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Quiet tropics; update on Bill Proenza's doings
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 02:43 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2007 +4
The tropical Atlantic is quiet today. The low pressure system over northern Florida that brought rain to the state Thursday has moved out to sea and weakened. Wind shear is high over this low, sea surface temperatures beneath it are cool, and I don't expect any development. None of the computer models are showing any tropical development over the next week. Our best chance of a new threat area to watch may not occur until the next strong cold front pushes off the U.S. East Coast. The long range GFS model forecast expects this to happen around Saturday June 30.

Bill Proenza news
In the absence of much to talk about in the tropics, we can always talk about the latest on new NHC director Bill Proenza. The View from the Surface blog is keeping up with the latest. Last night, I listened in to Proenza's comments on the Barometer Bob Show, an Internet radio show. I asked him where he got his numbers of 16% and 10% improvement for 72-hour and 49-hour hurricane track forecasts made using QuikSCAT satellite data (his boss, acting NWS director Mary Glackin, said "I'm not willing to stand by those numbers.") Proenza cited a study done of hurricane tracks from 2003 that showed these improvements, and Margie Kieper is working on getting a copy of this study for the View From the Surface blog. Margie came across a 2006 study which shows that for one storm studied (Hurricane Cindy of 1999), inclusion of QuikSCAT data improved track forecasts at 24 hours and 48 hours by 30-50% (Figure 1). There is also a 2007 study which showed improvements of 25%-50% for 24 hour - 48 hour model track forecasts of 2002's Hurricane Isidore using QuikSCAT data vs. no QuikSCAT data (Figure 2). We'll have more on the ongoing Bill Proenza hullaballo next week, with more info on just how important QuikSCAT is to hurricane forecasting.


Figure 1. Forecast error in the track of Hurricane Cindy (1999) with and without using QuikSCAT data. Image credit: NOAA. Data taken from the 2006 paper, The use of remotely sensed data and innovative modeling to improve hurricane prediction, by Robert Atlas, O. Reale, B-W. Shen, and S-J. Lin.


Figure 2. Forecast error in the track of Hurricane Isidore (2002) with and without using QuikSCAT data. Image credit: American Meteorological Society, "The Impact of Assimilating SSM/I and QuikSCAT Satellite Winds on Hurricane Isidore Simulations", by Shu-Hua Chen. Monthly Weather Review 135, issue 2, pp 549-566, February 2007.

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551. Patrap 12:22 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
NORTH ATLANTIC IMAGERY
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552. thelmores 01:24 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    



devoid of any significant convection, naked swirl, but definitely fun to watch! :)

swirly things get my attention! LOL
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553. Rainman32 01:42 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Posted By: Randyman at 8:17 AM EDT on June 24, 2007.

the moisture from Tropical Disturbance 12 in the western Caribbean Sea


Uhhhmmm.. have I missed the last dozen TD's?
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554. WPBHurricane05 01:58 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Thats a disturbance not a depression. They number depressions for historical references I think.
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555. StormJunkie 02:04 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Morning all ☺

Good to see ya thel. Nice swirl you got there.

Can not believe we do not have the GHCC back yet. That hurts...
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556. Rainman32 02:04 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Thanks WPB! didn't know that nor had I ever noticed the reference before
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557. redagainPatti 02:17 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
thelmores,
swirly things get my attention too but when I try to bring up the area you are talking about, I only see high level clouds moving one way and some very low clouds moving the other way....in short.. somethings just crossing paths at different levels.. or it seems to me..
so.. NO swirly can I see but what you drew in there.
update later..oops.. my bad.. NOW i see more swirly there..
hummmmmmmmmm
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558. bappit 02:22 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
That's the same low that was over by the coast. Supposedly moving out to sea, waters are cool. Lots of shear. At least that was true a couple days of ago.
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560. bappit 02:24 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
I'll second that.
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570. nash28 02:43 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Guys, be happy it is June and quiet. The way the pattern is beginning to take shape, we may be in for an ugly August-September.
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571. hurricane23 02:44 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
The cooling that has occurred over the last week along the equator in the Pacific amazes me (I put this in an animation to make it easier to compare):

STL and you think this will amount to what?
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575. nash28 02:52 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
What it may amount to 23 is that there has been a dramatic rise in the SOI, which is 10+. The equatorial Pacific is cooling rapidly, which is a sign of La Nina taking shape. Weaker trade winds across the ATL.
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578. nash28 02:59 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Great explanation STL. The data pretty much points to a reversal of last season. Doesn't automatically mean a ton of storms, but it will make conditions ripe for them to form.
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579. hurricane23 03:00 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
What iam watching closely is sst's across the atlantic like the MDR region which is only running slightly above normal in most areas.Infact Most of the atlantic is well below the very warm values we have seen in the last 2- 3 hurricane seasons.

All this leads me to think that the UKMET office and CPC are on to something and we indeed may not see as an active season as thought before.Adrian
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580. Stormchaser2007 03:02 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Ive just noticed that a nice pool of warm water has just reached in the GOM, which wasnt there a few days ago.
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583. 1900hurricane 03:05 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Hey y'all!
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586. Stormchaser2007 03:08 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Hey 1900:)
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588. pottery2 03:12 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Good Morning. Nice cloud cover over Trinidad now. Humidity still low at 66. Pres. 1013 steady. Some distant rumblings to the deep south of me .Looking forward to being innundated !
589. hurricane23 03:12 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Posted By: texascanecaster1 at 11:04 AM EDT on June 24, 2007. (hide)
hmm. Could be adrian however ssts have been warming up quickly. They could still get to be as high if not higher than 05.

Higher then 2005...Not a chance the SST'S that were in place in 2005 were incredible.

gg
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591. hurricane23 03:16 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
The heat potential was an amazing sight to see in 2005.

ssts
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592. pottery2 03:28 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Guyana weather now
Thunderstorms and rain
temp 75
press 1014
593. catastropheadjuster 03:28 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
H23 what does it look like right know The GOM?
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594. Skyepony (Mod) 03:34 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Doldrums raise SST about faster than anything..

current doldrums...
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595. TheRingo 03:36 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
once the trade winds decrease in the atlantic you will see surface temps climbing. Still a ways to go until the meat of the season.
596. WPBHurricane05 03:37 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Current heat potential Link
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598. WPBHurricane05 03:39 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
2006 Heat potential Link
2005 Heat potential Link
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599. Skyepony (Mod) 03:40 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
Trolling the weather news today death tolls were pretty high in Pakastan~ over 200 due to gales & thunderstorms. India~ over 120 with that noname storm. China is having a lotta problems around the 3 gorges dam with record rain. Nasa had just released a study how that monstrosity has changed the local climate there. Articles are in my blog.
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600. stormkat 03:41 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
guys these strong waves coming off the coast of africa will fizzle when it hits the cooler water...its just not time guys and most of the waves are still below 10 degrees...i would give this area another 6 weeks....the shear is very strong coming off of s america and if anything tried to develop near the winward islands it would be ripped apart...guys i can be sure when i say this we are in for a slow late hurricane season for 2007..once again the experts if you want to call them that blew it again...no way their will be 23 storms this year...they are lucky if we have 9...also about lanina whoever said it was strong its not guys its a very week la nina and i dont think it will have much to do with our hurricane season this year...i will be back on if anything changes guys but i just dont see this pattern moving out anytime soon...we are safe through at least mid july is the way i see it now..the shear will not slacken up anytime soon....anyone on here especially the newbies if you have any questions feel free to email me and i will be glad to answer them for you...StormKat
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601. catastropheadjuster 03:43 PM GMT del 24 Giugno 2007    
WPBHurricane05: Thank you for posting that.
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