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Gulf of Mexico disturbance may develop; Chris a hurricane; record Duluth flooding
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 03:03 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012 +56
An area of low pressure and heavy thunderstorms entering the Southern Gulf of Mexico is bringing sporadic heavy rains to Western Cuba and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula, and winds of 20 - 25 mph to surrounding ocean areas. This disturbance will need to be watched for development as it drifts slowly northward at about 5 mph into the Central Gulf of Mexico by Saturday. The disturbance is poorly organized, and has only a modest area of heavy thunderstorms. Wind shear is a moderate to high 15 - 25 knots over the region. Ocean temperatures are 81 - 83°F in the Western Caribbean and Southern Gulf of Mexico, which is about 1°F above average, and plenty warm to support formation of a tropical storm.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of the tropical disturbance entering the Southern Gulf of Mexico.

Forecast for Gulf of Mexico disturbance
Wind shear is predicted to remain in the moderate to high range through Friday. Water vapor satellite loops show a region of dry air over the Northern Gulf of Mexico; this dry air is probably too far away to significantly interfere with development. I expect we will see an increase in the disturbance's heavy thunderstorm activity today as a result of less interference from dry air. By Saturday, our two top models, the European model (ECMWF) and GFS, predict that wind shear could fall to the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, which would potentially allow the disturbance to approach tropical depression status by Sunday. A trough of low pressure pushing off of the U.S. East Coast will be capable of grabbing the disturbance and accelerating it to the northeast on Sunday, as predicted by the GFS model, which takes the disturbance across Florida on Sunday, and into the waters off the coast of South Carolina by Monday. The GFS does not develop the disturbance while it is in the Gulf of Mexico, but suggests it could develop into a tropical or subtropical depression off the coast of South Carolina Monday or Tuesday. The latest ECMWF model run (00 UTC) predicts that this through will not be strong enough to pull the disturbance northeastwards across Florida, and the disturbance will instead linger in the Gulf of Mexico for many days, giving it time to develop into a tropical depression next week. The UKMET and NOGAPS models predict a more westward drift, with the disturbance affecting the Mexico/Texas border region 6 - 7 days from now. At this point, we can't rule out any location in the Gulf being affected by this system, though the Gulf coast of Florida has the highest probability of seeing impacts. NHC is giving the disturbance a 30% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Saturday morning. This is a reasonable forecast, and the odds will probably rise by Friday, and I give the disturbance a 50% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Monday morning.


Figure 2. Morning satellite image of Hurricane Chris.

Chris reaches hurricane strength; not a threat to land
Hurricane Chris has managed to intensify and form an eye-like feature surrounded by intense thunderstorms with very cold tops, despite the fact the storm is over cool waters of 22°C. NHC puts Chris at hurricane strength with 75 mph winds making it the first hurricane of the 2012 hurricane season. Chris attained hurricane strength unusually far to the north (41.1°N) for a June storm; only Hurricane One of 1893 was a June hurricane at a more northernly point (44°N) than Chris. Chris is headed northeastwards, out to sea, and will not trouble any land areas. Only twice before, in 1887 and 1959, has the third storm of the season formed earlier than June 20. Formation of three tropical storms so early in the year is not necessarily a harbinger of an active season; 1959 was close to average, with 12 named storms, 7 hurricanes, and 2 intense hurricanes (average is 11 named storms, 6 hurricanes, and 2 intense hurricanes.) Unusual levels of early season activity in the Caribbean and between Africa and the Lesser Antilles usually portends a very active hurricane season, but this year's storms have not formed in this region. Alberto, Beryl, and Chris all formed off the U.S. East Coast.


Figure 3. The St. Louis river upstream from Duluth, Minnesota reached its highest flood height on record this morning, 6.1' above flood stage. The river rose over ten feet in 24 hours. Image credit: NOAA.

Record flooding in Duluth, Minnesota
Flood waters have crested in Duluth, Minnesota this Thursday morning, and are slowly falling, in the wake of the city's all-time record 24-hour rainstorm. A series of "training" thunderstorms that followed the same path passed over a wide swath of Northern Minnesota between noon Tuesday and noon Wednesday, dropping 7.20" of rain on the city. According to wunderground's weather historian Christopher C. Burt, this far surpasses the previous 24-hour record rainfall for Duluth, the 5.79" that fell on August 22 - 23, 1978. Two rivers in the Duluth area, the Nemadji and St. Louis, hit their highest flood heights on record Thursday morning, causing destructive flooding. Sadly, major flooding occurred at the Duluth zoo, washing a seal into a neighboring street, and killing at least eleven zoo animals.

Jeff Masters
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2701. Grothar 12:33 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TampaSpin:
Anyone that believes any system that enters the Gulf of Mexico in late June and won't develop into a decent storm in Low Shear probably knows little about the Gulf of Mexico. I am certainly not saying this will develop into anything but, i certainly will say this could become at least a Cat2 storm very quickly once it gets a Closed Low Formed. But, a Closed Low is first if it does!


Hey, TSpin! I thought you moved.
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2702. Cat5hit 12:34 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting unf97:


Possibly. Not etched in stone though. Just have to see if 96L can tighten up. This is a very large and broad circulation which initially originated from a monsoonal trough. These types of systems can take days to finally close off and consolidate a center of circulation.

It has a chance to become a significant cyclone in the next few days as the anticyclone will likely get over the top of 96L and the system can feed upon the warm SSTs in the GOM.

BTW, Beryl was rather substantial,70 mph TS at landfall. I lost power for a couple of days and the area had flooding. Some analysts believe it may get upgraded to minimal hurricane status in the post season analysis when it is conducted by the NHC. My point is just don't exclusively look at hurricanes as serious threats. There have been examples of many tropical storms that can be serious threats just for flooding alone, with Allison in 2001 and Fay in 2008 being the best examples of this.



That is why I used the word 'potential' in my statement...

Yes, Tropical Storms can be nasty too! But not like a Major Hurricane though. Losing power is one thing, losing everything is quite another.
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2704. pensacolastorm 12:35 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TAMPASHIELD:


Stop wishing it towards your house Tim!


Obviously has not been hit by a storm.
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2705. muddertracker 12:37 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting trey33:


Thx


Did you stay up late last night for the 00z? lol...'morning everyone, 96.
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2706. beeleeva 12:37 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
96l on Google Earth does not look like much of a threat,,anyone know update times on sat. photos they use??
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2707. CybrTeddy 12:37 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting washingtonian115:
I believe that the real development will happen Saturday.The low has failed to make any progress,is still broad and has failed to consolidate.Future "Debby" will probably become named on Sunday the earliest.My opinion so don't hate.


It wasn't supposed to, no one was expecting development overnight so I don't know why people are disappointed. The low pressure center remains very broad but is slowly making progress. The Yucatan is what is disrupting rapid development. Once the ULAC gets centered over the low, you should probably see the system ramp up.
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2708. MAweatherboy1 12:38 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting washingtonian115:
I believe that the real development will happen Saturday.The low has failed to make any progress,is still broad and has failed to consolidate.Future "Debby" will probably become named on Sunday the earliest.My opinion so don't hate.

Wow, your downcasting is almost trollish... Lol, just kidding, I think you're right... The low is too big to consolidate as fast as we had thought, and I don't think it's close proximity to land is helping it either... We will still see Debby out of this, but not as soon.
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2709. HurrMichaelOrl 12:38 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting stormpetrol:


Looks like another center maybe forming around 18N/86W



Some of the lowest pressures are also in that general area.


Whoa, are those 60 kt winds in the Central Gulf?
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2710. RTSplayer 12:38 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting Neapolitan:
Here's another good one:

Click for larger image:

ice


Excellent graphic.

Notice the exponential trend much?

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2711. 19N81W 12:38 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
wow that area of weather has some high tops in it....
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2712. StormHype 12:39 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TAMPASHIELD:


Right over the Artic!


lol
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2713. 7544 12:40 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
today all eyes on the convection looks like its trying to go nne im not even looking at the naked spin lol the action isi there if they do send a plane they might find a new low and to the east thats what the gfs might be telling us and more model runs will join its camp latter just my own opinon .enjoy your coffee
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2714. Grothar 12:41 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
This is really elongated.

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2715. TAMPASHIELD 12:41 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting 19N81W:
wow that area of weather has some high tops in it....


I need you to level off to 5,000 and slow to 180.
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2716. washingtonian115 12:41 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


It wasn't supposed to, no one was expecting development overnight so I don't know why people are disappointed. The low pressure center remains very broad but is slowly making progress. The Yucatan is what is disrupting rapid development. Once the ULAC gets centered over the low, you should probably see the system ramp up.
I was never expecting development over night.Yesterday I thought that we may get a closed circulation sometime tonight at the earliest the way organization was going yesterday.Now I've backed it up till Saturday night with Sunday being D-day(Debbie day).
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2717. ILwthrfan 12:41 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    

Quoting washingtonian115:
I believe that the real development will happen Saturday.The low has failed to make any progress,is still broad and has failed to consolidate.Future "Debby" will probably become named on Sunday the earliest.My opinion so don't hate.
It may not even develop at all.  Could be that it splits off into two pieces of energy like the GFS was hinting at with two tropical systems, only maybe neither make storm status until the trough clears out, then what energy is left down in the Gulf could have a chance to develop.  Right now I just think there is too much competition for anything to organize.  That trough down there is hurting it as much as it has been helping it.   And then you have this...


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2718. CybrTeddy 12:42 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Recon is scheduled for takeoff at 12pm.
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2719. Tazmanian 12:42 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting ILwthrfan:

It may not even develop at all.  Could be that it splits off into two pieces of energy like the GFS was hinting at with two tropical systems, only maybe neither make storm status until the trough clears out, then what energy is left down in the Gulf could have a chance to develop.  Right now I just think there is too much competition for anything to organize.  That trough down there is hurting it as much as it has been helping it.   And then you have this...






i wish you guys would stop posting the chart i find it annyouing when you guys this keep posting and posting it
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2720. Tazmanian 12:43 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Recon is scheduled for takeoff at 12pm.




right now i dont see that happing
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2721. TampaSpin 12:43 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TAMPASHIELD:


Stop wishing it towards your house Tim!


Ya Right....LOL....NO THANK YOU!
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2722. scott39 12:43 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Looks like 96l will start to try and close its low off in the next 24 hours. i still think this is going to be a central/N Gulf Coast landfall.
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2723. stormpetrol 12:43 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting naviguesser:


Dated freshly - they having known issues?


1845. stormpetrol 1:39 AM GMT on June 22, 2012

Check this out same ascat I posted it last night.
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2724. weathermanwannabe 12:43 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Good Morning Folks. Just noting, as you look at all the loops, that there is a diagonal "line" across the NW-SW side system that runs from the Yucatan towards the Florida Big Big Bend.

If you look at the CIMMS sheer chart below, you can see the band of sheer, which is causing this lopsided appearance, probably blowing in the 20-40 kt range across this quadrant of the system.

Link

If you look at the CIMMS sheer tendancy chart below, currently, that same band has an increasing tendency with the exception of a dropping tendancy directly north of the Low.

Link

My point is that this diagonal band of sheer is acting like a straight line wall preventing further organization by not allowing any of the convection to the East to wrap around and consolidate around the emerging COC. However, the path of least resistance at the moment is due North.

Will be interesting to see if the emerging COC will take the path of least resistance; which could initiate the system a little further to the East.

I live in the Big Bend of Florida and just topped off the gas tanks at the house before coming into work just in case.
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2725. TAMPASHIELD 12:43 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Recon is scheduled for takeoff at 12pm.


No go according to the NHC discussion
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2726. Grothar 12:43 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting 19N81W:
wow that area of weather has some high tops in it....


It does, a tremendous amount. If this were over land, it would be bad

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2727. 7544 12:43 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
agree also notice the ull to the east of fla and how its pushing the north clouds over fl to the east this is the key player that the gfs is seeing and taking this that way imo
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2728. TampaSpin 12:44 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting Grothar:


Hey, TSpin! I thought you moved.


I still pop in and out sometimes tho!
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2729. HurrMichaelOrl 12:44 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting unf97:


Possibly. Not etched in stone though. Just have to see if 96L can tighten up. This is a very large and broad circulation which initially originated from a monsoonal trough. These types of systems can take days to finally close off and consolidate a center of circulation.

It has a chance to become a significant cyclone in the next few days as the anticyclone will likely get over the top of 96L and the system can feed upon the warm SSTs in the GOM.

BTW, Beryl was rather substantial,70 mph TS at landfall. I lost power for a couple of days and the area had flooding. Some analysts believe it may get upgraded to minimal hurricane status in the post season analysis when it is conducted by the NHC. My point is just don't exclusively look at hurricanes as serious threats. There have been examples of many tropical storms that can be serious threats just for flooding alone, with Allison in 2001 and Fay in 2008 being the best examples of this.


Beryl must have been much worse in some areas near the landfall location than others. I was in Jax Beach for the storm and the highest winds officially recorded here were 46 gusting to 62 mph. I waited for the eastern "eyewall" to hit and the winds as it moved through were 20-25 mph.

On the recently posted windspeed map of the Gulf, are those 60 kt winds north of the Yucatan?
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2730. unf97 12:44 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting Cat5hit:



That is why I used the word 'potential' in my statement...

Yes, Tropical Storms can be nasty too! But not like a Major Hurricane though. Losing power is one thing, losing everything is quite another.


Thankfully, I have never experienced going through a major hurricane and God forbid I hope it never occurs for me, or anyone for that matter.

I can only imagine the calamity that ensues in the aftermath. So, I sinccerely pray that 96L won't become a major hurricane for all along the Gulf Coast.
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2731. RTSplayer 12:45 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
If a new LLC is forming under the convection then we might have a different animal all together.

Could be smaller storm than previously thought, and maybe sort of whip around the broad low to it's NW as that feature meanders around or moves west.

This might be the "Split" some models indicated.
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2732. CybrTeddy 12:45 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting ILwthrfan:

It may not even develop at all.  Could be that it splits off into two pieces of energy like the GFS was hinting at with two tropical systems, only maybe neither make storm status until the trough clears out, then what energy is left down in the Gulf could have a chance to develop.  Right now I just think there is too much competition for anything to organize.  That trough down there is hurting it as much as it has been helping it.   And then you have this...




The GFS does develop this system, and makes it down to a 998mb low. It's having serious convective feedback problems and showing that highly unrealistically the convection will move over Florida and develop over the Atlantic. This solution should be discarded as no other models support this.
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2733. scott39 12:46 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
I wouldnt be suprised to see a major hurricane, if 96L sits out in the GOM,
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2734. CybrTeddy 12:46 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TAMPASHIELD:


No go according to the NHC discussion


?

AN AIR FORCE RESERVE RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT IS
SCHEDULED TO INVESTIGATE THE SYSTEM THIS AFTERNOON...IF
NECESSARY.
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2735. SFLWeatherman 12:46 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Wow all models are going to FL now !:)
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2736. TAMPASHIELD 12:47 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


?

AN AIR FORCE RESERVE RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT IS
SCHEDULED TO INVESTIGATE THE SYSTEM THIS AFTERNOON...IF
NECESSARY.


Well ya'll look at that!
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2737. divdog 12:48 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Recon is scheduled for takeoff at 12pm.Quoting CybrTeddy:
Recon is scheduled for takeoff at 12pm.
Not going to happen. Read NHC discussion
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2738. scott39 12:49 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting SFLWeatherman:
Wow all models are going to FL now !:)
models have been flip flopping for a couple of days now. 96L has to form into a depression so NHC can get a handle on the track.
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2739. Hurricanes305 12:49 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TAMPASHIELD:


Right over the Artic!


Lol sorry I was up all night celebrating the Heat championship what I meant to say is 21N/86W.
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2740. Neapolitan 12:49 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Pressure down 2 millibars; winds up 5 knots:

AL, 96, 2012062212, , BEST, 0, 225N, 883W, 25, 1005, LO, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1007, 250, 150, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, INVEST, M

Meanwhile, Chris is still held as a TS by ATCF:

AL, 03, 2012062212, , BEST, 0, 448N, 455W, 45, 989, TS, 34, NEQ, 150, 0, 80, 180, 994, 80, 70, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, CHRIS, M,
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2741. muddertracker 12:49 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting SFLWeatherman:
Wow all models are going to FL now !:)


Tampa....obviously! Shields UP! Sarcasm Flag: ON
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2742. MAweatherboy1 12:49 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting SFLWeatherman:
Wow all models are going to FL now !:)

Those aren't reliable models though... The LBAR, BAMM, and BAMD are simple, statistical models so you can mostly throw those out, the HWRF is good for intensity sometimes but not so much track, and the GFS is having major issues with this system... A landfall farther west along the Gulf coast still seems more likely to me.
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2743. RTSplayer 12:50 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Convection is getting big again, starting to get some outflow in all directions.

ESL WV

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2744. CybrTeddy 12:50 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
People don't seem to be taking into account just where the low is, it's centered over the Yucatan and has been for 12 hours so of course it's going to look broad and elongated. However, if one looks at things besides the visible satellite loop.. surface pressures are indeed falling in the area. What we need to look forward to day in terms of development is if the system begins to generate convection on the North and the East side of the system. That will be your hint that this is going to try to ramp up.
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2745. MAweatherboy1 12:50 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting Neapolitan:
AL, 96, 2012062212, , BEST, 0, 225N, 883W, 25, 1005, LO, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1007, 250, 150, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, INVEST, M

Interesting, a little strengthening... Looks are deceiving us I guess.
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2746. 7544 12:51 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting SFLWeatherman:
Wow all models are going to FL now !:)

ve
ha was just about to post that now they did join the gfs as i expected this run anyway i still believe threre is some kind of low forming to the east under that convection and the ull is pulling this tworads fla going to be interestin to watch this one enjoy your second cup of coffee
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2747. washingtonian115 12:52 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
The anti-cyclone is not yet over the center.Which is causing 20+ knots of shear.
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2748. weathermanwannabe 12:52 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
2744. CybrTeddy 8:50 AM EDT on June 22, 2012


Did you mean North and West........
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2749. TAMPASHIELD 12:53 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting muddertracker:


Tampa....obviously! Shields UP! Sarcasm Flag: ON


You got my hopes high...
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2750. bohonkweatherman 12:54 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting rmbjoe1954:
I hope Texas will get some relief from the oppressive heat but don't wish a tropical storm on Texas because you don't mess with Texas.

Hopefully, nothing major develops and a weak low will ultimately drift deep into Texas.
With or without a Storm the Temps are suppose to drop to 100 near end of next week because high pressure is expected to move west some so there is our relief, LOL. Happy Friday to all. The area of low pressure in the Gulf is not in a hurry to do anything because conditions are not right but they should improve. We need a storm to come thru here and bring all these dead trees down pretty obvious humans aren't going to do the work. Just Kidding. Just saying these trees have been dead for almost a year and not enough is being done about it IMO. Those who have private land cut your dead trees down. I use to live in neighborhood with lots of older beautiful trees but some people would not have theirs trimmed and maintained like they should and everyone payed for it when a strong wind storm came thru. Going out to work before it gets too hot and Yes Most of the Work I do is to Help others in Need who dont have alot of money so I am really not getting payed but it makes me feel better about who I am, I am retired. Take care
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2751. kwgirl 12:54 PM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Good morning all. Well, last night the Miami weather gurus were saying this mess in the Gulf will move NE toward the big bend. This AM they said it will wander north and hang around NOLA. Just as long as it moves away or at least doesn't stall directly over the Keys. We don't need another 24 inches of rain in 24 hours. Everyone have a good day watching the blob.:)
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