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A rare triple threat: three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 08:47 PM GMT del 16 Settembre 2010 +4
For the first time in twelve years, we have a rare triple threat in the Atlantic--three simultaneous hurricanes. Hurricane Karl joined Hurricanes Igor and Julia in the steadily expanding Hurricanes of 2010 club this morning, becoming the sixth hurricane of the season. The last time we had three simultaneous hurricanes in the Atlantic was in 1998. That year also had four simultaneous hurricanes--Georges, Ivan, Jeanne and Karl--for a brief time on September 25. There has been just one other case of four simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes, on August 22, 1893. According to Phil Klotzbach at Colorado State, three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes is a rare phenomena, having occurred only eight other times since 1851. The other years were 1893, 1926, 1950, 1961, 1967, 1980, 1995, and 1998.


Figure 1. Triple trouble: From left to right, Hurricanes Karl, Igor, and Julia roil the Atlantic. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Karl
Hurricane Karl continues to intensify. The latest Hurricane Hunter flight, flying at 12,000 feet, found flight level winds of 95 mph. This suggests surface winds of 85 mph, though the top surface winds seen by their SFMR instrument were about 80 mph. Mexican radar out of Alvarado shows the outer spirals bands of Karl are dumping heavy rains on the Mexican coast along the Bay of Campeche.


Figure 2. Afternoon radar image from the Alvarado, Mexico radar. The eye of Karl is visible in the upper right, and rain bands are affecting the coast to the east of the radar site. Image credit: Mexican Weather Service..

Forecast for Karl
Conditions for intensification are ideal in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche, with wind shear expected to be low, 5 - 10 knots, SSTs warm, 29°C - 30°C, and the atmosphere very moist. These conditions, combined with the topography of the surrounding coast which tends to enhance counter-clockwise flow, should allow Karl to intensify into Category 2 hurricane before making landfall between Tampico and Vercruz, Mexico Friday afternoon. Karl is a small storm, and is unlikely to bring any rain or wind to Texas.

Igor
The Air Force Hurricane Hunters made their first foray into Hurricane Igor this afternoon, and found a high-end Category 3 storm, with a central pressure of 940 mb and top winds at 10,000 feet of 150 mph. The southwest portion of the eyewall was open, so Igor has the potential to intensify once again if it can close off the gap. There are no major changes to the track or intensify forecast for Igor in the latest set of model runs. Igor is expected to remain a major hurricane for the next two days, and is headed northwest at 7 mph. This motion will carry the core of the hurricane close to NOAA buoy 41044 between 9 - 11 pm EDT tonight. Top winds at the buoy so far today have been 65 mph, gusting to 81 mph, with a significant wave height of 38 feet (the significant wave height is the average of the highest 1/3 of the waves.)

Elsewhere in the tropics
The ECMWF model develops a new tropical depression a few hundred miles off the coast of Africa 2 - 4 days from now. The GFS is suggesting the eastern Caribbean could see a tropical depression 6 - 7 days from now.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1702. CalTex 06:45 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
1671. MississippiWx 6:17 AM GMT on September 17, 2010

Hear, hear! I've saved many images of Igor, he's so beautiful (and scary). Where did you get the image in post 1675? I dig the colors.
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1703. flsky 06:46 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting swflurker:
1. Cheaper to build.
2. No maintenance. See the green ones with the paint peeling!
3.Easier to replace when damaged! Unscrew the old one. Replace!


So, do they have a built in snap point? I'd hate to be underneath that (or my car, house, etc.) when it goes!!
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1704. dmaddox 06:47 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Karl looking VERY healthy!!
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1705. dmaddox 06:48 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
oops! lol
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1706. dmaddox 06:49 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
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1707. floridiancanuck 06:49 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting flsky:

Since 2004 they have been replacing the snapped wooden power poles here in EC FL with concrete ones. You're telling me that these are designed to snap as well? I don't see the point.


I learned about this from my time working in a trauma hospital and hearing the specifics of certain motor vehicle accidents. That's pretty much how I learned about breakaway poles, I don't design them or anything like that but it makes sense that yes, they'd replace the wooden ones with concrete ones.

Also, this is total speculation, but I'd bet non breakaway poles get damaged enough in collisions to warrant major repair or replacement so it's not like the breakaway poles are some huge cost factor.
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1708. Hurricanman 06:50 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:
oops! lol

Hurricane force winds extend 2000 miles from the center! :O
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1709. flsky 06:51 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting bigwes6844:
damn cape verde season is done 2 more storms and dats it from africa

Periods and caps please! This comment can be read a couple of different ways!
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1711. xcool 06:51 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
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1712. JLPR2 06:52 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
46L
12N 36W

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1713. carlos1993 06:52 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:
oops! lol
we are doomed.
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1714. swflurker 06:52 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
The tall poles for area distubution are steel reinforced.

The local ones just have a fiber mesh.

Next time you drive by them, check to see if they are guard rail protected! Don't hit them!

Quoting flsky:

So, do they have a built in snap point? I'd hate to be underneath that (or my car, house, etc.) when it goes!!
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1715. ConchHondros 06:53 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting centex:
I wish all the minority SW haters would leave this blog. Find some social media site to vent your meaningless opinions. You would have lots of friends there. It's like failing a class and blaming the teacher, and it was an outstanding teacher. He has respect of many professionals, so the lame know nothing bloggers know better? Get lost find a loser site so this site can return to its better days and not turn into the lowest common denominator.


I agree to a point, and that regarding the haters and those that have been riding Storm like a rented mule. However, you have been here long enough to remember the girl who posted private emails, he was going to quit then, but 1/2 a day of "please don't go" comments and he stayed...then last year he threatened to quit the blog and we had 1/2 a day of "please don't go"...this year we had the "credential" fiasco and a full day of folks giving reason why he didn't need them...I would wager he wont be gone for long, but there is a "pattern" of drama that seems to follow Storm that no blog needs. I like him, but I stroke only my own ego, and really don't like 1/2 a day of horsecrap every time he gets his feelings hurt. Good luck Storm.
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1716. CalTex 06:53 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
1701. StSimonsIslandGAGuy 6:45 AM GMT on September 17, 2010

Holy cow! I've seen archived storm tracks like that, but never "watched" one in progress. I agree, this blog would go absolutely nuts, although that bar may have already been met...lol.
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1717. Hurricanman 06:53 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Seems like the interaction between Igor and Julia would cause some convergence between them. I see outflow/outer rain bands about to collide, and it's creating a moist line on water vapor.
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1718. centex 06:54 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
All this stuff about how he did it misses the point. The blog has higher percentage of crap being posted. Maybe him leaving will wake us up and not tolerate it. Yes we can ignore turn a cheek, but we've tried that and it's getting worse. There are more punks coming in who know very little and slandering knowledgeable bloggers.
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1719. dmaddox 06:54 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting carlos1993:
we are doomed.
day after tomorrow!!! :P
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1720. dmaddox 06:55 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting JLPR2:
46L
12N 36W

LISA in the making!??
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1721. fatlady99 06:55 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:
Karl looking VERY healthy!!

UM...yeah! Don't need that coffee anymore. As a matter of fact, does anyone have a spare pair of chinos?

I thought that thing was supposed to be a Cat 1! Looks like conditions were a bit more than favorable. Serves me right for avoiding the blog during the day!!!

Speaking of that, would someone explain to me the +/- thing? I thought that we were supposed to flag posts that we thought were inappropriate? Is this all changing now? Sorry if I'm a bit slow on the uptake, I've been in my cave, working working working...
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1722. dmaddox 06:56 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
tightening up!!
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1723. floridiancanuck 06:56 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting swflurker:
The tall poles for area distubution are steel reinforced.

The local ones just have a fiber mesh.

Next time you drive by them, check to see if they are guard rail protected! Don't hit them!



Yeah, if my engineer husband was awake I'd ask him to explain how they work to me. As a nurse all I know is hitting a solid stationary object effs you up much worse than one that cracks in half on impact. =)
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1724. floridiancanuck 06:57 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Can I add that I love how much everyone's discussing pole physics tonight?
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1725. JLPR2 06:58 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:
LISA in the making!??


Maybe, and that's a big maybe. XD
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1726. HadesGodWyvern 06:58 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Japan Meteorological Agency
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #21
TYPHOON FANAPI (T1011)
15:00 PM JST September 17 2010
================================

SUBJECT: Category Three Typhoon In Sea South Of Okinawa

At 6:00 AM UTC, Typhoon Fanapi (965 hPa) located at 22.7N 128.0E has 10 minute sustained winds of 70 knots with gusts of 100 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving north northwest slowly

Dvorak Intensity: T4.5

Storm Force Winds
=================
60 NM from the center

Gale Force Winds
================
170 NM from the center in eastern quadrant
130 NM from the center in western quadrant

Forecast and Intensity
=======================
24 HRS: 23.2N 125.0E - 80 knots (CAT 3/Typhoon)
48 HRS: 24.3N 120.4E - 55 knots (CAT 2/Severe Tropical Storm)
72 HRS: 24.5N 115.2E - Tropical Depression
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1727. dmaddox 06:58 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
could we see 2 majors AGAIN at the same time!?? this time Igor and KARL!
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1728. flsky 06:59 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting floridiancanuck:


I learned about this from my time working in a trauma hospital and hearing the specifics of certain motor vehicle accidents. That's pretty much how I learned about breakaway poles, I don't design them or anything like that but it makes sense that yes, they'd replace the wooden ones with concrete ones.

Also, this is total speculation, but I'd bet non breakaway poles get damaged enough in collisions to warrant major repair or replacement so it's not like the breakaway poles are some huge cost factor.

Don't mean to belabor this, but do you mean that the wooden ones are more dangerous for car crashes? Are the concrete ones supposed to break to opposite direction of a crash, or give? Actually, I've always thought that the concrete ones would hold up better to hurricane-force winds. Now that I've thought about this more, I think I'll contact the local power co. for more info. Thanks for your input!
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1729. dmaddox 07:02 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
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1730. flsky 07:03 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting JLPR2:
46L
12N 36W


Oops. Rather foreboding.
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1731. KoritheMan 07:04 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:
LISA in the making!??


Lisa will come from this:



Look by Africa.
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1732. floridiancanuck 07:04 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
flsky -
The pole that breaks away (no matter if it's concrete or wooden) is better for the accident victim. It is my understanding that breakaway poles can be made of either material. Actually finally found a site explaining the advantages/disadvantates...
http://onlinemanuals.txdot.gov/txdotmanuals/hwi/pole_placement_guidelines.htm

It's near the top under the heading "two types of poles".
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1733. swflurker 07:04 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Can I get a + then?
Quoting floridiancanuck:
Can I add that I love how much everyone's discussing pole physics tonight?
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1734. flsky 07:05 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:

Excuse me for asking, but what are the gridded-out areas south of LA and TX?
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1735. flsky 07:05 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting floridiancanuck:
flsky -
The pole that breaks away (no matter if it's concrete or wooden) is better for the accident victim. It is my understanding that breakaway poles can be made of either material. Actually finally found a site explaining the advantages/disadvantates...
http://onlinemanuals.txdot.gov/txdotmanuals/hwi/pole_placement_guidelines.htm

It's near the top under the heading "two types of poles".

Thank you! Very nice of you to find this!
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1736. centex 07:06 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Name one blogger who consistenly posted better analysis than storm? Levi has been bucking but he seems to concentrate more on long range forecasting (2+weeks) and I'm usually more interested in shorter term more reliable. Ok he has an ego so lets run him out of town? I don't think that ego was ever shown to someone who studied the tropics.
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1737. fatlady99 07:06 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting fatlady99:
Speaking of that, would someone explain to me the +/- thing? I thought that we were supposed to flag posts that we thought were inappropriate? Is this all changing now? Sorry if I'm a bit slow on the uptake, I've been in my cave, working working working...


I understand if this has been beaten to death and folks are tired of talking about it. Can anyone point me to a post that might explain it, so I don't have to go skim 1900 posts at this time of night??? TIA, as they say...
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1738. JLPR2 07:07 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting KoritheMan:


Lisa will come from this:



Look by Africa.


Yeah probably, the EURO has that one absorbing 46L in the coming days.
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1739. CalTex 07:09 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
I agree with dmaddox, Karl does seem to be exploding. The images have changed even since I started reading the blog 1/2 hour ago. The pressure an hour ago was 967 and 965 is considered the low range for a cat 2. Maybe he will overcome the fact that 1/3 of him is now over land and become a major.
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1740. dmaddox 07:09 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting flsky:

Excuse me for asking, but what are the gridded-out areas south of LA and TX?
no problem... leasing areas for NW GOM oil rigs.. thats an "in-house" satellite image we use...
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1741. CaptnDan142 07:09 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting flsky:

Excuse me for asking, but what are the gridded-out areas south of LA and TX?


Looks like a mineral lease area overlay to me.
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1742. dmaddox 07:11 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting CalTex:
I agree with dmaddox, Karl does seem to be exploding. The images have changed even since I started reading the blog 1/2 hour ago. The pressure an hour ago was 967 and 965 is considered the low range for a cat 2. Maybe he will overcome the fact that 1/3 of him is now over land and become a major.
the eye is clearing out rather nicely...
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1743. floridiancanuck 07:11 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Sure, you've been +'d. But can you answer me this? What the heck does it do?? Do you get a check in the mail after so many or something? I get the - will get you moderated upon, but what's the point of the +?
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1744. flsky 07:13 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting floridiancanuck:
Can I add that I love how much everyone's discussing pole physics tonight?

Sorry to get off on this tangent, but when power poles go down, the electrical grid is, of course, adversely affected, not to mention everyone that has to suffer FL heat until power is restored.
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1745. dmaddox 07:13 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
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1746. OceanMoan 07:13 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting fatlady99:


I understand if this has been beaten to death and folks are tired of talking about it. Can anyone point me to a post that might explain it, so I don't have to go skim 1900 posts at this time of night??? TIA, as they say...


I assume we are supposed to + the posts we think are adding to the blog and - the ones we don't like. Seems like some on here are + their friends and - the people they don't get along with.
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1747. dmaddox 07:13 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
better one.. longer color loop:
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1748. dmaddox 07:15 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
it's all about size baby! lol
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1749. CalTex 07:15 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
1737. fatlady99 7:06 AM GMT on September 17, 2010

Umm, as far as I understand it, the + is for agreeing with or liking a post, the - is for disagreeing with it or disliking it or thinking it stupid, whatever.

The ! is reserved for inappropriate remarks, such as profanity or snarkiness, which has been the case in the last 3 days. However, this can also be used when a person(s) repeatedly discusses off-topic subjects which totally disrupt the blog's main purpose (weather), such as football, etc. I don't think that occasional comments are a problem, but when it goes on for several pages, look out you could get banned.

Did this help any?
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1750. OceanMoan 07:16 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting floridiancanuck:
Sure, you've been +'d. But can you answer me this? What the heck does it do?? Do you get a check in the mail after so many or something? I get the - will get you moderated upon, but what's the point of the +?


Someone said the the posts that were - aren't seen by the non-paying members. Don't know it its true or not.
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1751. swflurker 07:16 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
I agree! But let's compare it to Igor and Lisa. Lisa's been beatin on Igor long enough! Had enough of this crap!
Quoting centex:
Name one blogger who consistenly posted better analysis than storm? Levi has been bucking but he seems to concentrate more on long range forecasting (2+weeks) and I'm usually more interested in shorter term more reliable. Ok he has an ego so lets run him out of town? I don't think that ego was ever shown to someone who studied the tropics.
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