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A rare triple threat: three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 08:47 PM GMT del 16 Settembre 2010 +4
For the first time in twelve years, we have a rare triple threat in the Atlantic--three simultaneous hurricanes. Hurricane Karl joined Hurricanes Igor and Julia in the steadily expanding Hurricanes of 2010 club this morning, becoming the sixth hurricane of the season. The last time we had three simultaneous hurricanes in the Atlantic was in 1998. That year also had four simultaneous hurricanes--Georges, Ivan, Jeanne and Karl--for a brief time on September 25. There has been just one other case of four simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes, on August 22, 1893. According to Phil Klotzbach at Colorado State, three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes is a rare phenomena, having occurred only eight other times since 1851. The other years were 1893, 1926, 1950, 1961, 1967, 1980, 1995, and 1998.


Figure 1. Triple trouble: From left to right, Hurricanes Karl, Igor, and Julia roil the Atlantic. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Karl
Hurricane Karl continues to intensify. The latest Hurricane Hunter flight, flying at 12,000 feet, found flight level winds of 95 mph. This suggests surface winds of 85 mph, though the top surface winds seen by their SFMR instrument were about 80 mph. Mexican radar out of Alvarado shows the outer spirals bands of Karl are dumping heavy rains on the Mexican coast along the Bay of Campeche.


Figure 2. Afternoon radar image from the Alvarado, Mexico radar. The eye of Karl is visible in the upper right, and rain bands are affecting the coast to the east of the radar site. Image credit: Mexican Weather Service..

Forecast for Karl
Conditions for intensification are ideal in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche, with wind shear expected to be low, 5 - 10 knots, SSTs warm, 29°C - 30°C, and the atmosphere very moist. These conditions, combined with the topography of the surrounding coast which tends to enhance counter-clockwise flow, should allow Karl to intensify into Category 2 hurricane before making landfall between Tampico and Vercruz, Mexico Friday afternoon. Karl is a small storm, and is unlikely to bring any rain or wind to Texas.

Igor
The Air Force Hurricane Hunters made their first foray into Hurricane Igor this afternoon, and found a high-end Category 3 storm, with a central pressure of 940 mb and top winds at 10,000 feet of 150 mph. The southwest portion of the eyewall was open, so Igor has the potential to intensify once again if it can close off the gap. There are no major changes to the track or intensify forecast for Igor in the latest set of model runs. Igor is expected to remain a major hurricane for the next two days, and is headed northwest at 7 mph. This motion will carry the core of the hurricane close to NOAA buoy 41044 between 9 - 11 pm EDT tonight. Top winds at the buoy so far today have been 65 mph, gusting to 81 mph, with a significant wave height of 38 feet (the significant wave height is the average of the highest 1/3 of the waves.)

Elsewhere in the tropics
The ECMWF model develops a new tropical depression a few hundred miles off the coast of Africa 2 - 4 days from now. The GFS is suggesting the eastern Caribbean could see a tropical depression 6 - 7 days from now.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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2101. dmaddox 12:01 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
000
URNT12 KNHC 171156
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL132010
A. 17/11:45:00Z
B. 19 deg 35 min N
095 deg 32 min W
C. 700 mb 2717 m
D. 99 kt
E. 047 deg 6 nm
F. 135 deg 87 kt
G. 047 deg 6 nm
H. 957 mb
I. 12 C / 3027 m
J. 17 C / 3045 m
K. 13 C / NA
L. OPEN SE
M. C8
N. 12345 / 7
O. 0.02 / 3 nm
P. AF301 0513A KARL OB 04
MAX OUTBOUND AND MAX FL WIND 92 KT SW QUAD 11:48:20Z
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2102. saltwaterconch 12:02 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting breald:
Oh man Igor keeps on moving more and more west. West is not good for Bermuda.

Thats what i'm seeing
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2103. HurrMichaelOrl 12:02 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
I've never seen the computer model guidance so consistent in bringing a storm to a given location that is 750-1500 miles away. Igor seems absolutely set on hitting Bermuda, and the trend seems to be for the island to get the eastern eyewall of the hurricane no less.
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2104. Cotillion 12:02 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting CTSkywatcher:


I'm guessing this is the first time - to our knowledge anyway.


Correct, it was a trick question.

It would be the first ever time in recorded history (if Karl makes it).
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2105. dmaddox 12:02 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:
000
URNT12 KNHC 171156
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL132010
A. 17/11:45:00Z
B. 19 deg 35 min N
095 deg 32 min W
C. 700 mb 2717 m
D. 99 kt
E. 047 deg 6 nm
F. 135 deg 87 kt
G. 047 deg 6 nm
H. 957 mb
I. 12 C / 3027 m
J. 17 C / 3045 m
K. 13 C / NA
L. OPEN SE
M. C8
N. 12345 / 7
O. 0.02 / 3 nm
P. AF301 0513A KARL OB 04
MAX OUTBOUND AND MAX FL WIND 92 KT SW QUAD 11:48:20Z
it penetrated the eye / eyewall at 1145z...
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2106. shawn26 12:03 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Does someone have the link for the latest set of GFS runs?
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2108. AstroHurricane001 12:03 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Terrain of Mexico:

img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Mexico_topo.jpg"

When both Alex and Hermine this year made landfall, they slowed down significantly due to the mountanous terrain ahead. It seemed that the mountains were pushing them back and giving them extra time to strengthen, which Alex took to the extreme, going from a TS to a large cat. 2.

img src="http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT13/refresh/AL1310W5_NL_sm2+gif/083413W5_NL_sm.gif"

Karl, however, is much smaller. It could strengthen to a cat. 4, and is expected to make landfall almost directly on the City of Veracruz. The ridge of mountains likely to be just to the north of Karl could keep the main storm stalled while the system veers to the south, continuously lashing the area with heavy rains. If this occurs, either the land interaction will weaken the system prior to landfall, or the extra time over water may even give it enough energy for a transition to a cat. 5, which would be ironic as possibly the only cat. 5 of the season. Now, I wonder if it'll attempt a Tehuantepec crossing into the Epac, as the storm leaves behind a low-pressure area in the BoC, forcing the main storm south across a shorter distance?
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2109. CTSkywatcher 12:03 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting 7544:
igor taking in some dry air might loose some spunk today would a weakeer igor tend more west if this happens ?


He took in a ton of dry air. Eye isn't even visible right now....looks like he was out late last night enjoying the high life. Bermuda hopes he tries to sleep it off.
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2110. Cotillion 12:04 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Of course with 1964 stat - 2004 would of course also do it - Ivan, Jeanne, Karl - but TD10 was also in the middle.

(Some reason, I glazed over that).
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2111. dmaddox 12:04 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting shawn26:
Does someone have the link for the latest set of GFS runs?
Link java loop: Link
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2112. dmaddox 12:05 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:
000
URNT12 KNHC 171156
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL132010
A. 17/11:45:00Z
B. 19 deg 35 min N
095 deg 32 min W
C. 700 mb 2717 m
D. 99 kt
E. 047 deg 6 nm
F. 135 deg 87 kt
G. 047 deg 6 nm
H. 957 mb
I. 12 C / 3027 m
J. 17 C / 3045 m
K. 13 C / NA
L. OPEN SE
M. C8
N. 12345 / 7
O. 0.02 / 3 nm
P. AF301 0513A KARL OB 04
MAX OUTBOUND AND MAX FL WIND 92 KT SW QUAD 11:48:20Z
tiny eye: 8NM....
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2114. dmaddox 12:05 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:
Link java loop: Link
06z GFS run
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2115. AstroHurricane001 12:05 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Since I can't modify my comment due to the glitch, I will re-post the images here:

Terrain of Mexico:



Track:

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2116. Dunkman 12:06 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Looks like Karl has peaked, mountains are starting to take their toll. Good thing too, a strong cat 4 would have been devastating (he's going to be bad enough as it is.)
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2118. dmaddox 12:07 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:
give me a break they 953 mb lol and they put 957 mb lol
? where you see 953 at!?
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2119. nrtiwlnvragn 12:08 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Dropsonde Location: Dropped in eye.

Splash Location: 19.58N 95.55W
Splash Time: 11:49Z


958mb (Surface) 210° (from the SSW) 19 knots (22 mph)
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2120. MahFL 12:09 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting MTWX:

I feel sorry for the people there! before they went to bed they were expecting a strong cat 2 (possibly 3), just to wake up to a significant cat 4 knocking on their door.


"I bet most of the people don't even know it's coming".
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2122. Headindaclouds 12:09 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Just noticed that Laguna Verde nuclear power plant is about 10 miles north of the projected landfall of Karl. Could be scary.
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2124. dmaddox 12:10 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:
Anybody that is interested here are all the models that I look at everyday all on one site. Notice the Euro and look at how scary this setup coming is. We have just opened the door for US Landfalling Hurricanes.

http://www.dejongonline.com/weather/weathermodel.htm
bye bye troughs over the east pattern! :/
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2125. HCW 12:10 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
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2127. breald 12:11 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting saltwaterconch:

Thats what i'm seeing


Hey salt, how's it going?
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2129. saltwaterconch 12:13 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:
Anybody that is interested here are all the models that I look at everyday all on one site. Notice the Euro and look at how scary this setup coming is. We have just opened the door for US Landfalling Hurricanes.

http://www.dejongonline.com/weather/weathermodel.htm


Thanks for the link instant bookmark
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2130. CTSkywatcher 12:14 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Astro those Mtn's are only ~50-75 Miles inland( closest 25 miles N of Veracruz near Jalapa). I think your statement is solid and concerning for the folks down there. If he stalls/wobbles as he feels the terrain the rain totals will jump.
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2131. saltwaterconch 12:15 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting breald:


Hey salt, how's it going?


Hey breald. Going fine as long as the creek dont rise and the beer dosn't run out. I work graveyard so ....
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2132. HCW 12:15 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Still a couple of hours left before landfall and it's forecasted to reach cat 4 status now


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2133. Neapolitan 12:15 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
And a new AOI. Yellow crayon now...but very, very low in latitude.

Look out...
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2134. dmaddox 12:16 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting HCW:
cool! is that software free!?
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2136. yonzabam 12:16 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting AstroHurricane001:
Terrain of Mexico:

img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Mexico_topo.jpg"

When both Alex and Hermine this year made landfall, they slowed down significantly due to the mountanous terrain ahead. It seemed that the mountains were pushing them back and giving them extra time to strengthen, which Alex took to the extreme, going from a TS to a large cat. 2.

img src="http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT13/refresh/AL1310W5_NL_sm2+gif/083413W5_NL_sm.gif"

Karl, however, is much smaller. It could strengthen to a cat. 4, and is expected to make landfall almost directly on the City of Veracruz. The ridge of mountains likely to be just to the north of Karl could keep the main storm stalled while the system veers to the south, continuously lashing the area with heavy rains. If this occurs, either the land interaction will weaken the system prior to landfall, or the extra time over water may even give it enough energy for a transition to a cat. 5, which would be ironic as possibly the only cat. 5 of the season. Now, I wonder if it'll attempt a Tehuantepec crossing into the Epac, as the storm leaves behind a low-pressure area in the BoC, forcing the main storm south across a shorter distance?


It looks as if it will make landfall north of Veracruz.

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2137. dmaddox 12:18 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
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2138. dmaddox 12:18 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:
374
URNT15 KNHC 171145
AF301 0513A KARL HDOB 19 20100917
113630 1956N 09513W 6974 03069 //// +081 //// 132048 051 053 017 05
113700 1955N 09514W 6964 03081 //// +086 //// 121053 054 051 014 01
113730 1953N 09515W 6969 03073 //// +084 //// 122056 057 056 014 01
113800 1952N 09516W 6970 03064 //// +081 //// 124056 056 060 014 01
113830 1951N 09517W 6974 03053 //// +082 //// 126058 061 060 015 01
113900 1949N 09518W 6968 03038 //// +087 //// 129062 063 064 016 01
113930 1948N 09519W 6974 03019 //// +085 //// 134065 067 063 019 01
114000 1947N 09520W 6972 03005 //// +084 //// 139070 072 067 022 01
114030 1945N 09521W 6976 02980 //// +078 //// 140068 069 070 023 01
114100 1944N 09522W 6968 02972 //// +087 //// 142079 083 079 028 01
114130 1943N 09524W 6965 02945 //// +084 //// 144081 082 084 031 01
114200 1942N 09525W 6966 02905 //// +099 //// 140078 080 086 037 01
114230 1941N 09526W 6954 02885 9669 +141 +124 139083 084 093 045 00
114300 1940N 09528W 6978 02806 //// +100 //// 135085 087 099 043 05
114330 1939N 09529W 6956 02794 9584 +114 //// 131061 068 061 006 05
114400 1937N 09530W 6972 02758 9555 +146 +140 134034 042 043 004 03
114430 1936N 09531W 6966 02759 9535 +158 +135 179015 017 023 005 03
114500 1935N 09533W 6970 02752 9523 +173 +126 242008 011 017 004 03
114530 1934N 09534W 6967 02767 9541 +164 +112 312018 023 022 005 03
114600 1933N 09536W 6974 02773 9573 +146 +122 325033 039 /// /// 03
$$

that 952.3 reading in the third to last one
WOW! hmm.. maybe it was "contaminated"!? lol
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2139. ktymisty 12:18 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
If Julia goes north faster than Igor, would than push Igor more west than expected?
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2140. HCW 12:19 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:
cool! is that software free!?


It's in open trial now and free for 21 days after that it's $15 a month. I hope to have a mini review of GR Earth out on Monday along with a review on some of the more popular Iphone weather apps
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2141. CTSkywatcher 12:19 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting MahFL:


"I bet most of the people don't even know it's coming".


Well it would be hard to miss right now:

WIND...WITHIN THE HURRICANE WARNING AREA...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE ALREADY OCCURRING OR IMMINENT...AND HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO BEGIN BY LATE THIS MORNING OR EARLY THIS AFTERNOON.
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2142. breald 12:20 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting saltwaterconch:


Hey breald. Going fine as long as the creek dont rise and the beer dosn't run out. I work graveyard so ....


lol. Good deal.
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2143. tkeith 12:20 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Neapolitan:
And a new AOI. Yellow crayon now...but very, very low in latitude.

Look out...
I dont think that's the GFS ping pong ball though...
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2147. BobinTampa 12:22 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
anyone know how populated an area that is? The hurricane force wind field has to be pretty small on Karl.

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2148. dmaddox 12:22 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:
374
URNT15 KNHC 171145
AF301 0513A KARL HDOB 19 20100917
113630 1956N 09513W 6974 03069 //// +081 //// 132048 051 053 017 05
113700 1955N 09514W 6964 03081 //// +086 //// 121053 054 051 014 01
113730 1953N 09515W 6969 03073 //// +084 //// 122056 057 056 014 01
113800 1952N 09516W 6970 03064 //// +081 //// 124056 056 060 014 01
113830 1951N 09517W 6974 03053 //// +082 //// 126058 061 060 015 01
113900 1949N 09518W 6968 03038 //// +087 //// 129062 063 064 016 01
113930 1948N 09519W 6974 03019 //// +085 //// 134065 067 063 019 01
114000 1947N 09520W 6972 03005 //// +084 //// 139070 072 067 022 01
114030 1945N 09521W 6976 02980 //// +078 //// 140068 069 070 023 01
114100 1944N 09522W 6968 02972 //// +087 //// 142079 083 079 028 01
114130 1943N 09524W 6965 02945 //// +084 //// 144081 082 084 031 01
114200 1942N 09525W 6966 02905 //// +099 //// 140078 080 086 037 01
114230 1941N 09526W 6954 02885 9669 +141 +124 139083 084 093 045 00
114300 1940N 09528W 6978 02806 //// +100 //// 135085 087 099 043 05
114330 1939N 09529W 6956 02794 9584 +114 //// 131061 068 061 006 05
114400 1937N 09530W 6972 02758 9555 +146 +140 134034 042 043 004 03
114430 1936N 09531W 6966 02759 9535 +158 +135 179015 017 023 005 03
114500 1935N 09533W 6970 02752 9523 +173 +126 242008 011 017 004 03
114530 1934N 09534W 6967 02767 9541 +164 +112 312018 023 022 005 03
114600 1933N 09536W 6974 02773 9573 +146 +122 325033 039 /// /// 03
$$

that 952.3 reading in the third to last one
if thats the case, it's 11mb higher than hurricane Charlie at landfall that had 150mph winds.. reminds me alot of that one...
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2150. IKE 12:24 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting tkeith:
I dont think that's the GFS ping pong ball though...


That one is probably headed to the north ATL.

Western Caribbean and southern GOM are the northern GOM's threat area for originating.
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2151. pottery 12:24 PM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Good Morning all.
Just got electricity back, after a Lightening storm overhead at 2:00 am that went on for an hour. Pretty exciting light-show.
Reminded me of those 2:00 am's under the Strobes in the Disco......
3/4" of rain. Still overcast. Damp and Dank this morning.
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