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Western Caribbean disturbance 96L growing more organized
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 05:14 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011 +23
A region of disturbed weather in the Western Caribbean (Invest 96L) is bringing heavy rains to coastal Nicaragua, and has the potential to develop into a tropical depression this weekend. Visible satellite loops show that 96L is beginning to show signs of organization. Some rotation is apparent, and the upper-level cirrus clouds streaming away from the center indicate that 96L is establishing an upper-level outflow channel to the east. The heavy thunderstorm activity is quite limited at present, because a large region of dry air to the east of 96L is interfering with development, as seen on water vapor satellite loops. An ASCAT pass at 11:05 am EDT showed no signs of a surface circulation, with surface winds in the 25 - 30 mph range. Surface pressures are slowly falling at San Andres Island, near the center of 96L. Wind shear is a moderate 10 - 20 knots in the region, and is expected remain in the moderate range through Monday. Water temperatures are very warm, 29 - 30°C, and these warm waters extend to great depth.


Figure 1. Afternoon satellite image of 96L.

Forecast for 96L
The moderate wind shear and warm waters should allow some modest development of 96L over the next few days, though this will be slowed by the dry air to the storm's east. The models are quite enthusiastic about developing 96L into a tropical depression, and our top four reliable models for forecasting genesis--the ECMWF, GFS, UKMET, and NOGAPS--have all been predicting formation of a tropical depression by Monday in one or more of their runs over the past day. 96L is in an area of weak steering currents, and will move little over the next three days. On Tuesday and Wednesday, a strong trough of low pressure will be passing over the Eastern U.S., and this trough has the potential to turn 96L northwards into Cuba. This is more likely to happen if 96L is stronger and deeper, and thus able to "feel" the upper-level winds the trough will bring. The 12Z run of the GFS model and 00Z runs of the ECMWF and UKMET models predict 96L will develop into a tropical storm that hits Western Cuba on Wednesday or Thursday, and potentially affecting the Cayman Islands, South Florida, and the Bahamas as well. If 96L remains a weak and shallow system, it is more likely to stay trapped in the Western Caribbean and make landfall in Nicaragua. This is the solution of the NOGAPS model, which has 96L moving ashore on Tuesday over Nicaragua as a weak system. NHC gave 96L a 30% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Sunday in their 8 am Tropical Weather Outlook. A hurricane hunter mission is scheduled to investigate 96L Saturday afternoon.

I'll have a new post on Saturday, but might wait until the afternoon, when the hurricane hunter data becomes available.

Jeff Masters
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151. Cotillion 08:49 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
*WARNING* A link about global warming.

(Can't complain then ;) )

Link

But I was told it was only the government that cared?
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152. washingtonian115 08:50 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Anyone ever notice from 1973 to 1977, each season had 20+ cyclones in the Atlantic, but only like 7 or 10 where named? Everything else was a tropical depression or sub-tropical, unbelievable.
could we be possibly entering a period like that?.
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153. WeatherNerdPR 08:50 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Good Afternoon. Two invests now? Not surprising.
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154. charlottefl 08:52 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting indianrivguy:


I think you are both correct. As the track shifted east, so did the forecasts. They just didn't see the nudge east becoming a shove. Then the dang thing turned into an F-3 tornado 15 miles wide.



A lot of the damage in Charley was from "mini swirls" , (high shear zones in the eyewall producing rotating vorticies with damage of greater intensity than the hurricane itself), similar to a tornado. You can do some research on it. Ted Fujita was the one who coined the term. All I know is the wind was intense. Down the road about a mile and a half they recorded a wind gust to 174 mph before the instrument failed, long before the lowest pressure was reached.
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155. TropicalAnalystwx13 08:53 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Anyone ever notice from 1973 to 1977, each season had 20+ cyclones in the Atlantic, but only like 7 or 10 where named? Everything else was a tropical depression or sub-tropical, unbelievable.


1975: 27 tropical depressions, 9 tropical storms, 6 hurricanes, 3 major hurricanes.

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156. washingtonian115 08:54 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting WeatherNerdPR:
Good Afternoon. Two invests now? Not surprising.
Looks like what may become "Rina" will probally be the big finally of the season.And whatever becomes of 97L may become the closing out or conclusion.
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157. CybrTeddy 08:56 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


1975: 27 tropical depressions, 9 tropical storms, 6 hurricanes, 3 major hurricanes.



Very unusual. With modern data.. I'd be willing to bet the 1975 hurricane season would be more like 27 tropical depression, 18 tropical storms, 6 hurricanes, and 3 majors.
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158. TropicalAnalystwx13 08:56 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting wn1995:


Which may not be too long. Looks like we may see it named late tonight or tomorrow.

Yeah, tomorrow seems like a good time.

---

I've not done one of these in a while..

Q: What will the NHC give 96L at 8PM?


A. 60%
B. 70%
C. 80%
D. 90%
E. Higher or lower

Q: What will the NHC give 97L at 8PM?

A. 20%
B. 30%
C. 40%
D. 50%
E. Higher or lower
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159. plywoodstatenative 08:57 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
97L Water Vapor


96L


Now tell me from Navy Water vapor imagery, which of these two systems appears to be more organized?
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160. WeatherNerdPR 08:58 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting washingtonian115:
Looks like what may become "Rina" will probally be the big finally of the season.And whatever becomes of 97L may become the closing out or conclusion.

We might see a couple of storms after these two, but seems 96L and 97L will be the last significant ones IMO.
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161. CybrTeddy 08:58 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
158. There has been little change in organization in either system, so 60% on 96L and 20% on 97L seems pretty likely to me.
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162. Seflhurricane 08:58 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Yeah, tomorrow seems like a good time.

---

I've not done one of these in a while..

Q: What will the NHC give 96L at 8PM?


A. 60%
B. 70%
C. 80%
D. 90%
E. Higher or lower

Q: What will the NHC give 97L at 8PM?

A. 20%
B. 30%
C. 40%
D. 50%
E. Higher or lower
B for 96l and b for 97l
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163. TropicalAnalystwx13 08:58 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting plywoodstatenative:
97L Water Vapor


96L


Now tell me from Navy Water vapor imagery, which of these two systems appears to be more organized?

96L.
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164. JrWeathermanFL 09:00 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Doesnt it look like in 97L a competing center?
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165. plywoodstatenative 09:01 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
The thing is we could have two hurricanes or even one hurricane and one major. The item is that nothing really has been able to hold it together that far east, in reference to 97, if it does maintain itself it will get interesting. Looks like the Hunters have a busy weekend with both of them firing up, The thing is are there any Highs forecasted to move into either of the locations where these two are forming?
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166. WeatherNerdPR 09:03 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting JrWeathermanFL:
Doesnt it look like in 97L a competing center?

97L is rather broad, and is still trying to get a dominant center.
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167. washingtonian115 09:06 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting WeatherNerdPR:

We might see a couple of storms after these two, but seems 96L and 97L will be the last significant ones IMO.
I agree with 96L and 97L(A.K.A twins) will probally be the last significant ones.After that we may still have the potential for a November hurricane but all I see for the rest of this season after Mid-November is sheared tropical systems.
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168. WeatherNerdPR 09:07 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting washingtonian115:
I agree with 96L and 97L(A.K.A twins) will probally be the last significant ones.After that we may still have the potential for a November hurricane but all I see for the rest of this season after Mid-November is sheared tropical systems.

Agreed.
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169. Bergeron 09:07 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
158. There has been little change in organization in either system, so 60% on 96L and 20% on 97L seems pretty likely to me.


Sounds about right.
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170. indianrivguy 09:09 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting charlottefl:


A lot of the damage in Charley was from "mini swirls" , (high shear zones in the eyewall producing rotating vorticies with damage of greater intensity than the hurricane itself), similar to a tornado. You can do some research on it. Ted Fujita was the one who coined the term. All I know is the wind was intense. Down the road about a mile and a half they recorded a wind gust to 174 mph before the instrument failed, long before the lowest pressure was reached.


Yea, it was an eyewall vorticie that almost got the Doc on his trip into Hugo.

During hurricane Cleo, one of those came through the neighborhood while we were in the eyewall band. You could follow the damage for a block. A tree here, corner of a roof there, flipped a car, twisted two trees in the next door neighbors yard at the base and then tore the backside of our tree, and the one across the street etc... It was jumping up and down as it went, lucky it went over our house with definite spin damage on both sides.

I saw a lot of evidence of that after Andrew too. Lots.

I have always been wary about a storm spinning up just before landfal like Charlie, but to late to move. Didn't matter until I lived ON Indian river... I evacuated for Francis and Jeanne. No surge or erosion issues with Wilma so I stayed.
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171. washingtonian115 09:13 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Ewww TWC(Which I will not call them any more)has turned into a NBC news rip-off.Since when does the weather channel start caring about different foods/beers for fall?.And all of a sudden had an obsession for football??.And talk about stories unrealted to weather??.And to top it all off have videos on there site thats retared in so many ways.
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172. wn1995 09:15 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Yeah, tomorrow seems like a good time.

---

I've not done one of these in a while..

Q: What will the NHC give 96L at 8PM?


A. 60%
B. 70%
C. 80%
D. 90%
E. Higher or lower

Q: What will the NHC give 97L at 8PM?

A. 20%
B. 30%
C. 40%
D. 50%
E. Higher or lower


B and A
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173. washingtonian115 09:20 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Sorry peeps about my rant on the NBC-rip off.
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175. TropicalAnalystwx13 09:22 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting BackwoodsTN:
OMG. I love it. Today, we have a couple of puny invests that a couple models blow up to become big, bad, dangerous hurricanes. LOL.

You think you guys would learn be now. You dorks come out of the woodwork every chance you get whenever a computer models spits out a fantasy run for you--taking a cane toward America.

But I got news for you. No way the Caribbean disturbance gets as far North as Cuba, before being kicked away by the series of troughs and jet protecting the GOM.

And well, the other one...that'll end up being another Emily.

Next please...

Maybe you need to learn a thing or two before coming to post here.

Big, fat -1 for you.
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178. TropicalAnalystwx13 09:26 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting BullShoalsAR:

Leave it alone man. Quoting it just fuels it. Over 10,000 posts and I'd expect a little more common sense from you.

Well then, why'd you like my post? :P

Yeah, I know I'm not supposed to quote people like that...but it happens sometimes.
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179. TropicalAnalystwx13 09:31 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
The pressure at San Andres Island, Colombia is 29.76 and slowly falling.

Note: 29.76 inHg = 1007.79 or ~1007.8.
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180. CybrTeddy 09:34 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
174.

I got news for you also buddy. If you don't like it here, then by all means, no, as a matter of fact, I insist, don't the door hit you in the rear end on the way out, as its pretty obvious what deck your playing with here..
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181. hurricaneeye 09:37 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting capelookout:

You're right about none of these storms getting anywhere near America.


America?

North America, Central America, or South America?

Be careful when saying America. Latin Americans are Americans as well, technically.
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182. WeatherNerdPR 09:40 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting capelookout:

You're right about none of these storms getting anywhere near America. .

Excuse me, but America is anywhere from Canada to Argentina. I think you mean The United States of America.
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184. CaribBoy 09:41 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
97L = 1999 JOSE or close to it! Very interesting! I think it will track more NW that W... It's late october guys!
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185. hurricaneeye 09:42 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting BackwoodsTN:

America is the U.S.


No, im sorry. You are the United States of America
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186. washingtonian115 09:44 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Maybe you need to learn a thing or two before coming to post here.

Big, fat -1 for you.
I Laugh at people like those.And you should to.Their nothing but a joke.It's obvious they have no lives or nothing better else to do besides try to put people down.Hilarious.
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188. CybrTeddy 09:46 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
We're just dealing with your typical arse-hats here, just flag and ignore. Satellite image of 96L.


Convection fading as unsurprising due to DMIN atm.
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190. CybrTeddy 09:49 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
187. Just when I thought you already had said the most idiotic statement of the night, you keep on talking. Where do I say they will come to Florida Panhandle?? What the heck are you talking about? Find a post, quote me. I'll explain the meaning - not that you'll listen anyways, mind you I don't think you'd listen if it was screamed in your ear. I've been in hurricanes, bad ones. I was in Isabel in 2003, I moved to FL in 2004, bad timing. I experienced Charley, Frances, and Jeanne, then I had to go through Katrina in the FL hit and Wilma. Do I like hurricanes? No. Would I want one to hit me? No. I'll take my own advise here now, your going on ignore. Hopefully, an admin will pick you up too. Sorry that I'm ranting here folks, back to subject.
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191. TropicalAnalystwx13 09:51 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
I almost quoted him again...but I caught myself.

Its so hard for me because I'm a teenager, and you know how we are. :P
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192. washingtonian115 09:51 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
I'am like laughing my a** off right now.Who else is?.I know there's other people.This is bloody funny.
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193. violet312s 09:52 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
LOL..local NC Met has issued a "snuggle watch" due to cold weather tonight. Probably to be upgraded to a "snuggle warning". Followed by "Cats-a-clinging Warning" overnight.

Note: It's State Fair time here plus Friday football.

I had a good laugh at that.
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194. Neapolitan 09:54 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Guys, please just ignore the very obvious trolls. They're simply people disgruntled about being banned some weeks/months ago, so they visit several times a day looking to cause a bit of trouble so they can feel better about their little selves. Just report and ignore, as the rules say, and we can help make this a friendlier, happier place. Thanks!
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196. washingtonian115 09:55 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Post 190.Wow to move to Florida in 2004 was bad timing.But no one knew Florida was gonna get hammered the way it did.And then 2005 came along......,
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197. washingtonian115 09:57 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
I almost quoted him again...but I caught myself.

Its so hard for me because I'm a teenager, and you know how we are. :P
Yes I have to deal with your type on the train when I'm coming back from work.Lol.
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198. weaverwxman 09:57 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
I don't think it is that funny everytime there might be a possibility of a storm coming this way even when it has not formed yet the instigators come out of the woodwork and all of you quote them and feed them UGGGG.
If 96L forms and I do Mean if the timing of the next front may be the significant player and it MAY get close to the Fla coast because that is the only way for it to go unless it stays basically where it is now weak and meandering then it will go harmlessly away. JMO.
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199. washingtonian115 10:01 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Quoting weaverwxman:
I don't think it is that funny everytime there might be a possibility of a storm coming this way even when it has not formed yet the instigators come out of the woodwork and all of you quote them and feed them UGGGG.
If 96L forms and I do Mean if the timing of the next front may be the significant player and it MAY get close to the Fla coast because that is the only way for it to go unless it stays basically where it is now weak and meandering then it will go harmlessly away. JMO.
I hope another Wilma track does not occur.Even though this storm going anywhere is going to possibly be a series issue.All right folks I had my laughs.Good night.
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201. TropicalAnalystwx13 10:05 PM GMT del 21 Ottobre 2011    
Oh where oh where are you Levi?

Oh where oh where are you Drakoen?
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