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A rare triple threat: three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 08:47 PM GMT del 16 Settembre 2010 +4
For the first time in twelve years, we have a rare triple threat in the Atlantic--three simultaneous hurricanes. Hurricane Karl joined Hurricanes Igor and Julia in the steadily expanding Hurricanes of 2010 club this morning, becoming the sixth hurricane of the season. The last time we had three simultaneous hurricanes in the Atlantic was in 1998. That year also had four simultaneous hurricanes--Georges, Ivan, Jeanne and Karl--for a brief time on September 25. There has been just one other case of four simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes, on August 22, 1893. According to Phil Klotzbach at Colorado State, three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes is a rare phenomena, having occurred only eight other times since 1851. The other years were 1893, 1926, 1950, 1961, 1967, 1980, 1995, and 1998.


Figure 1. Triple trouble: From left to right, Hurricanes Karl, Igor, and Julia roil the Atlantic. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Karl
Hurricane Karl continues to intensify. The latest Hurricane Hunter flight, flying at 12,000 feet, found flight level winds of 95 mph. This suggests surface winds of 85 mph, though the top surface winds seen by their SFMR instrument were about 80 mph. Mexican radar out of Alvarado shows the outer spirals bands of Karl are dumping heavy rains on the Mexican coast along the Bay of Campeche.


Figure 2. Afternoon radar image from the Alvarado, Mexico radar. The eye of Karl is visible in the upper right, and rain bands are affecting the coast to the east of the radar site. Image credit: Mexican Weather Service..

Forecast for Karl
Conditions for intensification are ideal in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche, with wind shear expected to be low, 5 - 10 knots, SSTs warm, 29°C - 30°C, and the atmosphere very moist. These conditions, combined with the topography of the surrounding coast which tends to enhance counter-clockwise flow, should allow Karl to intensify into Category 2 hurricane before making landfall between Tampico and Vercruz, Mexico Friday afternoon. Karl is a small storm, and is unlikely to bring any rain or wind to Texas.

Igor
The Air Force Hurricane Hunters made their first foray into Hurricane Igor this afternoon, and found a high-end Category 3 storm, with a central pressure of 940 mb and top winds at 10,000 feet of 150 mph. The southwest portion of the eyewall was open, so Igor has the potential to intensify once again if it can close off the gap. There are no major changes to the track or intensify forecast for Igor in the latest set of model runs. Igor is expected to remain a major hurricane for the next two days, and is headed northwest at 7 mph. This motion will carry the core of the hurricane close to NOAA buoy 41044 between 9 - 11 pm EDT tonight. Top winds at the buoy so far today have been 65 mph, gusting to 81 mph, with a significant wave height of 38 feet (the significant wave height is the average of the highest 1/3 of the waves.)

Elsewhere in the tropics
The ECMWF model develops a new tropical depression a few hundred miles off the coast of Africa 2 - 4 days from now. The GFS is suggesting the eastern Caribbean could see a tropical depression 6 - 7 days from now.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1601. Orcasystems 05:41 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Last update for the night... Armageddon comes early in the morning... around 8 am pacific, not to mention the start of a weekend fishing trip :)

I really don't like that landfall point for Karl..



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1603. robj144 05:42 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:



I wonder if the models over estimated the trough. IGOR doesn't look like he's in a hurry to move. Almost reminds of the tricks Floyd pulled. If you remember he was supposed to move out to sea but decided to stall and move west with an eventual landfall in NC.


I remember Floyd making a bee-line for southern FLA. Then, at the last minute, turning north unexpectedly. Do you mean after it turned north, it was supposed to stay out to sea?
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1604. sunlinepr 05:42 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
HURRICANE JULIA DISCUSSION NUMBER 20
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL122010 1100 PM AST THU SEP 16 2010
...JULIA IS EXPECTED TO DISSIPATE IN THE STRONG SOUTHWESTERLY FLOW TO THE EAST OF IGOR. THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST IS IN BEST AGREEMENT WITH THE SHIPS
INTENSITY GUIDANCE.

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1605. dmaddox 05:43 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
...IGOR CONTINUES MOVING NORTHWEST...

What? Seriously?? Did you all down there in Miami note that westward movement? Or are you playing games with us?
they didn't have to lead that advisory with that headline IMO! lol.... past 3 hour average motion has been west with a slight north component... 280-290 at best LOL :)
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1606. IamTheCanesSurfer 05:43 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
I remember the eyewall of Wilma, quite a show. I had to push against my glass patio door, i could feel it bending and all this behind metal shutters...anyone here remember how cold it got afterward...good thing cause we had no power for 2 weeks in palm beach.
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1607. PrivateIdaho 05:44 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Jedkins01:



Its just a jog, the NHC has been right on track the last 2 days, he's been following almost every forecast point on track.

With each west jog, he takes a north jog, it comes out to an overall northwest motion.

Seriously, these people have years of school to get their job at the NHC. I'm sure they can accurately give a presentation of what direction it is headed.

Every days I hear people screaming "GASP, ITS GOING WEST" Um no, actually, the NHC has been on track. It is very unlikely Igor will not curve out to sea as expected.
There is an 80% chance they will be right without even firing up a computer for a model run.
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1608. luigi18 05:44 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Jedkins01:



Its just a jog, the NHC has been right on track the last 2 days, he's been following almost every forecast point on track.

With each west jog, he takes a north jog, it comes out to an overall northwest motion.

Seriously, these people have years of school to get their job at the NHC. I'm sure they can accurately give a presentation of what direction it is headed.

Every days I hear people screaming "GASP, ITS GOING WEST" Um no, actually, the NHC has been on track. It is very unlikely Igor will not curve out to sea as expected.


NA remenber Earl almost kill us! the nhc fail
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1610. PrivateIdaho 05:45 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Orcasystems:
Last update for the night... Armageddon comes early in the morning... around 8 am pacific, not to mention the start of a weekend fishing trip :)

I really don't like that landfall point for Karl..



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And there are some people in Mexico that REALLY don't like it!
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1613. robj144 05:46 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:


It was predicted to move out to sea before he stalled and turned west and nearly gave FL residents a heart attack.


Oh... I just remember the heart attack part. Floyd was a beast.
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1614. StormJunkie 05:47 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
There is an 80% chance they will be right without even firing up a computer for a model run.


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1615. robj144 05:47 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting IamTheCanesSurfer:
I remember the eyewall of Wilma, quite a show. I had to push against my glass patio door, i could feel it bending and all this behind metal shutters...anyone here remember how cold it got afterward...good thing cause we had no power for 2 weeks in palm beach.


Yes that cold front was welcomed. Frances was not so fun without power.
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1616. PSLFLCaneVet 05:48 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting IamTheCanesSurfer:
I remember the eyewall of Wilma, quite a show. I had to push against my glass patio door, i could feel it bending and all this behind metal shutters...anyone here remember how cold it got afterward...good thing cause we had no power for 2 weeks in palm beach.
Remember it very well. Wish we'd had the same thing after Frances. 8 days sweltering, with no power.
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1618. Jedkins01 05:48 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:
Jedkins, I'm disputing NHC thinking of out to sea with IGOR but it is clear if IGOR hangs around he could very well miss the trough to the NW.


That's fine to dispute, just saying, don't get too concerned, cause I'd almost bet money it will still turn out to sea, and I'm not a gambler lol.
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1619. sunlinepr 05:48 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
If you stop the Igor movement animation at http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/flash-rb.html
you can notice that he achieved 22N and then went to 21.9N.
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1620. Jedkins01 05:48 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting luigi18:


NA remenber Earl almost kill us! the nhc fail


No, you fail.
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1621. PrivateIdaho 05:49 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting StormJunkie:




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You're killing me with those! lol!
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1622. PSLFLCaneVet 05:49 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting robj144:


Yes that cold front was welcomed. Frances was not so fun without power.
Wow, if I was 12, I'd say jinx!
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1623. robj144 05:50 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:
Wow, if I was 12, I'd say jinx!


Ha!
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1624. PrivateIdaho 05:51 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:
Wow, if I was 12, I'd say jinx!
jinx you stinkyouowemeasoda!
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1625. PSLFLCaneVet 05:51 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
You're killing me with those! lol!
SJ's doing good in DJ's stead.
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1627. Jedkins01 05:52 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
BTW, Karl is starting to look extremely impressive, I'm surprised its not already a category 3 based on very impressive satellite trends...

At any rate, I'll be praying for the mexican folk down yonder...


Its still hard to determine what causes some storms to absolutely explode, like Charley, while others don't. Weather is a very complex science indeed.
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1628. Hurricanman 05:52 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting sunlinepr:
If you stop the Igor movement animation at http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/flash-rb.html
you can notice that he achieved 22N and then went to 21.9N.

Looks like it made it to 22N a couple times, up and down.
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1629. LostTomorrows 05:52 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Igor isn't looking very impressive anymore... something is making him sad. =( Hahah.
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1630. JLPR2 05:52 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting luigi18:


NA remenber Earl almost kill us! the nhc fail


LOl yeah thank goodness it was originally set to pass 300miles to the NE if it would have been 200miles we would have been in big trouble. XD
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1631. Jedkins01 05:54 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:
I think we can crack a joke now now without our comments getting removed as the person responsible should be asleep.



Hey the local METs here in tampa bay keep talking about the models spinning up something in the Carib and potentially throwing it our way in the long term, maybe the old overkill GFS might be on to something... lol!
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1632. PSLFLCaneVet 05:54 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting LostTomorrows:
Igor isn't looking very impressive anymore... something is making him sad. =( Hahah.
Got to be Julia's constant nagging.
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1633. sunlinepr 05:54 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Can we attribute that the error in models predicting Igor, are caused by the ammount of different variables in the game. Variables like 2 cat 3> hurricanes interacting, plus the hot water record temperatures in the Atlantic???
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1634. centex 05:55 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
They will say WNW on next advisory. But after that 3rd trough will enhance weakness and it will quickly go back to NW. The train of troughs leaves little doubt, only Bermuda at risk. Surf will be up on east coast so you rookies may want to stay home. We lost a kayaker recently in central texas taking his chances on swollen creek. Not part of Hermine death toll but this kind of thing happens everytime. Know your limits.
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1635. 1900hurricane 05:55 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
The Atlantic Tour!

Igor:



Julia:



Karl:

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1638. PrivateIdaho 05:57 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
After Andrew plowed through FL it was forecast to curve and strike very close to New Orleans. Instead it barely started to curve and struck near Houma LA.
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1639. carlos1993 05:57 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:


Any idea what our ACE was yesterday?
Around 97-100
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1640. Jedkins01 05:57 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:


This GFS has been on this for 6 days now. It is very hard to dispute that consistancy every run.



yeah and because of how active the season has become, it does make it more believable. Certainly too far out to worry about, but still, definitely will give us something to keep in mind the next week or so.
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1643. Jedkins01 05:59 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
fixin to get some Z's, see yall on the other side
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1646. 1900hurricane 06:01 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:


Any idea what our ACE was yesterday?

SSI posted it earlier, it was almost 10, around 9.8 or so.
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1647. carlos1993 06:01 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:


WOW!
You mean total, right??
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1648. sunlinepr 06:02 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Say goodby to Julia, before going to bed. Maybe tomorow she will change her name to RIP...
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1649. PrivateIdaho 06:03 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Hope BOBintampa doesn't mind me reposting this...I'm not sure if it got destroyed in the pogram earlier today but it is worth repeating.

1155. BobinTampa 2:31 PM MDT on September 16, 2010
Gotta get this off my chest:

I think it is safe to say that everyone who visits this blog benefits in some way - whether through education or entertainment. The blog is far from perfect but, overall, I'd say it has been pretty beneficial to us all.

So it kind of baffles me that some would use this site to try to recruit members to another site they are creating. That is in extremely poor taste in my opinion.

We all have the ability to create our own blogs on WUnderground. Why leave completely when you could simply relocate on the same site, OR better yet, strive to improve this blog??

That strikes me as a great show of disrespect to Dr. Masters. Maybe this is addition by subtraction. Who knows?
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1651. carlos1993 06:04 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Jeff9641:


WOW!
Sorry, i misunderstand you, yesterday ACE was 9.75
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