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Will TD 10 rise again?
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 03:38 PM GMT del 23 Agosto 2005 +0
The remains of TD 10 continue to fester over the Bahama Islands, and the clouds have taken on that decidedly messy pattern associated with a tropical depression in the formative stages. An exposed low level circulation center is apparent in both visible satellite imagery and winds from the Quikscat satellite. The circulation was north of eastern Cuba and south of the central Bahama Islands, near 22.5N, 76W at 11am EDT. Deep convection is all east of the low level circulation center, and Quickscat winds as high as 30 knots were measured in this area. Observation stations in the vicinity are sparse, and I have not yet seen any pressure falls in those stations close to the system.

The environment surrounding the system is good but not ideal. Water temperatures are quite warm--about 29C, and closer to 31C near the western Bahamas. However, wind shear levels have been increasing somewhat over the past 12 hours and are about 10 - 15 knots (5 -10 knots would be much better.) A small upper-level low just north of the system may act bring some dry air into the system and hamper any upper-level outflow that tries to develop. Another possible problem is the presence of the large landmass of Cuba to the south, which may disrupt the system's circulation if it tracks more westerly. I expect the storm to continue to torment us by very slowly continuing to organize as it moves towards Florida.


The system appears to be tracking west-northwest at a very slow 5 to 10 mph, and the latest "early guidance" shows the storm moving more northwesterly towards Florida over the next few days. However, steering currents are weak and more westerly motion towards Cuba or the Straights of Florida would not be a surprise. Some of the computer models such as the Canadian model strengthen the system into a hurricane over the Gulf of Mexico later in the week. Some very warm water (32C, or almost 90F) lies off the west coast of Florida that model believes will fuel the storm into a hurricane. The GFS model makes the system a weak tropical storm that moves over Florida by Friday, then keeps the system a weak tropical storm as it recurves past the Carolinas. If the system does become a tropical storm, it is unlikely the upper level winds will allow intensification into a hurricane for at least the next three days. By that time, it's anybody's guess what might happen. One thing is for sure--the remains of TD 10 will be a around for a lot longer, they're going nowhere very fast. I expect I'll still be talking about this system next week!

A Hurricane Hunter aircraft is scheduled to visit the remains of TD 10 at 5pm this afternoon to see if a new tropical depression has formed. If so, it will be interesting to see if they call it TD 10 again, since the NHC discussions have been refering to this system as "possibly the remnants of TD 10".

African Tropical Waves
The large tropical wave 700 miles west of the Cape Verde Islands has gained some deep convection on its east side since yesterday, but has struggled to maintain its convection in the face of some increasing wind shear this morning. The system is also battling some dry air to its norhtwest that is getting entrained into the center. This system could still become a depression in a day or two as it moves west to west-northwest. Global models forecast that this storm will recurve before it threatens any land.
Jeff Masters
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701. hurricane79 07:33 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
She has jumped to 24N 76W as her LLC
702. Zeenster 07:34 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
If you zoom in on the last frame in this water vapor loop, you will see a nasty little pocket of dry air near the LLC. That might just be what is bothering our TD at the moment. If that little pocket were to break up, the outflow boundary looks like it can push the rest of the dry air far enough out to keep it away from the center... Link
703. lefty420 07:35 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
will wait for the microwave data to determine the cnter but yhats pretty much where the recon flight deternined the center to be
704. hurricane79 07:37 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
The amazing thing about systems at this stage is their ability to reform underneath the area of lowest pressure...i.e, the current convection developed at 24N 76W. There is a slight chance that I may be correct on this one..
705. lefty420 07:41 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
while the dry air might be limiting the convection on the western side the major problem is that this is classic formation. after re-orgnising there is always a lull and sometimes a drop in itensity, same concept of a eye wall replacement cycle. she will be itensifying after the lul steadily until she makes land fall as jose did. and while there is dry air, its nowhere near as dry as some of the air further away so its not a mjor hinderance. i tried to tell yall this is what was going to happen. u can already see the build back of deepconvection in the cdo. this is just how these storms operate
706. lefty420 07:42 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
ur center location is pretty much the center location given in the vortex message by the recon flight
707. hurricane79 07:42 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
Lefty, I have no real doubts that this syetm will be near hurricane status Katrina by Friday, near the SE Florida Coast
708. lefty420 07:45 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
and thats exactly my forcast. i just stated it would have a 6-12 hr lull after reorginising and then since she would be orginisedmore like a cyclone she would be able to intensify more like some of us expect. we are about 6 hrs into the lull and should see a marked increase in the convection over the next 6 hrs. she will be a ts probly with the 11am update. all these things i stated at 10pm last night. sofar word for word its all happening like i said it would
709. lefty420 07:51 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
heres a good limk to the navy site showing the past 8-190 hrs and the nice blow up of deep cpnvection, i believe the next 6 hrs will be exciting as we watch the birth of this storm

Link
710. hurricane79 07:59 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
All the same for the 11 PM update with the exception of the storm a bit stronger that before and 40 NM North. I believe it to be Katrina by 5, 8 at the latest, and a sligth shift of the forecast further North, then slower late in the period.
711. raindancer 08:01 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
Tropical Wave between the Leeward Islands and the Virgin Islands appears to be getting a bit stronger... Something brewing there too?
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712. hurricane79 08:04 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
wouldn't doubt it raindancer. It wasn't even there 48 hours ago, but this time of year, with these conditions it is likely
713. lefty420 08:05 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
def something to watch
714. lefty420 08:06 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
and 79 i doubt by 5 but i could see by 8. she will be bubbling up over the next 6-12 hrs
715. hurricane79 08:12 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
Lefty, I have found the dVorak satellite to be invaluable throughout the course of this system, from TD 10 to now, try this link. It allows us to se nearly a visible image, at least a mock one.. Link
716. lefty420 08:15 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
thanks, thats one of the many windows i have open already lol
717. lefty420 08:17 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
79 u should know by now theres not to much more info availible i am not using lol
718. hurricane79 08:17 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
Then do you see the 70 NM jump that the Center made during the past 6 hours to the North? its approx at 24.5N 76.5W
719. lefty420 08:18 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
i feelme and you are probly the most aware if u will in this blog. atleast thats how i have felt from what i have seen
720. Zeenster 08:19 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
New recon guys...hello Katrina! Flight level winds of 45 kt. qualifies as a TS, so as I mentioned at the 2 am intermediate advisory, they'll upgrade the system at 5.Link
721. lefty420 08:19 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
dunno bout the center jumping yet. still wating for the microwave data to see whats going on inside the storm but i noted that, also u must know the nhc has stated their center location could be as much as 30nm off course so the jumo may be not that big after all. but yes i do see it
722. lefty420 08:20 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
coo; guess ur 5a, beat my 8am 79 lol
723. hurricane79 08:22 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
zeenster, that link didnt work
724. lefty420 08:23 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
just check the vortex message at the nhc website
725. Zeenster 08:23 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
Recon doesn't show that giant leap to the north...23.55 N, 76.18 W ... Guess the NHC was correct in not trusting their estimate...
726. hurricane79 08:23 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
lefty, I hope all those years at school helped in the 4 hours differenc of my prediction..LOL
727. lefty420 08:25 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
lol yeah
728. Zeenster 08:26 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
Rats. Try this one, then. Link
729. lefty420 08:26 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
u know i was agreeing with u but i need to have the data first lol thats how i work. i am pretty sure if i had a microwave sat img it would have shown a ts and would have been pushing for 5 as well but these damn sat can't ever seeem to pass over the storm
730. hurricane79 08:29 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
I'm blind, I still don't see the winds mentioned. The link I saw was fron 2 AM.
731. lefty420 08:32 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
click refrsh and it will refersh it, the nhc site is weird.

000
URNT12 KNHC 240609
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 24/05:49:00Z
B. 23 deg 47 min N
076 deg 11 min W
C. 925 mb 748 m
D. NA kt
E. deg nm
F. 070 deg 020 kt
G. 308 deg 071 nm
H. EXTRAP 1007 mb
I. 21 C/ 772 m
J. 22 C/ 773 m
K. 20 C/ NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 12345/ 9
O. 0.02 / 6 nm
P. AF307 0212A CYCLONE OB 10
MAX FL WIND 20 KT N QUAD 05:25:30 Z
SLP EXTRAP FROM 925 MB
BANDING E TO S ON RADAR


732. Zeenster 08:32 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
Hurricane 79 - try the one I posted a couple minutes ago. You will see the flight level winds at the bottom of the message. The time index says 07:39Z, so it's definitely a new one. It's just late and you're bleary-eyed...not blind, lol.
733. lefty420 08:32 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
sorry wrong vortex message


000
URNT12 KNHC 240756
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 24/07:39:30Z
B. 23 deg 55 min N
076 deg 18 min W
C. 925 mb 745 m
D. NA kt
E. deg nm
F. 128 deg 036 kt
G. 044 deg 097 nm
H. EXTRAP 1007 mb
I. 20 C/ 769 m
J. 21 C/ 768 m
K. 20 C/ NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 12345/ 9
O. 0.02 / 6 nm
P. AF307 0212A CYCLONE OB 14
MAX FL WIND 45 KT E QUAD 06:40:00 Z
MAX FL TEMP 22 C, 40 / 31NM
SLP EXTRAP FROM 925 MB


734. Dragoon 08:37 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
Not calling it Katrina yet.

5 AM is out.
735. hurricane79 08:38 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
Ok, I see the new strength they found. That must have been on their return flight? The re-fixed the center not too far from 2 hours before, on their outbound flight. Oh, well, I will wake up and see around 9 AM,,,,Thanks all!
736. lefty420 08:39 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
yea thought that might happen. they took off for the flght level and said it equates to 30 kts at the surface i guess, though 15 kts seems like quite a bit. so damn conservitive
737. hurricane79 08:41 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
ok lefty, it appears that 8 AM may be the right choice...I think I may make my track forecast after all now. (6Z should be out)
738. lefty420 08:43 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
yeah but watch, they will wait to 11am like i said after all, seems like something they would do, the crack heads down their lol
739. lefty420 08:44 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
just saw a report on the news that 50 percent of online users still use dsl. i can't see not having broadband lol
740. lefty420 08:45 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
iam sorry imeant dial up lol
741. Zeenster 08:47 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
well - where I live, my DSL package is HALF what a broadband package costs, and I'm a single mom on a budget, y'know??
742. Zeenster 08:48 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
By broadband, I mean cable-based like Road Runner...
743. hurricane79 08:49 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
I take that back, I want to wait until later in the morning to se more trends in the current track. The models are way too uncertain to make forecast tracks every 4 hours....
744. lefty420 08:49 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
sorry i meant dial-up,dsl is broadband
745. Zeenster 08:51 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
I'm sure there are places where you can't get broadband, aren't there? I know you can only get DSL in certain areas. Dial-up was such a pain in the south end. Still, I remember back when we thought getting on "Prodigy" was totally amazing, and we weren't fazed by the wait. Of course, we didn't know better....
746. lefty420 08:58 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
lolyeash
747. Zeenster 08:59 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
Well, I'm gonna grab a few zzz's so I can be ready to lay in a few groceries before I get all rained on and can't drive on the flooded roads around here. No big deal - Cape Coral will just get real wet with this one. :-) G'nite all - I'm off to Oz......
748. lefty420 09:01 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
i been wandering anyone know why there is a blackout everynight
749. aquak9 11:16 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
no post for 2 hours? everyone still asleep?
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750. goldenhine 11:18 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
hello im in nassau bahamas.its dead calm here no rain
751. subtropic 11:24 AM GMT del 24 Agosto 2005    
Good morning all. Lefty ... Satellites "blackout" every day due to a lack of solar energy. Actually an eclipse. They power themselves off until they are out of the eclipse and back into the sun's influence.
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