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Wunderground launches new Local Climate Change section
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 06:10 PM GMT del 20 Aprile 2012 +42
In honor of Earth Day on Sunday, wunderground has launched a new Climate Change Center, which gives people resources to understand how the climate is changing both globally and in their local neighborhoods. I am particularly pleased with our Local Climate Change feature, which allows one to see how temperature and precipitation have changed over the past 100+ years at the nearest station with a long period of measurements. Predictions from climate models on what the next 100 years may bring are overlaid for each station. Data for most U.S. stations goes back to 1895; we have data for a few stations in Europe that extend back to the 1700s. Berlin has the longest period of record in this database, with data back to 1702.


Figure 1. Screenshot of the Local Climate Change page for Washington, DC. Measured temperatures since 1820 are shown in grey. By clicking on the "Show post-1900 trend:" box, we see that the trend since 1900 has been for an increase in temperature of 1.5°C (2.7°F) per century. Moving the thin vertical red line over the image using the mouse shows that the warmest year on record in Washington D.C. was 1991. Predictions for a future with low emissions of heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide are shown in yellow; the high emissions prediction is shown in red. Separate tabs are available to examine precipitation and snow.

Skeptical?
Also included in the new Climate Change Center is a section addressing the common skeptical arguments made against climate change. We offer three levels of explanation. The "Basic" level is the default, but one can also see more technical in-depth discussions by clicking on the "See All Explanation Levels" link. The material was developed by physicist John Cook for his excellent skepticalscience.com web site, which is widely referenced in the climate science communication community.


Video 1. I'm featured in this video on extreme weather and climate change done by veteran videographer Peter Sinclair for the Yale forum on Climate Change and the Media this month. I'm also featured in Part 1 of this series. Our new Climate Change Center has a section for climate change videos, which includes a twice-monthly feature from GreenTV detailing the world's notable wild weather events of the past two weeks.

Earth: the Operator's Manual airs Sunday night
Penn State climate scientist Dr. Richard Alley hosts parts II and III of Earth: the Operator's Manual on PBS beginning at 7pm Sunday, April 22--Earth Day. Part I of this excellent series aired in April 2011. The series gives an overview of climate change, but primarily focuses on what we can do to help slow down climate change though smart energy choices. Dr. Alley, a registered Republican, geologist, and former oil company employee, is the Evan Pugh Professor of Geosciences at the Pennsylvania State University, and one of the most respected and widely published world experts on climate change. Dr. Alley has testified before Congress on climate change issues, served as lead author of "Chapter 4: Observations: Changes in Snow, Ice and Frozen Ground" for the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and is author of more than 170 peer-reviewed scientific articles on Earth's climate. He is also the author of a book I highly recommend--The Two Mile Time Machine, a superb account of Earth's climate history as deduced from the 2-mile long Greenland ice cores. Dr. Alley is an excellent and engaging speaker, and I highly recommend listening to his 45-minute keynote speech, "The Biggest Control Knob: CO2 in Earth's Climate History", given at the 2010 American Geophysical Union meeting, via this very watchable recording showing his slides as he speaks in one corner of the video. If you want to understand why scientists are so certain of the link between CO2 and Earth's climate, this is a must-see lecture.

Have a great weekend, everyone, and I'll be back Monday with a new post. I'd like to thank Wunderground meteorologist, Angela Fritz for spearheading the creating the new Climate Change Center; it's a product I'll be referring to frequently in the future, and one we'll be updating in the coming months with data on local sea level rise, fire risk, and drought.

Jeff Masters
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1151. aspectre 01:44 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Inre earlier discussions of the lightning capital of the world: Venezuelsa's Catatumba lightning happens 140to160 nights a year, 10hours per day and up to 280times per hour,
and is thought to be the world's largest single generator of tropospheric ozone

1007 MAweatherboy1: You would laugh a million times harder if you looked at some of the comments made shortly after Don became a TS... People were calling for it to become a major hurricane, no joke!

Calling as in wishing that it would become a major hurricane: whatever could be even vaguely interpreted as a prediction of a major was swiftly shot down by the many.

Given the absurdly STRONG TexasHigh that was preventing any mitigation of the BigDrought, only a major (which tends to create its own steering environment) would have had any decent chance of penetrating inward.
Despite the NHC concensus of the path-predictions models saying otherwise, Don was heading relatively steadily for landfall in the least densely populated county in Texas, 2nd or 3rd least in the contiguousUS -- ~1 person per square mile -- for most of its lifetime in the Gulf.
Need to break the drought / high PLUS landfall of least possible harm EQUALS expectable wishing.

Heck, most of us were surprised that Don even made it to the coast of Texas what with the strong sheer vs relatively weak storm.
Admittedly watching DonWan disintegrate against the border gates with zero penetration was funny...
...or not, if one were Texan.
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1152. gordydunnot 01:46 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Sorry I was away from computer for awhile hit refresh. Didn't really work,i see on refresh system seems to be moving along now. Reference post 103 Never-mind.
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1153. nigel20 01:46 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
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1154. Skyepony (Mod) 01:48 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
I'm expecting it to intensify.

MLB NWS
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1155. TropicalAnalystwx13 01:49 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Severe Thunderstorms headed towards New York City at this time.



BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ
938 PM EDT SAT APR 21 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MOUNT HOLLY NJ HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
MERCER COUNTY IN CENTRAL NEW JERSEY...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF TRENTON...
WESTERN MONMOUTH COUNTY IN CENTRAL NEW JERSEY...
MIDDLESEX COUNTY IN NORTHERN NEW JERSEY...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF NEW BRUNSWICK...
SOUTHWESTERN MORRIS COUNTY IN NORTHERN NEW JERSEY...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF MORRISTOWN...
SOMERSET COUNTY IN NORTHERN NEW JERSEY...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF SOMERVILLE...
HUNTERDON COUNTY IN NORTHWEST NEW JERSEY...
SOUTHERN WARREN COUNTY IN NORTHWEST NEW JERSEY...
EASTERN BUCKS COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA...
SOUTHEASTERN MONTGOMERY COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA...
NORTHEASTERN PHILADELPHIA COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA...
NORTHWESTERN BURLINGTON COUNTY IN SOUTHERN NEW JERSEY...

* UNTIL 1045 PM EDT

* AT 935 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS IN
EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING
FROM FERNDALE TO RICHBORO TO HOLMESBURG...OR ALONG A LINE EXTENDING
FROM 10 MILES SOUTH OF EASTON TO 14 MILES WEST OF TRENTON TO 7
MILES NORTHEAST OF PHILADELPHIA...AND MOVING EAST AT 30 MPH.

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE NEAR...
BLOOMSBURY...MILFORD...BENSALEM AND NEWTOWN AROUND 945 PM EDT...
SERGEANTSVILLE...WOODSIDE AND WILLINGBORO AROUND 950 PM EDT...
SAND BROOK...YARDLEY AND LEVITTOWN AROUND 955 PM EDT...

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

THIS IS A DANGEROUS STORM. IF YOU ARE IN ITS PATH...PREPARE
IMMEDIATELY FOR DAMAGING WINDS...DESTRUCTIVE HAIL...AND DEADLY CLOUD
TO GROUND LIGHTNING. PEOPLE OUTSIDE SHOULD MOVE TO A SHELTER...
PREFERABLY INSIDE A STRONG BUILDING BUT AWAY FROM WINDOWS.

PLEASE REPORT HAIL OR STRONG WINDS TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BY
CALLING TOLL FREE...1-877-633-6772...WHEN YOU CAN DO SO SAFELY.

&&

LAT...LON 4017 7441 4008 7455 4005 7454 3997 7502
3998 7501 4000 7504 3997 7511 4028 7510
4058 7527 4062 7519 4066 7520 4093 7454
4070 7442 4067 7445 4066 7439 4061 7443
4060 7436 4045 7427 4017 7428
TIME...MOT...LOC 0138Z 255DEG 25KT 4056 7513 4030 7498
4006 7500

$$
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1156. Tropicsweatherpr 01:51 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting nigel20:


The Eastern Pacific looks toasty early and Aletta when it forms,will have the fuel needed.
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1157. TampaSpin 01:53 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
US National Weather Service Tampa Bay Florida
Thunderstorms continue to become better organized over the Gulf of Mexico to the east of Tampa Bay and the Nature Coast. Additional more discrete storms are trying to form further south to the west of Ft. Myers. All this activity will be approaching the coast over the next several hours with the threat for heavy rains, frequent lightning, and gusty winds. Stay tuned to NOAA weather radio and local media outlets for additional information on these storms any potential warnings.
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1158. Chicklit 01:54 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Water vapor shows the low still pretty far off shore.
LinkWV Loop

Anyway, night all.
I hope Florida gets some rain out of this without too much wind damage.
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1159. nigel20 01:54 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Looking back at a couple pics from hurricane IKe and I really think the that storm surge should be a factor when rating hurricane categories
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1160. charlottefl 01:55 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
From NWS Ruskin:

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1161. reedzone 01:56 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Looped the water vapor image of the GOM.. I noticed how the ULL connected with the cold front, blew convection (not strong) but seems like more storms will be popping up soon below the first cluster, then organize into a squall line. This is why NWS is saying that conditions are favorable for more storms to develop overnight.
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1162. hurricanealley 01:58 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting charlottefl:
From NWS Ruskin:



Seems like most of the storms will stay north of us. Good News!
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1163. Littleninjagrl 01:58 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting reedzone:
I did say a small, potent squall line would possibly form out of those cells, guess I was right. Looking pretty bad for Tampa. I think my cells will develop further south as the instability increases.


Why do you say Tampa? I live in Tampa. I wanna know!! LOL
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1164. nigel20 01:59 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


The Eastern Pacific looks toasty early and Aletta will have the fuel needed.

Yeah, wind shear is relatively low and the monsoon trough is moving north...so there maybe an early start to the eastern pacific hurricane season
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1165. OrchidGrower 02:00 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Re: #1160 --- boy, I hope they're right. After days of hype, all that came ashore in Cape Coral today was a couple bands of light rain, though I could see heavier showers rolling ashore in Charlotte Harbor. I'm grateful to have gotten a decent rain last night, and the cloud cover helped us keep the bit of rain that fell today, but we sure need a lot more. Especially if we're about to have some seriously dry air and wind come pouring in behind all this.
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1166. nigel20 02:02 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Just finished the construction of my website...here it is:

Continental Weather

It's not much, but it will have to suffice for now considering I spent my money on GREarth and other things.

Well done TAwx13...i'll visit the site when I can
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1167. reedzone 02:04 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting Littleninjagrl:


Why do you say Tampa? I live in Tampa. I wanna know!! LOL


Just look at the radar and see for yourself, Cluster of storms organizing into a small squall line. However, I believe more storms will be forming south of that cluster as well, thus creating a longer squall line, as forecast.
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1168. Jedkins01 02:07 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Yeah, there is enough there to support severe on the West Coast of Florida, looking much more impressive than earlier this afternoon.



















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1169. bohonkweatherman 02:10 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting Naga5000:
So far, I've received a whopping .06 inches a about 1/4 mile from downtown Orlando. Not a very exciting day here.
That is what I have received here the past 33 days, darn drought has returned to my area, getting very dry here again.
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1170. Littleninjagrl 02:11 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting reedzone:


Just look at the radar and see for yourself, Cluster of storms organizing into a small squall line. However, I believe more storms will be forming south of that cluster as well, thus creating a longer squall line, as forecast.


meh...im not letting my guard down but after this afternoon, im not getting my hopes up either. It rained for 20 minutes here in my area of Tampa. (Town n Country) apparently it was supposed to be much worse. I saw the radar but I'll check again before I go to bed to be sure. thanks so much for responding. I think I am just getting tired of all the news stations hyping things up for no reason. Thank YOU so much for responding to my question.
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1171. BrickellBreeze 02:12 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Squall Line looks like it is intensifying.
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1172. Jedkins01 02:12 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting reedzone:


Just look at the radar and see for yourself, Cluster of storms organizing into a small squall line. However, I believe more storms will be forming south of that cluster as well, thus creating a longer squall line, as forecast.



Also thunderstorms are filling in the low center as well, so there will be the squall line and then the low center with cells scattered about, the biggest tornado potential will be with individual cells of course. I'm not seeing any super cells yet though, just strong thunderstorm cells.
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1173. washingtonian115 02:12 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting nigel20:
Looking back at a couple pics from hurricane IKe and I really think the that storm surge should be a factor when rating hurricane categories
I still cry when I look at that pick.Those peoples lives just ruined and gone just like that.The people who were affected/witnessed Ike will surly not forget that storm for a looong time.I know i won't...
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1174. TropicalAnalystwx13 02:13 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
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1175. Jedkins01 02:16 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0579
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0910 PM CDT SAT APR 21 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...WRN PORTIONS OF THE CNTRL AND SRN FL PENINSULA

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH POSSIBLE

VALID 220210Z - 220315Z

A STRONG TO LOWER END SEVERE STRAIGHT-LINE WIND GUST RISK MAY MOVE
ONSHORE NEAR THE TAMPA/ST. PETE METRO IN A FEW HOURS. A POTENTIALLY
GREATER SEVERE THREAT MAY EVOLVE FARTHER S WHERE A MORE UNSTABLE
AIRMASS MAY DEVELOP LATER THIS EVENING AND POSE AN ISOLD DMGG WIND
AND PERHAPS ISOLD TORNADO THREAT CONTINGENT LARGELY UPON SUPERCELL
DEVELOPMENT. CONVECTIVE TRENDS WILL CONTINUE TO BE MONITORED.

LATEST SURFACE/RADAR MESOANALYSIS PLACES AN INTENSIFYING QLCS 40 MI
W OF PINELLAS COUNTY MOVING TOWARDS THE COAST AS TEMPS HOLD STEADY
NEAR 70 DEG F NEAR THE COASTLINE. WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS A
POWERFUL UPPER TROUGH/ATTENDANT VORT MAX MOVING ENEWD ACROSS THE ERN
GULF -- AND FORCING FOR ASCENT ATTENDANT TO THIS FEATURE WILL LIKELY
CONTINUE TO AID MAINTAINING UPDRAFT VIGOR FOR THE QLCS THE NEXT FEW
HOURS. WITH THAT STATED...CONSIDERABLE CONVECTIVE OVERTURNING OVER
THE REGION DURING THE PAST 24 HRS HAS LIMITED THE DEGREE OF
INSTABILITY VIA MARGINAL LAPSE RATES DESPITE MID 60S DEWPOINTS /REF.
00Z TBW RAOB/. FARTHER S...THERE IS HIGHER










CONFIDENCE THAT SLIGHTLY
GREATER MLCAPE /400-800 J/KG/ WILL DEVELOP AS THE AIRMASS CONTINUES
TO RECOVER. ADDITIONALLY...STRENGTHENING WIND PROFILES OWING TO THE
APPROACH OF THE UPPER TROUGH AND AN INCREASING SWLY LLJ /35 KTS/ BY
06Z MAY LEAD TO GREATER POTENTIAL FOR ISOLD UPDRAFT ROTATION AND
POSSIBLE WIND DAMAGE AND TORNADO RISKS.

..SMITH.. 04/22/2012


ATTN...WFO...MFL...MLB...KEY...TBW...

LAT...LON 25648193 27128285 28218303 28708234 28628167 27808114
25788077 24768118 24648164 25648193
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1176. TropicalAnalystwx13 02:17 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
It is currently snowing in northeast Minnesota. Areas not too far to the southwest dealt with Severe Weather, including funnel clouds/tornadoes earlier this afternoon.

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1177. charlottefl 02:17 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
If you switch to Key West radar you'll see that the line extends all the way down almost to Key West, although the southern portion is more discrete cells as opposed to a solid line. However that line is filling in.
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1178. ProgressivePulse 02:18 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
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1179. FLWaterFront 02:19 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting reedzone:


Just look at the radar and see for yourself, Cluster of storms organizing into a small squall line. However, I believe more storms will be forming south of that cluster as well, thus creating a longer squall line, as forecast.


That squall line may not even be so small anymore, Reed. I know though that you are trying to be cautious.

But you know what? Caution or no, this is really an unusual situation for this part of the US. Just for one thing, having such a big U/L low in conjunction with a surface low and a rapidly developing MCS system is very rare in Florida.

As a result, we really don't know exactly what to expect, but the mets are getting more and more concerned, though restrained, as usual.
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1180. Jedkins01 02:25 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting FLWaterFront:


That squall line may not even be so small anymore, Reed. I know though that you are trying to be cautious.

But you know what? Caution or no, this is really an unusual situation for this part of the US. Just for one thing, having such a big U/L low in conjunction with a surface low and a rapidly developing MCS system is very rare in Florida.

As a result, we really don't know exactly what to expect, but the mets are getting more and more concerned, though restrained, as usual.



The one fortunate thing is total energy available for these storms will be limited because early activity. If we had heating all day we would be talking about a scary severe threat. The SPC notes that while intense storms are headed towards Tampa Bay, its hard to say if there will be any severe winds making it to the surface, the upper low is producing elevated instability but the surface is still a bit sketchy.

We shall see, recent frames suggest the line has weakened slightly, probably due to more stable air near the coast, we'll see what happens. I'm not sure if strong storms will hold across the state though, its very stable in the eastern 2/3 of Florida.


One thing to note is there will be a boost of energy moving in from west overnight in the form of a vort max embedded in the main vort center of the low will rotate east across the gulf overnight, I'm not sure if its affecting the MCS or not yet though, we'll watch it and see if it ramps back up, it's not looking quite as strong as last hour.
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1181. aspectre 02:25 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Patrap: Pitcher Born on 21st of December Throws 21st Perfect Game In MLB History on the 21st of April
1048 skook: Random numbers, please stay on topic, with all the inclement weather happening.

I've seen very little on the topic of blog2007: ClimateChange and local climate change.
(sotto*voce) talk about folks bein' contrarian...

Instead folks have been goin' gaga over possible weather that a few years^ago would have been regarded in Florida as expectable&unexciting as the possibility of rainfall in SouthernCalifornia.
And like SoCal TVweather shows lookin' at rainfall, it's been all STORM WATCH 2012 in here.

* Considering what happens on topic-blogs that mention neither GlobalWarming nor ClimateChange
^ ie pre(obvious)ClimateChange

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1182. nigel20 02:25 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting washingtonian115:
I still cry when I look at that pick.Those peoples lives just ruined and gone just like that.The people who were affected/witnessed Ike will surly not forget that storm for a looong time.I know i won't...

Agreed
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1183. luvtogolf 02:27 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting BrickellBreeze:
Squall Line looks like it is intensifying.
Quoting BrickellBreeze:
Squall Line looks like it is intensifying.


It does right now. It is also starting to bow out which could mean some pretty good straight line winds. However, these storms tend to weaken right before they hit the coast (just like we saw earlier today). Let's see if the dynamics are right for the line to hold together.
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1184. charlottefl 02:27 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    


THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN RUSKIN HAS ISSUED A



* SPECIAL MARINE WARNING FOR...

WATERS FROM BONITA BEACH TO ENGLEWOOD FL OUT 20 TO 60 NM...

WATERS FROM ENGLEWOOD TO TARPON SPRINGS FL OUT 20 TO 60 NM...

WATERS FROM TARPON SPRINGS TO SUWANNEE RIVER FL OUT 20 TO 60 NM...

COASTAL WATERS FROM ENGLEWOOD TO TARPON SPRINGS FL OUT 20 NM...

COASTAL WATERS FROM TARPON SPRINGS TO SUWANNEE RIVER FL OUT 20

NM...

INCLUDING ANCLOTE KEY...ARIPEKA...BAYPORT...CLEARWATER BEACH...

DUNEDIN...INDIAN ROCKS BEACH...JOHNS PASS...OZELLO...PASS-A-GRILLE

CHANNEL...PORT RICHEY AND SAINT PETE BEACH...



* UNTIL 1130 PM EDT



* AT 1021 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A

LINE OF THUNDERSTORMS...PRODUCING STRONG WINDS 34 KNOTS OR

GREATER... FROM 30 NM NORTHWEST OF ANCLOTE KEY TO 53 NM SOUTHWEST

OF M13 REEF...OR FROM 30 NM NORTHWEST OF ANCLOTE KEY TO 23 NM WEST

OF INDIAN ROCKS BEACH..MOVING EAST AT 30 KNOTS.
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1185. FLWaterFront 02:43 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting Jedkins01:



The one fortunate thing is total energy available for these storms will be limited because early activity. If we had heating all day we would be talking about a scary severe threat. The SPC notes that while intense storms are headed towards Tampa Bay, its hard to say if there will be any severe winds making it to the surface, the upper low is producing elevated instability but the surface is still a bit sketchy.

We shall see, recent frames suggest the line has weakened slightly, probably due to more stable air near the coast, we'll see what happens. I'm not sure if strong storms will hold across the state though, its very stable in the eastern 2/3 of Florida.


One thing to note is there will be a boost of energy moving in from west overnight in the form of a vort max embedded in the main vort center of the low will rotate east across the gulf overnight, I'm not sure if its affecting the MCS or not yet though, we'll watch it and see if it ramps back up, it's not looking quite as strong as last hour.


Is it really weakening? I think it did weaken, very briefly, but then it has started to regenerate again. I could be wrong though, it is a very fluid situation.

Notice that discreet cells are now rapidly developing and moving onshore in Pinellas County. That is because the dry slot finally came far enough east to clear the coast and is now dissipating over land.. I think. But clearly the atmosphere near the coast is moistening rapidly.

I think that vort max you mentioned is pushing into this thing from behind, possibly enough to simply sweep away all the former stability and cool air along the coast.

Another thing. I just went outside and counted 25 lightning flashes in 60 seconds. That is a rate of one every 2.4 seconds or so. Does not seem week to me, as many of these were clearly cloud to (water) surface as opposed to cloud to cloud.
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1186. Twinkster 02:44 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting FLWaterFront:


Is it really weakening? I think it did weaken, very briefly, but then it has started to regenerate again. I could be wrong though, it is a very fluid situation.

Notice that discreet cells are now rapidly developing and moving onshore in Pinellas County. That is because the dry slot finally came far enough east to clear the coast and is now dissipating over land.. I think. But clearly the atmosphere near the coast is moistening rapidly.

I think that vort max you mentioned is pushing into this thing from behind, possibly enough to simply sweep away all the former stability and cool air along the coast.

Another thing. I just went outside and counted 25 lightning flashes in 60 seconds. That is a rate of one every 2.4 seconds or so. Does not seem week to me, as many of these were clearly cloud to (water) surface as opposed to cloud to cloud.


there are more factors than just the atmosphere moistening
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1187. FLWaterFront 02:48 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Those discreet storms developing well to the west of Lee, Charlotte and Sarasota counties have the look of super cells in the making, to me.
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1188. Littleninjagrl 02:56 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Our weather man just said "hold on to your hats cuz here it comes" I went outside and all i see are stars. What the heck?
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1189. Jedkins01 02:59 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting FLWaterFront:


Is it really weakening? I think it did weaken, very briefly, but then it has started to regenerate again. I could be wrong though, it is a very fluid situation.

Notice that discreet cells are now rapidly developing and moving onshore in Pinellas County. That is because the dry slot finally came far enough east to clear the coast and is now dissipating over land.. I think. But clearly the atmosphere near the coast is moistening rapidly.

I think that vort max you mentioned is pushing into this thing from behind, possibly enough to simply sweep away all the former stability and cool air along the coast.

Another thing. I just went outside and counted 25 lightning flashes in 60 seconds. That is a rate of one every 2.4 seconds or so. Does not seem week to me, as many of these were clearly cloud to (water) surface as opposed to cloud to cloud.



Yeah that weakening I saw was temporary, I know that small cells are developing ahead of the line and feeding into it, showing that a well established low level jet has developed which should keep it strong as it moves in, as you noticed it also shows the dry iair is eroding.


Also, I want you too look at the long range radar, look closely and behind this line of storms approaching is an additional band of showers/storms and its racing east, that may be the additional push of energy as it it should normally be very stable in that area in the wake of the current line.


I only first wondered if it would hold together only cause of the stable layer, but it looks like its eroding.
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1190. charlottefl 03:02 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Local Met says he believes they'll hold together. I think the environment is becoming more favorable for intense storms. Doesn't mean they won't cycle in strength. All storms do eventually.
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1191. animalrsq 03:03 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting nigel20:
Looking back at a couple pics from hurricane IKe and I really think the that storm surge should be a factor when rating hurricane categories


Man, I spent weeks on that road at that time.
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1192. Jedkins01 03:08 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting Littleninjagrl:
Our weather man just said "hold on to your hats cuz here it comes" I went outside and all i see are stars. What the heck?




The earth is curved and its even that much harder to see approaching weather at night, just watch the radar. That's what it is for, lol.
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1193. luvtogolf 03:08 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting charlottefl:
Local Met says he believes they'll hold together. I think the environment is becoming more favorable for intense storms. Doesn't mean they won't cycle in strength. All storms do eventually.


Definately not as strong as it was 40min ago. It was a solid line with deep reds and now it is more broken and not as defined. this sure seems to happen a lot off our coast.
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1194. Jedkins01 03:08 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
TORNADO WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE FOR WT 186
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1110 PM EDT SAT APR 21 2012

TORNADO WATCH 186 IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 700 AM EDT FOR THE
FOLLOWING LOCATIONS

FLC009-011-015-017-021-027-043-049-051-053-055-05 7-061-071-081-
085-086-087-093-097-099-101-103-105-111-115-119-2 21100-
/O.NEW.KWNS.TO.A.0186.120422T0310Z-120422T1100Z/

FL
. FLORIDA COUNTIES INCLUDED ARE

BREVARD BROWARD CHARLOTTE
CITRUS COLLIER DESOTO
GLADES HARDEE HENDRY
HERNANDO HIGHLANDS HILLSBOROUGH
INDIAN RIVER LEE MANATEE
MARTIN MIAMI-DADE MONROE
OKEECHOBEE OSCEOLA PALM BEACH
PASCO PINELLAS POLK
SARASOTA ST. LUCIE SUMTER
$$

TORNADO WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE FOR WT 186
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1110 PM EDT SAT APR 21 2012

TORNADO WATCH 186 IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 700 AM EDT FOR THE
FOLLOWING LOCATIONS

AMZ552-555-610-630-650-651-GMZ656-657-830-850-853 -856-221100-
/O.NEW.KWNS.TO.A.0186.120422T0310Z-120422T1100Z/

CW

. ADJACENT COASTAL WATERS INCLUDED ARE

VOLUSIA-BREVARD COUNTY LINE TO SEBASTIAN INLET 0-20 NM

SEBASTIAN INLET TO JUPITER INLET 0-20 NM

LAKE OKEECHOBEE

BISCAYNE BAY

COASTAL WATERS FROM JUPITER INLET TO DEERFIELD BEACH FL OUT 20 NM

COASTAL WATERS FROM DEERFIELD BEACH TO OCEAN REEF FL OUT 20 NM

COASTAL WATERS FROM CHOKOLOSKEE TO BONITA BEACH FL OUT 20 NM

COASTAL WATERS FROM EAST CAPE SABLE TO CHOKOLOSKEE FL OUT 20 NM

TAMPA BAY WATERS

COASTAL WATERS FROM TARPON SPRINGS TO SUWANNEE RIVER FL OUT 20 NM

COASTAL WATERS FROM ENGLEWOOD TO TARPON SPRINGS FL OUT 20 NM

COASTAL WATERS FROM BONITA BEACH TO ENGLEWOOD FL OUT 20 NM

$$
ATTN...WFO...MLB...TBW...MFL...KEY...
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1195. Littleninjagrl 03:09 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting Jedkins01:




The earth is curved and its even that much harder to see approaching weather at night, just watch the radar. That's what it is for, lol.


LOL yes....I looked. Dont think I will get much. Looks like North of me is gonna get some good rain.
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1196. charlottefl 03:09 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Jed, shouldn't be too far offshore from you now. That line looks pretty intense.
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1197. nigel20 03:10 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting animalrsq:


Man, I spent weeks on that road at that time.

I'm sure that all the people that experience Ike would not want to experience anything similar....the damage was really extreme
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1198. Littleninjagrl 03:10 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting luvtogolf:


Definately not as strong as it was 40min ago. It was a solid line with deep reds and now it is more broken and not as defined. this sure seems to happen a lot off our coast.


Yeah....im going to bed. I think this is a DUD once again. good night all. Hope any of you that may get the bad weather stay safe.
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1199. WxGeekVA 03:14 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAMPA BAY AREA - RUSKIN FL
1112 PM EDT SAT APR 21 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN RUSKIN HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
WESTERN HERNANDO COUNTY IN FLORIDA.
NORTHWESTERN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IN FLORIDA.
WESTERN PASCO COUNTY IN FLORIDA.
PINELLAS COUNTY IN FLORIDA.

* UNTIL MIDNIGHT EDT

* AT 1103 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS IN
EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING
FROM 21 MILES WEST OF HUDSON TO 14 MILES WEST OF INDIAN ROCKS
BEACH...OR ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM 21 MILES WEST OF HUDSON TO
18 MILES WEST OF SEMINOLE...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 30 MPH.

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE NEAR...
SEMINOLE.
LARGO.
PINELLAS PARK.
PORT RICHEY.
NEW PORT RICHEY.
OLDSMAR.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A TORNADO WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE WARNED AREA. IF A TORNADO
IS SPOTTED...ACT QUICKLY AND MOVE TO A PLACE OF SAFETY IN A STURDY
STRUCTURE...SUCH AS A BASEMENT OR SMALL INTERIOR ROOM.

A TORNADO WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 700 AM EDT SUNDAY MORNING FOR
SOUTHWESTERN FLORIDA.

&&

LAT...LON 2822 8285 2819 8283 2822 8278 2844 8268
2866 8269 2866 8246 2793 8254 2796 8266
2798 8262 2800 8264 2795 8271 2784 8255
2780 8281 2791 8286 2808 8285 2806 8279
2813 8279 2818 8282 2817 8286 2821 8286
TIME...MOT...LOC 0312Z 240DEG 27KT 2849 8295 2790 8301
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1200. FLWaterFront 03:14 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Quoting charlottefl:
Jed, shouldn't be too far offshore from you now. That line looks pretty intense.


Yes, rotation signatures in it too.

And yes Jed, I notice the complex behind this line, with lightning and probably hail in that (it is right in the heart of the cold air pool aloft).
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1201. Tribucanes 03:14 AM GMT del 22 Aprile 2012    
Tornado watch just issued for central and southern Florida.
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