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Quiet tropics; update on Bill Proenza's doings
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 02:43 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2007 +4
The tropical Atlantic is quiet today. The low pressure system over northern Florida that brought rain to the state Thursday has moved out to sea and weakened. Wind shear is high over this low, sea surface temperatures beneath it are cool, and I don't expect any development. None of the computer models are showing any tropical development over the next week. Our best chance of a new threat area to watch may not occur until the next strong cold front pushes off the U.S. East Coast. The long range GFS model forecast expects this to happen around Saturday June 30.

Bill Proenza news
In the absence of much to talk about in the tropics, we can always talk about the latest on new NHC director Bill Proenza. The View from the Surface blog is keeping up with the latest. Last night, I listened in to Proenza's comments on the Barometer Bob Show, an Internet radio show. I asked him where he got his numbers of 16% and 10% improvement for 72-hour and 49-hour hurricane track forecasts made using QuikSCAT satellite data (his boss, acting NWS director Mary Glackin, said "I'm not willing to stand by those numbers.") Proenza cited a study done of hurricane tracks from 2003 that showed these improvements, and Margie Kieper is working on getting a copy of this study for the View From the Surface blog. Margie came across a 2006 study which shows that for one storm studied (Hurricane Cindy of 1999), inclusion of QuikSCAT data improved track forecasts at 24 hours and 48 hours by 30-50% (Figure 1). There is also a 2007 study which showed improvements of 25%-50% for 24 hour - 48 hour model track forecasts of 2002's Hurricane Isidore using QuikSCAT data vs. no QuikSCAT data (Figure 2). We'll have more on the ongoing Bill Proenza hullaballo next week, with more info on just how important QuikSCAT is to hurricane forecasting.


Figure 1. Forecast error in the track of Hurricane Cindy (1999) with and without using QuikSCAT data. Image credit: NOAA. Data taken from the 2006 paper, The use of remotely sensed data and innovative modeling to improve hurricane prediction, by Robert Atlas, O. Reale, B-W. Shen, and S-J. Lin.


Figure 2. Forecast error in the track of Hurricane Isidore (2002) with and without using QuikSCAT data. Image credit: American Meteorological Society, "The Impact of Assimilating SSM/I and QuikSCAT Satellite Winds on Hurricane Isidore Simulations", by Shu-Hua Chen. Monthly Weather Review 135, issue 2, pp 549-566, February 2007.

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401. tropicfreak 08:28 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
can someone answer my question?
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402. watchinwxnwpb 08:31 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Sorry tropic I have no idea, but you might try to direct the question to someone specific. Pat or MichaelStl usually give an answer with facts to back them up.
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403. nash28 08:31 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Hey all. Here for a few minutes. Trying to stop sweating. Hotter than the 4th ring of hell in Tampa today. Yard work sucks on days like these.
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404. pottery2 08:31 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
I think not, Tropicfreak. If it had a chance to do anything, these guys would be on it like hungry cats to a sardine.
405. watchinwxnwpb 08:33 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Hadn't thought about it that way TROPIC. You certainly are correct! lol
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408. pottery2 08:41 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
That comment from Nash caused me to open another beer, in sympathy.
409. dearmas 08:45 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Nash, tampa here too. Work at Baycare too
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410. pottery2 08:47 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
There was this guy who's 2 friends went away. Each day he would go to the bar, and order 3 beers, one for him, one each for his friends. One day he went to the bar and ordered 2 beers. The barman noticed this, and his apparent distress, said " hey, did one of your friends pass on ?' " No, " he said, " I stopped drinkin' "
411. kmanislander 08:51 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
There was a discussion earlier today that implied the dust was really not a problem for waves coming off Africa. Take a look at this. The wave is shaping itself around the dust !
It will be interesting to see if the dust suppresses the wave or whether it will survive to travel W

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412. kmanislander 08:52 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Hey Pottery

Quiet weekend in T&T ??
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413. pottery2 08:53 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Hi Kman. The discussion on that also had 2 good links on the subject. Go back and check them if you have not yet.
415. pottery2 08:55 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Yeah Kman, quiet. But you know this place can get real un-quiet at the drop of a hat..........
416. kmanislander 08:55 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Yeah I did read it. Sounds like the jury is still out on the subject. The conclusion seemed to be that it depended on what the atmosphere was doing at the relevant time ( ie. other factors at play )
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417. pottery2 09:02 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Kman, True indeed. I think at the end of the day, the research will probably show that the influence of the SAL is stronger than it is credited for. There is an understandable caution, on the part of everyone, while info. comes in, and before absolute conclusions can be made.
In a couple of years maybe.
419. kmanislander 09:06 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Pottery, just from looking at the SAL graphic it would certainly appear that the dust has adversely affected the wave.
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420. kmanislander 09:09 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Got a little gardening to do. BBL
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422. pottery2 09:11 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Kman. I agree. Seems obvious to me too. The thing is, until you have sat under one of these dust episodes, you cant begin to appreciate how much dust is involved. the equivalent of a million cu. yds. of silica gel ??
Watching a sat. image does not do it justice man.
424. TheCaneWhisperer 09:38 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
I noticed some say how hot is was in West Palm today, ugg I agree! I stumbled across this last week, kinda interesting.

10 hottest cities
Average annual temperature, F
1. Key West, Florida 77.7
2. Miami, Florida 75.6
3. W Palm Beach, Florida 74.6
4. Ft. Myers, Florida 73.9
5. Yuma, Florida 73.9
6. Brownsville, Texas 73.6
7. Orlando, Florida 72.4
8. Vero Beach, Florida 72.4
9. Corpus Christi, Tx 72.1
10. Tampa, Florida 72.0

FULL LISTINGS HERE!
427. Melagoo 09:53 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Manitoba gets hit by tornados one or more were F4

mantorn
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429. lightning10 09:58 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Zzzzzzz

no dramatic changes through the remainder of
the week into next weekend. An upper low will remain mostly in place
off the Washington/or coast, maintaining weak cyclonic flow over Southern
California. Minor day to day temperature fluctuations, mainly as a
result of slight changes in the low level inversion height and onshore
pressure gradients. But overall temperatures will be at or slightly above
normal.
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430. Skyepony (Mod) 10:04 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
tropicfreak~ I've been watching that S TX/MEX bit of weather for 24 hrs or so now (it's no afternoon storm), with mild intrest, in the face of not much else interesting. Conditions (shear comparision) aren't all that great, what catches my eye is that all the models keep calling for it to go north. According to them yesterday this should be way north by now & it keeps going SE. Which by looking at the satalite loops I'd expect it to keep doing. Everything from that area, for the better part of a month has avoided the gulf like the plague. A pattern change? We'll see...
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431. hurricane23 10:04 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Good afternoon..

Ive made some custom satellite images for the state of florida on my website.Feel free to check them out.

Scroll down to the bottom of the page.

Adrian's Satellite images
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435. WPBHurricane05 10:29 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
From the NWS in Miami:

A tropical wave between 40 and 50 west is still forecast to come around the periphery of the middle Atlantic ridge and the northern part of the wave is forecast to approach South Florida on Tuesday and bring an increase in showers and thunderstorms Tuesday and Wednesday. The extended guidance continues to suggest this scenario.

OK so lets look at the satellite image of this Central Atlantic wave between 40W and 50W



Am I missing something?
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437. CrazyC83 10:46 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Yep, there was an F4 tornado in Elie, Manitoba (a small farm village about 20 miles west of Winnipeg) No one was injured, thankfully. There were several other tornadoes as well, and a significant threat exists today (probably would be Moderate Risk if the SPC extended up there). http://twister.sbs.ohio-state.edu/text/canada/AWCN11.CWWG
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443. Patrap 10:58 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
GFSx...10day Link
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445. hurricane91 11:19 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
Station FMRF1 - 8725520 - Fort Myers, FL

reports a 65 kts(75 mph) wind gust, kind of funny since i live around ft.myers and been clear and nice all day
448. Patrap 11:37 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
GOM Archive SST's from Ivan, Rita and Katrina with Tracks
Link
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449. Melagoo 11:39 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
CrazyC83 ... with the severe weather on the continent we should be following that a lot closer than the very uneventful Atlantic storm conditions.
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450. sporteguy03 11:39 PM GMT del 23 Giugno 2007    
JP,
Grilling in Seminole County?
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