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Gulf of Mexico disturbance may develop; Chris a hurricane; record Duluth flooding
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 03:03 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012 +56
An area of low pressure and heavy thunderstorms entering the Southern Gulf of Mexico is bringing sporadic heavy rains to Western Cuba and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula, and winds of 20 - 25 mph to surrounding ocean areas. This disturbance will need to be watched for development as it drifts slowly northward at about 5 mph into the Central Gulf of Mexico by Saturday. The disturbance is poorly organized, and has only a modest area of heavy thunderstorms. Wind shear is a moderate to high 15 - 25 knots over the region. Ocean temperatures are 81 - 83°F in the Western Caribbean and Southern Gulf of Mexico, which is about 1°F above average, and plenty warm to support formation of a tropical storm.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of the tropical disturbance entering the Southern Gulf of Mexico.

Forecast for Gulf of Mexico disturbance
Wind shear is predicted to remain in the moderate to high range through Friday. Water vapor satellite loops show a region of dry air over the Northern Gulf of Mexico; this dry air is probably too far away to significantly interfere with development. I expect we will see an increase in the disturbance's heavy thunderstorm activity today as a result of less interference from dry air. By Saturday, our two top models, the European model (ECMWF) and GFS, predict that wind shear could fall to the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, which would potentially allow the disturbance to approach tropical depression status by Sunday. A trough of low pressure pushing off of the U.S. East Coast will be capable of grabbing the disturbance and accelerating it to the northeast on Sunday, as predicted by the GFS model, which takes the disturbance across Florida on Sunday, and into the waters off the coast of South Carolina by Monday. The GFS does not develop the disturbance while it is in the Gulf of Mexico, but suggests it could develop into a tropical or subtropical depression off the coast of South Carolina Monday or Tuesday. The latest ECMWF model run (00 UTC) predicts that this through will not be strong enough to pull the disturbance northeastwards across Florida, and the disturbance will instead linger in the Gulf of Mexico for many days, giving it time to develop into a tropical depression next week. The UKMET and NOGAPS models predict a more westward drift, with the disturbance affecting the Mexico/Texas border region 6 - 7 days from now. At this point, we can't rule out any location in the Gulf being affected by this system, though the Gulf coast of Florida has the highest probability of seeing impacts. NHC is giving the disturbance a 30% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Saturday morning. This is a reasonable forecast, and the odds will probably rise by Friday, and I give the disturbance a 50% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Monday morning.


Figure 2. Morning satellite image of Hurricane Chris.

Chris reaches hurricane strength; not a threat to land
Hurricane Chris has managed to intensify and form an eye-like feature surrounded by intense thunderstorms with very cold tops, despite the fact the storm is over cool waters of 22°C. NHC puts Chris at hurricane strength with 75 mph winds making it the first hurricane of the 2012 hurricane season. Chris attained hurricane strength unusually far to the north (41.1°N) for a June storm; only Hurricane One of 1893 was a June hurricane at a more northernly point (44°N) than Chris. Chris is headed northeastwards, out to sea, and will not trouble any land areas. Only twice before, in 1887 and 1959, has the third storm of the season formed earlier than June 20. Formation of three tropical storms so early in the year is not necessarily a harbinger of an active season; 1959 was close to average, with 12 named storms, 7 hurricanes, and 2 intense hurricanes (average is 11 named storms, 6 hurricanes, and 2 intense hurricanes.) Unusual levels of early season activity in the Caribbean and between Africa and the Lesser Antilles usually portends a very active hurricane season, but this year's storms have not formed in this region. Alberto, Beryl, and Chris all formed off the U.S. East Coast.


Figure 3. The St. Louis river upstream from Duluth, Minnesota reached its highest flood height on record this morning, 6.1' above flood stage. The river rose over ten feet in 24 hours. Image credit: NOAA.

Record flooding in Duluth, Minnesota
Flood waters have crested in Duluth, Minnesota this Thursday morning, and are slowly falling, in the wake of the city's all-time record 24-hour rainstorm. A series of "training" thunderstorms that followed the same path passed over a wide swath of Northern Minnesota between noon Tuesday and noon Wednesday, dropping 7.20" of rain on the city. According to wunderground's weather historian Christopher C. Burt, this far surpasses the previous 24-hour record rainfall for Duluth, the 5.79" that fell on August 22 - 23, 1978. Two rivers in the Duluth area, the Nemadji and St. Louis, hit their highest flood heights on record Thursday morning, causing destructive flooding. Sadly, major flooding occurred at the Duluth zoo, washing a seal into a neighboring street, and killing at least eleven zoo animals.

Jeff Masters
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1101. TXCWC 09:38 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TAMPASHIELD:
Its going to hit Texas!



Looks that way right now - but as we all know, that could change. 12-24 hours of model and track runs SHOULD give a much better idea.
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1102. Joe21 09:39 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Why is the low moving ENE instead of west.Wouldnt florida still have some risk because if the low is movinh east then it would carch the trough more quicker.So florida is not out of the woods.And one sidenote you never know if the low will relo8ae to the east.
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1103. TAMPASHIELD 09:39 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting SFLWeatherman:
18Z GFS it going to FL 27HR


Throw that run out the window, that run is invalid!
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1104. Patrap 09:39 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
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1105. HoustonTxGal 09:39 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Well, I am going to sit back and wait and see in a day or two what the models have to say.

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1106. Tazmanian 09:39 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting tropicfreak:


If it were JFV... he'd probably have TropicalStormDebby, and make the smiley faces, and sirs and ma'ams. Don't think that's him.



ok but well keep a eye on his posting
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1107. MississippiWx 09:39 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Definitely getting interesting down around the Yucatan Channel. Low pressure might be feeling the tug into that wad of convection.

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1108. cheaterwon 09:40 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Check the wind readings at this NDBC station.
TIME
(CDT) 5-day plot - Wind Direction WDIR 5-day plot - Wind Speed WSPD
3:50 pm WSW ( 249 deg ) 12.4 kts
3:40 pm WSW ( 241 deg ) 15.3 kts
3:30 pm W ( 259 deg ) 20.8 kts
3:20 pm W ( 268 deg ) 24.3 kts
3:10 pm W ( 260 deg ) 27.0 kts
3:00 pm W ( 265 deg ) 28.6 kts

Supplemental Measurements Highest 1-minute Wind Speed
Time (CDT) 5-day plot - 1-Minute Wind Speed WSPD 5-day plot - 1-Minute Wind Direction WDIR
2:51 pm 31.1 kts W ( 270 deg true )
Peak gust during the measurement hour
TIME
(CDT) 5-day plot - Gust Direction GDR 5-day plot - Gust Speed GST


What do you all think of this? Here is a link to it. it is in between the Yucatan and Cuba.
Link
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1109. StormHype 09:40 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting 954FtLCane:
Boy what is Trent Eric from channel 10 Miami on. He says half of the computer models place the low over FL and 2 of the models "actually" have it going west.
I think the 24/7 Miami Heat coverage is getting to all of them.
Mind you this is the channel that Max Mayfield is on.


1) These TV news mets work for producers who want local viewer ratings. When you are a TV station in Miami, saying the consensus is moving 'west' doesn't get viewers.
2) Because it's a TV production, their 'show' is using data that is already old. Obviously, he's referring to earlier runs.
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1110. TropicalAnalystwx13 09:40 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting seriousman1:
people just need to calm down until we know whats going on...getting people excited is not the answer and people just need to pay attention over the weekend and see if this low does develop...i would not lose any sleep over it but all these wishcasters need to chill...

Nobody is wishcasting. This storm has potential to be a formidable tropical cyclone that the entire Gulf Coast needs to watch.
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1111. FLWaterFront 09:40 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting HoustonTxGal:
Quoting TXCWC:
EURO flipping to a Western Gulf/Texas solution is a big deal as now GFS is standing alone among the major models. EURO, CMC, UKMET, NOGAPS, EURO Ensemble, and GFS Ensemble are all now saying Western Gulf/Texas




Not liking this idea at all. I rode out Katrina while living on the MS gulf coast, then rode out Ike here in south Texas.... They seem to be stalking me LOL


If you live pretty much anywhere around the coastal region of the Gulf of Mexico, you will find that you will tend to feel like that.

That was one big reason why a longtime friend of mine moved to Montana years ago, wanting to get away from always feeling stalked by hurricanes. Now he feels stalked by wildfires and horrendous river floods (he lives right on the Musselshell
river).

The moral of that story is that there is pretty much no place to run to and no place to hide. Wherever you live you must choose your poison and learn to deal with it somehow.
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1112. midgulfmom 09:41 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Wow...checked this morning before work and GOM blob still unorganized but quickly got it together due to that super SST fuel and lower shear. Really surprised!
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1113. DavidHOUTX 09:41 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting StormHype:


Relax. It's June. This is no Ike in the making.



That is absolutely not true. The likelihood of that happening is low, sure, but this is the Gulf of Mexico. If you have any history of storms in the Gulf you will know that it is completely feasible to have a TS into a Cat 2 in a day or 2.
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1114. RTSplayer 09:41 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting Tazmanian:



dont be too sure about that



if wind shear gets vary low and if this thing stalls or slow down we could really see this thing get vary powerfull vary fast



People forget Alex had mid cat 3 pressure in June.

They forget Audrey was a June cat 4 from apparently some pop-up thunderstorms or something...well, a wave came off of the Yucatan, but there's no record of it being in the Caribbean, at least not mentioned in any encyclopedias or anything.


I'm not saying this would be a cat 3 or 4, but it's just a silly notion that strong storms don't happen in June, when in fact one of the strongest and deadliest land falling storms in the modern record was a June storm.
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1115. Patrap 09:41 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    

Storm Relative 1km Geostationary Visible Imagery

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1116. taco2me61 09:42 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Well from what I'm seeing is that we all need to not put to much in the early Model Runs due to none development (yet). Now I'm not saying it will not develop but the computer models always get a better handle on the Storm when it does develop. Then we'll have a better idea on where it goes. Just Saying :o)

Good to see some of the Regulars back on here :o)


Taco :o)
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1117. TAMPASHIELD 09:42 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting DavidHOUTX:



That is absolutely not true. The likelihood of that happening is low, sure, but this is the Gulf of Mexico. If you have any history of storms in the Gulf you will know that it is completely feasible to have a TS into a Cat 2 in a day or 2.


It's going to be a Cat 5!
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1118. MiamiHurricanes09 09:42 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Gulf Of Mexico - Visible Loop

The beginning of banding on the eastern side?
Convection starting to develop in association with the circulation over the Yucatan, of which is receiving assistance from inland daytime heating.
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1119. hurricanehunter27 09:42 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Gulf Of Mexico - Visible Loop

The beginning of banding on the eastern side?
I don't see it but could you be a bit more specific where you are seeing the banding?
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1120. Patrap 09:42 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
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1121. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 09:42 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
POSS T.C.F.A.
XX/INV/96L
MARK
22.11N/86.68W
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1122. SFLWeatherman 09:43 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
45HR
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1123. tropicfreak 09:43 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting seriousman1:


texas i would not get to excited at this time this low pressure could be gone tomorrow...you never know until the NHC has a good fix and a recon plane investigated the area i would not get my pressure up over this..just common sense..


Well this is an invest... and this does pose a threat to the US. Models are now on a more NW Gulf consensous, because it will get caught under the ridging. I would be a bit nervous if a storm posed a threat to my area. Oh wait, I was that way through Irene. Don't assure people everything's ok, but at the same time you don't want to overhype the situation.

Welcome to Wunderground btw.
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1124. PalmBeachWeather 09:43 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
So many experts........and so many non-experts... Much too early to say
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1125. Pirate999 09:44 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting HoustonTxGal:
Well, I am going to sit back and wait and see in a day or two what the models have to say.



I'm on galveston bay... That's exactly what I'll do.. Wait a few days and see how it shapes up.
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1126. HoustonTxGal 09:45 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting FLWaterFront:


If you live pretty much anywhere around the coastal region of the Gulf of Mexico, you will find that you will tend to feel like that.

That was one big reason why a longtime friend of mine moved to Montana years ago, wanting to get away from always feeling stalked by hurricanes. Now he feels stalked by wildfires and horrendous river floods (he lives right on the Musselshell
river).

The moral of that story is that there is pretty much no place to run to and no place to hide. Wherever you live you must choose your poison and learn to deal with it somehow.


Agree, I lived in the midwest and south east for a while an was stalked by Tornados then lived in Germany and was haunted by blizzards and ice storms... You roll the dice with mother nature no matter where you go. The best we can do is prepare and be mindful of the situation and do the best we can to get through.
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1127. hurricanehunter27 09:46 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:



People forget Alex had mid cat 3 pressure in June.

They forget Audrey was a June cat 4 from apparently some pop-up thunderstorms or something...well, a wave came off of the Yucatan, but there's no record of it being in the Caribbean, at least not mentioned in any encyclopedias or anything.


I'm not saying this would be a cat 3 or 4, but it's just a silly notion that strong storms don't happen in June, when in fact one of the strongest and deadliest land falling storms in the modern record was a June storm.
Alex defiantly had stronger than typical cat 3 pressures. Was more so strong cat 3 low end cat 4. Border between pressures is 944/945.
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1128. Hurricanes101 09:46 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
I find it interesting that the surface analysis continues to keep this system further east than most of the models
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1129. cyclonekid 09:46 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
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1130. centex 09:46 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
On the road to South Padre until Monday. Weather should be good this weekend but better get my fishing in early before tropical srorm in west central gulf.
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1131. RTSplayer 09:46 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TAMPASHIELD:


It's going to be a Cat 5!


Nobody was saying that.

We're just correcting a fallacy, that's all.

I think Audrey is still by far the strongest June Gulf Storm by wind speed, but Alex threatened the pressure record.
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1132. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 09:47 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    


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1133. HurricaneHunterJoe 09:47 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting Levi32:


Don't forget the wind maps generated by that program are from model data. I still see two swirls on visible: the one near the Yucatan coast and another in the central gulf, within a circulation broad enough that the initialization position could matter. The center should become more well-defined fairly quickly though.



It looks like the circulation is now over the Yucatan? No?
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1134. TropicalAnalystwx13 09:47 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Convection starting to develop in association with the circulation over the Yucatan, of which is receiving assistance from inland daytime heating.

Yeah. The low acts like it wants to move under the area of deep convection in the Yucatan Channel.
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1135. SELAliveforthetropic 09:47 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting Levi32:
The 12z Euro has come around to my idea that future Debby will hit the NW gulf coast instead of Florida. Notice it is a strong tropical storm due to the landfall occurring 7 days from now on the model, giving the system ample time to organize and strengthen. The threat for this was mentioned in my post this morning.



So Texas is considered the Northwest gulf coast? Just trying to understand. Thanks
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1136. HurricaneDean07 09:47 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting RTSplayer:


What is the official ENSO status right now, and the latest seasonal forecasts?


I totally expected this to be a front-loaded season, but the fact that we are ahead of 2005 with a potential 4th named storm already in the workings is a little disturbing.

The ENSO is still in the Neutral phase and should stay there through July and into Early August.
The Forecasters definately Ginxed themselves this season. The most storms we could see is prob 17. The least I would say is 11 storms
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1137. TropicalAnalystwx13 09:48 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
The Barometer Bob show is tonight, correct?
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1138. 1900hurricane 09:49 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Not as commonly used, but the SREFs are for the most part showing whatever vorticity that is in the Gulf being trapped by the ridge. Generally, only the ETA based members show it escaping to the NE.

15Z SREF 500 mb
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1139. StAugustineFL 09:49 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
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1140. Patrap 09:49 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
AL962012 - INVEST

2km Storm Relative IR Imagery with BD Enhancement Curve Loop

..click image for loop.


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1141. RTSplayer 09:50 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Well;



link to animations.

Deep convection starting near CoC for the first time

Looks like the convection is beating the dry air and shear back finally. That outflow that has formed may be enough and getting better stacked now...
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1142. DavidHOUTX 09:50 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting SELAliveforthetropic:


So Texas is considered the Northwest gulf coast? Just trying to understand. Thanks


Yes that is correct.
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1143. hurricanehunter27 09:50 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
To remind everyone. Pressures do not effect category but typically indicate strength of a storm. You can have a Cat 2 with Cat 4 pressures. If so it means the storm is typically very large and winds have yet to catch up in most cases.

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1144. icmoore 09:51 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
POSS T.C.F.A.
XX/INV/96L
MARK
22.11N/86.68W


Doesn't it look like more banding is occurring over northern FL? I was watching storms on the radar north of me forming and going out in the Gulf a little earlier. Maybe just stretching her muscle :)
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1145. opal92nwf 09:51 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
This seems to be a regular occurence the past five years (2007 onward). Texas/Louisiana/Mexico has been pummeled with 4 hurricanes (many of which were significant(Ike, Dolly, Gustav)), and 5 tropical storms. And for the Florida area, there have only been 4 tropical storms, with only one (Fay) being significant. I'm not wishcasting for Florida, but I'm just saying that the Western Gulf area has definetly had their share of storms in a very short period of time, and if this new storm (Debby) turns out to go to the Western Gulf, it would appear that we are continuing this pattern (not to say the rest of this hurricane season will only have Western Gulf Storms).
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1146. 1900hurricane 09:51 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting Hurricanes101:
I find it interesting that the surface analysis continues to keep this system further east than most of the models

Probably due to trends at the moment. They have plenty of time to change things further west if the models continue to trend that way, especially with the previously more eastward consensus that the models could possibly return to.
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1147. interstatelover7165 09:53 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
The fact that former Carlotta is helping form this storm reminds me of TD 11-E/Hermine in 2010.
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1149. PvilleTom 09:54 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting Pirate999:


I'm on galveston bay... That's exactly what I'll do.. Wait a few days and see how it shapes up.
I'm in Austin, but I'm supposed to travel for work to Texas City Mon-Wed next week. If a system is coming in like the latest ECMWF forecasts, I'll be putting that off. Lots of time between now and Sunday night for changes.
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1150. nigel20 09:54 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



You can see the colder SST'S in the eastern pacific left by hurricane Carlotta...
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1151. sporteguy03 09:54 PM GMT del 21 Giugno 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
The Barometer Bob show is tonight, correct?

correct.
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