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Gulf of Mexico disturbance may develop; Chris a hurricane; record Duluth flooding
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 03:03 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012 +56
An area of low pressure and heavy thunderstorms entering the Southern Gulf of Mexico is bringing sporadic heavy rains to Western Cuba and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula, and winds of 20 - 25 mph to surrounding ocean areas. This disturbance will need to be watched for development as it drifts slowly northward at about 5 mph into the Central Gulf of Mexico by Saturday. The disturbance is poorly organized, and has only a modest area of heavy thunderstorms. Wind shear is a moderate to high 15 - 25 knots over the region. Ocean temperatures are 81 - 83°F in the Western Caribbean and Southern Gulf of Mexico, which is about 1°F above average, and plenty warm to support formation of a tropical storm.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of the tropical disturbance entering the Southern Gulf of Mexico.

Forecast for Gulf of Mexico disturbance
Wind shear is predicted to remain in the moderate to high range through Friday. Water vapor satellite loops show a region of dry air over the Northern Gulf of Mexico; this dry air is probably too far away to significantly interfere with development. I expect we will see an increase in the disturbance's heavy thunderstorm activity today as a result of less interference from dry air. By Saturday, our two top models, the European model (ECMWF) and GFS, predict that wind shear could fall to the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, which would potentially allow the disturbance to approach tropical depression status by Sunday. A trough of low pressure pushing off of the U.S. East Coast will be capable of grabbing the disturbance and accelerating it to the northeast on Sunday, as predicted by the GFS model, which takes the disturbance across Florida on Sunday, and into the waters off the coast of South Carolina by Monday. The GFS does not develop the disturbance while it is in the Gulf of Mexico, but suggests it could develop into a tropical or subtropical depression off the coast of South Carolina Monday or Tuesday. The latest ECMWF model run (00 UTC) predicts that this through will not be strong enough to pull the disturbance northeastwards across Florida, and the disturbance will instead linger in the Gulf of Mexico for many days, giving it time to develop into a tropical depression next week. The UKMET and NOGAPS models predict a more westward drift, with the disturbance affecting the Mexico/Texas border region 6 - 7 days from now. At this point, we can't rule out any location in the Gulf being affected by this system, though the Gulf coast of Florida has the highest probability of seeing impacts. NHC is giving the disturbance a 30% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Saturday morning. This is a reasonable forecast, and the odds will probably rise by Friday, and I give the disturbance a 50% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Monday morning.


Figure 2. Morning satellite image of Hurricane Chris.

Chris reaches hurricane strength; not a threat to land
Hurricane Chris has managed to intensify and form an eye-like feature surrounded by intense thunderstorms with very cold tops, despite the fact the storm is over cool waters of 22°C. NHC puts Chris at hurricane strength with 75 mph winds making it the first hurricane of the 2012 hurricane season. Chris attained hurricane strength unusually far to the north (41.1°N) for a June storm; only Hurricane One of 1893 was a June hurricane at a more northernly point (44°N) than Chris. Chris is headed northeastwards, out to sea, and will not trouble any land areas. Only twice before, in 1887 and 1959, has the third storm of the season formed earlier than June 20. Formation of three tropical storms so early in the year is not necessarily a harbinger of an active season; 1959 was close to average, with 12 named storms, 7 hurricanes, and 2 intense hurricanes (average is 11 named storms, 6 hurricanes, and 2 intense hurricanes.) Unusual levels of early season activity in the Caribbean and between Africa and the Lesser Antilles usually portends a very active hurricane season, but this year's storms have not formed in this region. Alberto, Beryl, and Chris all formed off the U.S. East Coast.


Figure 3. The St. Louis river upstream from Duluth, Minnesota reached its highest flood height on record this morning, 6.1' above flood stage. The river rose over ten feet in 24 hours. Image credit: NOAA.

Record flooding in Duluth, Minnesota
Flood waters have crested in Duluth, Minnesota this Thursday morning, and are slowly falling, in the wake of the city's all-time record 24-hour rainstorm. A series of "training" thunderstorms that followed the same path passed over a wide swath of Northern Minnesota between noon Tuesday and noon Wednesday, dropping 7.20" of rain on the city. According to wunderground's weather historian Christopher C. Burt, this far surpasses the previous 24-hour record rainfall for Duluth, the 5.79" that fell on August 22 - 23, 1978. Two rivers in the Duluth area, the Nemadji and St. Louis, hit their highest flood heights on record Thursday morning, causing destructive flooding. Sadly, major flooding occurred at the Duluth zoo, washing a seal into a neighboring street, and killing at least eleven zoo animals.

Jeff Masters
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1952. TropicalAnalystwx13 02:22 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:
Weeeell...

Convection is getting absolutely killed for the past few hours, obviously.

This wasn't exactly expected since earlier it looked like it might had a chance to get stacked.

It's DMIN, what else did you expect?
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1953. aspectre 02:22 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Derived from (NHC) ATCF data for TropicalStormChris for 22June12amGMT:
Its vector had changed from NNEast at 18.3mph(29.5km/h) to North at 15mph(24.2km/h)
MaxSusWinds had decreased from 60knots(69mph)111km/h to 55knots(63mph)102km/h
And MinimumPressure had held steady at 990millibars

For those who like to visually track TS.Chris's path...
YYT SaintJohns,Newfoundland :: AGM Tasilag,Greenland :: HFN Hofn,Iceland :: SNN Shannon,Ireland

The Westernmost dot on the kinked line is where Invest95L became TropicalStormChris.
The Easternmost dot on the kinked line is where TS.Chris became HurricaneChris
The next dot NNEast on the connected line-segment is where H.Chris became TS.Chris again
The Southernmost dot on the longest line is TS.Chris's most recent position.

The longest line-segment is a straightline-projection through TS.Chris's 2 most recent positions to the coastline.
The SNN-blob is the endpoint of the 21June12pmGMT straightline projection connected to its nearest airport
The HFN-dumbbell is the endpoint of the 21June6pmGMT straightline projection at the point of its closest approach to Iceland connected to its nearest airport
On 22June12amGMT, TS.Chris was headed toward passage 78miles(126kilometres) WSWest of Tasiilaq in ~4days2hours from now

Copy&paste yyt, sma-36.44n25.0178w, cvu-39.65n31.114w, lrt-47.51n3.153w, snn-52.849n9.449w, hfn-63.371n13.43w, 39.5n58.0w- 38.9n56.7w- 38.3n54.7w- 38.1n52.3w- 38.2n50.2w- 38.6n47.5w- 39.4n45.6w- 40.5n43.9w, 40.5n43.9w-41.9n42.9w, 41.9n42.9w-43.2n42.8w, 41.9n42.9w-65.002n39.9w, agm-65.002n39.9w into the GreatCircleMapper for more information
The previous mapping for comparison.
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1954. CybrTeddy 02:24 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Convection dying isn't to be unexpected and I'd be rather impressed if it didn't.. Systems pulse in convection that are weak with circulations at DMIN. Completely natural. DMAX will probably fire it up again.
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1955. TropicalAnalystwx13 02:24 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


I'm 21 and live with my aunt. I don't leech off her though; I take $240 out of the first check in the month to help her buy groceries.

You're an adult?

When did this happen?
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1956. Skyepony (Mod) 02:24 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
That swirl east of the Bahamas may just slowly work it's way to the surface & be the next (after Chris) storm to harass the Azores.. Have to wunder if the big standing troughs we've seen this year haven't had something to do with all the swirls. Like standing waves in a stream forming eddies.
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1957. KoritheMan 02:24 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

You're an adult?

When did this happen?


You're just jealous you're still a minor. Now go to sleep.
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1958. KoritheMan 02:25 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting Skyepony:
That swirl east of the Bahamas may just slowly work it's way to the surface & be the next (after Chris) storm to harass the Azores.. Have to wunder if the big standing troughs we've seen this year haven't had something to do with all the swirls. Like standing waves in a stream forming eddies.


Subtropical entities seem to have become more common the last few years anyway, which would make sense considering the magnitude of the fronts we've had since '09.
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1959. DFWjc 02:26 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting seriousman1:


i bet that weather guy is thinking differently now and he wishes he said 60% texas 30% la miss and alabama and 10% florida....look at it as a horse race texas is leading by 5 lengths in the stretch with no one gaining....


Not only that, but c'mon, it's too early to predict the end of the race...
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1960. 1900hurricane 02:26 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting RitaEvac:


If it' gonna be around next Wednesday, what's the point.

I can understand that, but this will be the first model run with the true 96L center fix, so I'm interested to see how the models handle it.
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1961. MississippiWx 02:26 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


You're just jealous you're still a minor. Now go to sleep.


You are a young buck...24 here.
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1962. louisianaboy444 02:27 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


That's actually what I was calling you about earlier. I'm going to see if my father won't go down to the coast with us. He loves weather as much as I do.


We'll see it would have to be worth it meaning a significant system (60mph+) affecting very close to us. The main question is how far north will the trough pull it before it gets pushed west...
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1963. KoritheMan 02:27 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting MississippiWx:


You are a young buck...24 here.


Can I call you an old man?
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1964. muddertracker 02:27 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting 1900hurricane:

I can understand that, but this will be the first model run with the true 96L center fix, so I'm interested to see how the models handle it.


Don't those run at like 1 am central or something?
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1965. luvtogolf 02:28 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Convection dying isn't to be unexpected and I'd be rather impressed if it didn't.. Systems pulse in convection that are weak with circulations at DMIN. Completely natural. DMAX will probably fire it up again.


I thought DMIN was during the day and DMAX was at night. The system blew up today and is now fizzling. Isn't that the opposite?
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1966. RTSplayer 02:28 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

It's DMIN, what else did you expect?


I didn't expect it to get totally blown to pieces like this, that's for sure.
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1967. TropicalAnalystwx13 02:28 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


You're just jealous you're still a minor. Now go to sleep.

It's not time for me to go to bed yet. You go to bed grandpa!
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1968. ProgressivePulse 02:28 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Evening All.

Interesting spread being generated tonight in the models and why they mention the entire US Gulf Coast.

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1969. KoritheMan 02:28 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting luvtogolf:


I thought DMIN was during the day and DMAX was at night. The system blew up today and is now fizzling. Isn't that the opposite?


It started fizzling after sunset, which is when oceanic convection is at its weakest.
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1970. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 02:28 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
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1971. louisianaboy444 02:30 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
I say we have a late night model watching party here whose with me? Some of us older regulars in here
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1972. angiest 02:30 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


According to this, a tropical cyclone could form in southern Arkansas....
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1973. KoritheMan 02:30 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting louisianaboy444:
I say we have a late night model watching party here whose with me? Some of us older regulars in here


I'm game.
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1974. JLPR2 02:31 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

You're an adult?

When did this happen?


Ha! XD
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1975. jpsb 02:31 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting HoustonTxGal:


I guess here on the Texas coast, we will make some popcorn and smores and watch it play put for a day or two.
Galveston bay here, that is my plan. I am putting pumping out the swimming pool on hold for a couple of days.
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1976. MississippiWx 02:31 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Can I call you an old man?


Sure...I feel like one anyway most of the time. Lol.
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1977. luvtogolf 02:31 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


It started fizzling after sunset, which is when oceanic convection is at its weakest.


So it should start to re-fire later tonight?
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1978. Hurricanes305 02:32 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting MississippiWx:


You are a young buck...24 here.


Hey, stop arguing like 24 and 21 year olds. So immature!
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1979. ProgressivePulse 02:32 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
That AVNO model, which has had it's moments, would make a lot say "WTF". That would be up there with "Wrong Way Lenny"
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1980. mynameispaul 02:32 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Env Steering 500-850 hpa layer





Link
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1981. KoritheMan 02:32 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting luvtogolf:


So it should start to re-fire later tonight?


There is literally no reason why it shouldn't.
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1982. 1900hurricane 02:32 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting louisianaboy444:
I say we have a late night model watching party here whose with me? Some of us older regulars in here

I'm in if I'm still awake. A big if though. :P
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1983. ncstorm 02:32 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting CybrTeddy:


The HWRF hasn't run for 96L yet, that is for Chris.

The HWRF decreases in accuracy the farther out from it's system and is no where near as reliable. Wait until the NHC decides to run the HWRF and GFDL on 96L specifically.


yeah I know the model was run on chris itself but it captured the atmospheric conditions so apparently its seeing the trough to pull the storm to the NE..just an observation only..but all models do and will change..just noting one of the runs thats all
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1984. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 02:32 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:


I didn't expect it to get totally blown to pieces like this, that's for sure.


its the way it works it cycles up and down in what i like to call convective cycles

each cycle if a true cyclone will be stronger each time than the one before it tomorrow is an important day
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1985. nofailsafe 02:33 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting louisianaboy444:
I say we have a late night model watching party here whose with me? Some of us older regulars in here


I'll be here waiting for the midnight run here.
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1986. GainesvilleGator 02:33 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
It looks like the COC is trying to reform under the deep convecton further East. It will be interesting to see where 96L ends up tomorrow morning.
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1987. mrsalagranny 02:33 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Good evening everyone.I sure hope that Texas gets the rain they need from this system.I plan on moving to Gulf Shores next Saturday.I hope we dont get any rain down there.
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1988. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 02:33 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
o and our next building convective cycle is underway
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1989. Levi32 02:33 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
I'm really hoping 96L will look good enough for a recon flight tomorrow. I have some new plotting scripts that I can't wait to try that should produce some live graphics you guys haven't seen anywhere else on the public web.
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1990. GeoffreyWPB 02:34 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
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1991. RTSplayer 02:34 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting jpsb:
10 billion dollars would be almost 500,000 lbs of gold. What do you think would happen to the price of gold if 500,000 lbs of new gold hit the market? Now manufacturing might pay off in space but minding asteroids will not with current lunch costs. Right now the only thing worth minding is H3 on the moon.

Sorry for the off topic post, I will be good from now on


Depending on launch costs, I figure you can make between a 300% and 400% profit on Platinum and Rhodium alone, if you have a well designed cargo capsule. It doesn't need to be to "space station" standards to support human landers or high tech gear. It sort of just acts as a cargo capsule to be retrieved, and you could load it with like 100 tons of metals and drop it all at once, or better yet, make the drop capsules from the asteroids "worthless" aggregate materials; silicates, iron and titanium oxides, alumina,etc, in order to shield the more valuable cargo, and that way you never pay the launch cost of the cargo ship, and the metals of the ship itself can be salvaged as well. It's like a big aluminum or iron can filled with Gold, Platinum, and Rhodium...


Really, once you have a functioning refinery on an asteroid capable of building it's own cargo capsules, the profit margins are nearly unlimited, because you never need to launch anything again, except maybe workers or electronics or machine components too hard to make in space...
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1992. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 02:34 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
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1993. KoritheMan 02:34 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting Levi32:
I'm really hoping 96L will look good enough for a recon flight tomorrow. I have some new plotting scripts that I can't wait to try that should produce some graphics you guys haven't seen anywhere else in the public web.


Oh?
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1994. angiest 02:34 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting louisianaboy444:
I say we have a late night model watching party here whose with me? Some of us older regulars in here


I don't suppose DestinJeff has been seen this season?
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1995. Autistic2 02:35 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Still looks like tx to tampa. Well good night all. See what the AM brings.
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1996. TropicalAnalystwx13 02:35 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


There is literally no reason why it shouldn't.

I laughed at this comment for some reason.
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1997. allancalderini 02:35 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Hmmm.... it's starting to look like Chris will last long enough to impact the Azores... and it's amazing a storm that far north turns out to be the one that broke the "curse of Chris"....
Actually there was a stronger Chris in 1994.
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1998. MississippiWx 02:35 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting KoritheMan:


There is literally no reason why it shouldn't.


Focus of thunderstorm activity moved to land areas when land's diurnal maximum came around. As we move through the night, the thunderstorm activity will refocus over the water as diurnal max over water approaches. These weak systems are very susceptible to diurnal influences, especially close to land masses.
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1999. redwagon 02:35 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting RitaEvac:
Basically a north track, taking it to central gulf


Well, there's some anti-TX bias. Is it hard-coded into the models or something 'don't bother initializing towards TX. They have yuckky Highs and stuff.'
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2000. ProgressivePulse 02:35 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting Levi32:
I'm really hoping 96L will look good enough for a recon flight tomorrow. I have some new plotting scripts that I can't wait to try that should produce some graphics you guys haven't seen anywhere else on the public web.


Love new stuff, hopefully it's a go.
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2001. KoritheMan 02:35 AM GMT del 22 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I laughed at this comment for some reason.


I laughed at your face.
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