed IN 119 in Geneva (Adams County). Flooding closed roads around Peru and Willshire (Van Wert County). Water was a foot deep on US 24 two miles north of Wabash causing people to abandon their cars.


nws
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1818. BahaHurican 02:50 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Do you use spell check on your blog?

In a word?

No.
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1819. sporteguy03 02:51 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
What does Jack Beven think? The lone hurricane forecaster left?
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1820. NorthxCakalaky 02:52 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Posted By: jphurricane2006 at 2:31 AM GMT on July 06, 2007.

diurnal min occurs at night right before sunset

diurnal max occurs in the morning right before sunrise

Hey check your answer on the min part of the test.
1821. weatherboykris 02:52 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
He's on vacation--Patrap,you don't like it?I can't say I blame them,but either way it's shocking that such a thing is taking place at such a respected center.
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1822. Eyewall911 02:54 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
You tornado guys crack me up!!
1823. sporteguy03 02:56 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Do you think he has a say in it? Jack Beven he might go back to the NHC to a new director?
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1825. NorthxCakalaky 02:57 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
A tropical wave, with an area of low pressure aloft, in the central Atlantic Ocean is moving westward toward the Leeward Islands.

The convective thunderstorms activity with this feature continues to wax and wane but no significant developemnt is anticipated.

Elsewhere, an are of low presssure near the Florida Peninsula has created unsettled conditions around the east coast of Florida and the Bahamas but this is a non-tropical feature.

That is from www.weather.com
1826. NorthxCakalaky 02:59 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
developemnt O MY GOD. The weather channel misstyped a word!!
1828. NorthxCakalaky 03:01 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
proenza stuff? Im lost, I know he is a weather person.What did he do wrong?
1829. NorthxCakalaky 03:03 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
I didnt read the posts about him.Just saw his name and the word getting fired here and there.
1832. moonlightcowboy 03:05 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Posted By: TheCaneWhisperer at 2:04 AM GMT on July 06, 2007.
Just a little note on 96L! There isn't upper level anything associated with this area. Mid-Level shear map may put things in perspective, the circulation to the NE of the LLC is the sheared mid-level. Kind of like a weak tornado that snakes down to the surface. IMO upper level shear maps are useless for 96L right now, mid-levels will not allow it to produce the high cloud tops.


...interesting Cane! That being the case I'd like to make a couple of observations and ask a couple of questions.

Okay, according to your observation:

1. upper level shear doesn't mean anything as there's no ulc to shear
2. mid-levels are getting sheared, but still firing and won't allow upper level cloud tops
3. llc though exposed, open and ragged still has circulation and steadily moving w, wnw

Assuming that dry air/dust is prohibitive to further development, how is 96L keeping its identity?

a. dry air/dust, shear is not at the same level as the llc.
b. 96L is generating enough moisture from the surface and keeping dry air/dust from mortally wounding the llc
c. moisture at the mid-levels is helping shield and keep dry air/dust away from the llc

--Can this conclusion be drawn?

96L, without low level shear, is able to produce a re-generating environment for itself.

If it is able to do this long enough while on its trek west, wnw (along with the help of other clouds firing moisture a bit further west from the south--dust receding there currently), 96L could enter the e Caribbean, possibly shear, dust free and strengthen.

NOW, that's a long shot I know. And, a naked swirl may absolutely just fizzle; but, it hasn't yet!!!

--okay, now everyone laugh...lol!!!
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1835. IKE 03:13 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
You might as well start a fresh blog Dr. M...

This hurricane season...like a bad marriage.
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1837. LaHurricane87 03:16 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
JP please add me to your petition.
1841. LaHurricane87 03:19 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
yes JP I have the info.
1843. IKE 03:19 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Just pisses me off about the NHC losing it's head man...never seen that before. He probably deserved it...but, that doesn't look good. Issues with the government having a walk through of the NHC...unannounced.

A season that seems too much like 2006. I think we all got spoiled because of 2005...hate that folks got uprooted and died...but if you like following the tropics...not much to follow but problems at the NHC...
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1844. BahaHurican 03:20 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Hmmm. . ..

Evening all. Here is an interesting comment posted after that latest Herald story on Proenza.

Bill Proenza is the former Director of the Southern Region of the NWS. He did not agree with the CONops plan that NWS leaders were trying to push through that would have consolidated forecast offices around the country and led to decreased forecast accuracy. He continuously spoke up against this plan, and also against the now popular NWS argument that forecast consistency between offices is more important than forecast accuracy. Bill strongly believed in the accuracy that local offices could supply, even if that accuracy came at the expense of disagreeing with a neighboring office along the offices' borders. Because Bill believed and spoke out about these issues, he was removed from the position he would have liked to remain in and re-assigned to be NHC Director. NWS leaders figured this would shut Bill up and now they could go full speed ahead with CONops, and consistency/collaboration over accuracy. However, they underestimated Bill. He went to NHC, where he really didn't want to go in the first place, and started speaking out about other issues that are real, and that has caused this mess. NWS leaders were forced out and CONops has now been cancelled, so Bill won that battle thank goodness. The accuracy vs. consistency issue remains undecided...some of us came into the NWS to actually forecast and not just draw pretty pictures that look good and consistent despite being less accurate. We hope that we are able to continue to do that and need someone like Bill to stand up for us like he did in the past as SR Director. This petition sounds like BS to me, and I am rapidly losing respect for those forecasters who have signed it. I would gladly take Bill back as SR Director. I nominate Bill Proenza for NOAA team member of the month!

Posted by: Go Bill Go!

7/5/2007 10:20 PM


This one is a pretty savvy comment compared to some of the others there. It seems this person is trying to rebuild Proenza's reputation as a whistleblower (read troublemaker) while giving a potential sour grapes out (I never wanted to come here in the first place).

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1846. Patrap 03:22 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Chris Mooney is from New Orleans.His book is excellent. His family lost a lot in Katrina. His folks came to D. C . for refuge after the storm.
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1847. IKE 03:25 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Reminds me of another thing that pisses me off. The levis in NO....there STILL not strong enough to sustain a cat 4 or 5 hurricane. There's our govt. not doing their job to protect their own.
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1850. NorthxCakalaky 03:31 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
WOW open this link.. You cant believe what the weather channel said about 96L.( read above the viedo screan )Link
1851. IKE 03:34 AM GMT del 06 Luglio 2007    
Yeah it is...why were spending billions a month refereeing a civil war in Iraq with soldiers dying and getting disabled.

Oh yeah...the fence on the border that hasn't been built.

A government that won't pay me social security disability for kidney failure, because I make too much money each month, but I still have to pay in BOTH halves of the tax because I'm self-employed. The cut-off limit for drawing social security is... $860 a month income.
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