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A rare triple threat: three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 08:47 PM GMT del 16 Settembre 2010 +4
For the first time in twelve years, we have a rare triple threat in the Atlantic--three simultaneous hurricanes. Hurricane Karl joined Hurricanes Igor and Julia in the steadily expanding Hurricanes of 2010 club this morning, becoming the sixth hurricane of the season. The last time we had three simultaneous hurricanes in the Atlantic was in 1998. That year also had four simultaneous hurricanes--Georges, Ivan, Jeanne and Karl--for a brief time on September 25. There has been just one other case of four simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes, on August 22, 1893. According to Phil Klotzbach at Colorado State, three simultaneous Atlantic hurricanes is a rare phenomena, having occurred only eight other times since 1851. The other years were 1893, 1926, 1950, 1961, 1967, 1980, 1995, and 1998.


Figure 1. Triple trouble: From left to right, Hurricanes Karl, Igor, and Julia roil the Atlantic. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Karl
Hurricane Karl continues to intensify. The latest Hurricane Hunter flight, flying at 12,000 feet, found flight level winds of 95 mph. This suggests surface winds of 85 mph, though the top surface winds seen by their SFMR instrument were about 80 mph. Mexican radar out of Alvarado shows the outer spirals bands of Karl are dumping heavy rains on the Mexican coast along the Bay of Campeche.


Figure 2. Afternoon radar image from the Alvarado, Mexico radar. The eye of Karl is visible in the upper right, and rain bands are affecting the coast to the east of the radar site. Image credit: Mexican Weather Service..

Forecast for Karl
Conditions for intensification are ideal in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche, with wind shear expected to be low, 5 - 10 knots, SSTs warm, 29°C - 30°C, and the atmosphere very moist. These conditions, combined with the topography of the surrounding coast which tends to enhance counter-clockwise flow, should allow Karl to intensify into Category 2 hurricane before making landfall between Tampico and Vercruz, Mexico Friday afternoon. Karl is a small storm, and is unlikely to bring any rain or wind to Texas.

Igor
The Air Force Hurricane Hunters made their first foray into Hurricane Igor this afternoon, and found a high-end Category 3 storm, with a central pressure of 940 mb and top winds at 10,000 feet of 150 mph. The southwest portion of the eyewall was open, so Igor has the potential to intensify once again if it can close off the gap. There are no major changes to the track or intensify forecast for Igor in the latest set of model runs. Igor is expected to remain a major hurricane for the next two days, and is headed northwest at 7 mph. This motion will carry the core of the hurricane close to NOAA buoy 41044 between 9 - 11 pm EDT tonight. Top winds at the buoy so far today have been 65 mph, gusting to 81 mph, with a significant wave height of 38 feet (the significant wave height is the average of the highest 1/3 of the waves.)

Elsewhere in the tropics
The ECMWF model develops a new tropical depression a few hundred miles off the coast of Africa 2 - 4 days from now. The GFS is suggesting the eastern Caribbean could see a tropical depression 6 - 7 days from now.

I'll have an update Friday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1302. dmaddox 04:10 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting dmaddox:
000
URNT12 KNHC 170403
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL132010
A. 17/03:50:40Z
B. 19 deg 40 min N
094 deg 33 min W
C. 700 mb 2810 m
D. 83 kt
E. 324 deg 8 nm
F. 052 deg 97 kt
G. 322 deg 9 nm
H. 968 mb
I. 9 C / 3049 m
J. 14 C / 3044 m
K. 8 C / NA
L. CLOSED, RAGGED WALL
M. C12
N. 12345 / 7
O. 0.02 / 1 nm
P. AF302 0413A KARL OB 19
MAX FL WIND 97 KT NW QUAD 03:47:40Z
presure the same as it was 2 hours ago...
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1303. PrivateIdaho 04:10 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting JLPR2:


Igor is bigger and stronger than Julia, he wouldn't turn around with her, Julia would be the one to spin around Igor.
Its not that simple...physics would dictate that the largest affect we would observe would be on the track of the smaller storm but a proportional affect would occur to the larger storm. So Julia would be propelled to the north west and Igor would be propelled to the south and east which we would observe as a slowing of forward speed and slight change in track to the west....which is pretty much what is going on.
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1304. Drakoen 04:10 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
GFS 00z slams Karl into Veracruz, Mexico
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1305. Orcasystems 04:11 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    


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1306. xcool 04:11 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
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1307. CloudGatherer 04:11 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Product: Air Force Vortex Message (URNT12 KNHC)
Transmitted: 17th day of the month at 04:03Z
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 302)
Storm Number & Year: 13L in 2010
Storm Name: Karl (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 4
Observation Number: 19
A. Time of Center Fix: 17th day of the month at 3:50:40Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 19°40'N 94°33'W (19.6667N 94.55W)
B. Center Fix Location: 158 miles (254 km) to the NW (318°) from Villahermosa, Tabasco, México.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 2,810m (9,219ft) at 700mb
D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 83kts (~ 95.5mph)
E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 8 nautical miles (9 statute miles) to the NW (324°) of center fix
F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 52° at 97kts (From the NE at ~ 111.6mph)
G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 9 nautical miles (10 statute miles) to the NW (322°) of center fix
H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 968mb (28.59 inHg)
I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 9°C (48°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,049m (10,003ft)
J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 14°C (57°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,044m (9,987ft)
K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 8°C (46°F)
K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
L. Eye Character: Closed, RAGGED WALL
M. Eye Shape & Diameter: Circular with a diameter of 12 nautical miles (14 statute miles)
N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind, Pressure and Temperature
N. Fix Level: 700mb
O. Navigation Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles
O. Meteorological Accuracy: 1 nautical mile
Remarks Section:
Maximum Flight Level Wind: 97kts (~ 111.6mph) in the northwest quadrant at 3:47:40Z
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1308. Hhunter 04:11 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    


definite west jog..interesting
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1310. SiestaCpl 04:12 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting JLPR2:


Igor is bigger and stronger than Julia, he wouldn't turn around with her, Julia would be the one to spin around Igor.


Remember with Earl how his convection would run out ahead of his intended direction...everytime he made a turn or movement change his convection would blow-out in that direction. Igor has shown the same tendency. Now his "extra" convection is off on the SW where before it had built on the North as he moved North. This was explained by the many more knowledgeable on the Blog as "feeling the weakness", so should we consider the weakness Igor is feeling to the SW? The steering maps are getting dicey as far as him making the gap that is closing to the north.

As to the Fujiwara Effect...Julia will slingshot counter clockwise around Igor to his North if that occurs..and she is running somewhere and firing new convection as she comes...Julia is not large enough proportionally to pull him back to the SE but she could distort his movement away from North.,.and that could also point him SW.
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1312. gordydunnot 04:13 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
It's only one longitude but Igor has pretty much gone due west.Hope it's just a wobble.
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1313. CaicosRetiredSailor 04:13 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
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1315. PSLFLCaneVet 04:13 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
Its not that simple...physics would dictate that the largest affect we would observe would be on the track of the smaller storm but a proportional affect would occur to the larger storm. So Julia would be propelled to the north west and Igor would be propelled to the south and east which we would observe as a slowing of forward speed and slight change in track to the west....which is pretty much what is going on.
Hello PI, way to make a splash in the pool.
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1318. centex 04:14 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:
GFS 00z slams Karl into Veracruz, Mexico
Don't think we need a model at this point.
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1319. StormJunkie 04:14 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
amd, Couldn't remember the term...But that sounds about right.

trochoidal wobble
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1320. PSLFLCaneVet 04:15 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Did Dr. Maue come on last night?
Yes
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1321. hydrus 04:15 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting cat5hurricane:
True...it would. But with that the higher populated area in the State of Veracruz in & south of city of Veracruz gonna get a higher surge & winds. Thnx goodness this thing is not Igor size...oh man!
Well, if this strengthening trend continues(and in my opinion it definitely will) The victims in its wake wont really care how large the storm was. But they will feel the full effects of it power. I too am glad it is not the size of Igor. Which by the way is maintaining itself quite well.
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1322. carlos1993 04:16 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting anyotherliestotell:
don't get me wrong i WANT a storm. god needs to clean this place out. but i just don't see anything other than a weak TS or cat 1, which would be fine for SE florida.
what do you mean by "clean"?
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1323. blueafuze 04:16 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Run for you lives.... Igors going west.
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1325. SouthDadeFish 04:16 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
I'm really surpised recon didn't find higher winds in Karl with a pressure that low. Karl is a very compact storm, so one would think it wouldn't need as low of a pressure to become a major. Unfortunately for Mexico it looks as if Karl is forming the dreaded pinhole eye.
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1326. Cat5Hurricane250 04:17 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Eyewall Dropsonde...

976mb (Surface) 355° (from the N) 98 knots (113 mph)
974mb 355° (from the N) 96 knots (110 mph)
973mb 355° (from the N) 101 knots (116 mph)
968mb 350° (from the N) 107 knots (123 mph)
963mb 355° (from the N) 104 knots (120 mph)
957mb 0° (from the N) 108 knots (124 mph)
951mb 5° (from the N) 104 knots (120 mph)
943mb 5° (from the N) 110 knots (127 mph)
936mb 10° (from the N) 104 knots (120 mph)
923mb 20° (from the NNE) 102 knots (117 mph)
909mb 25° (from the NNE) 109 knots (125 mph)
901mb 35° (from the NE) 93 knots (107 mph)
892mb 35° (from the NE) 97 knots (112 mph)
880mb 35° (from the NE) 93 knots (107 mph)
873mb 35° (from the NE) 86 knots (99 mph)
850mb 40° (from the NE) 87 knots (100 mph)
698mb 55° (from the NE) 79 knots (91 mph)
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1327. PSLFLCaneVet 04:17 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
I'm so on topic I can hardly stand myself!
ROFL
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1328. amd 04:18 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
last post for tonight: Updated datasonde information from the western eyewall.

Product: Air Force Temp Drop (Dropsonde) Message (UZNT13 KNHC)
Transmitted: 17th day of the month at 04:12Z
Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 302)
Storm Number: 13
Storm Name: Karl (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 4
Observation Number: 20

Part A...

Date: Near the closest hour of 4Z on the 17th day of the month
Highest Mandatory Level For Which Wind Was Reported: 700mb
Coordinates: 19.8N 94.6W (View map)
Location: 167 miles (268 km) to the NW (319°) from Villahermosa, Tabasco, México.
Marsden Square: 046 (About)

Level Geo. Height Air Temp. Dew Point Wind Direction Wind Speed
976mb (28.82 inHg) Sea Level (Surface) 25.4°C (77.7°F) 25.3°C (77.5°F) 355° (from the N) 98 knots (113 mph)

1000mb -216m (-709 ft) Other data not available.
925mb 471m (1,545 ft) 23.0°C (73.4°F) 22.9°C (73.2°F) 20° (from the NNE) 102 knots (117 mph)
850mb 1,210m (3,970 ft) 20.6°C (69.1°F) 20.4°C (68.7°F) 40° (from the NE) 87 knots (100 mph)
700mb 2,874m (9,429 ft) 10.0°C (50.0°F) 7.3°C (45.1°F) 55° (from the NE) 79 knots (91 mph)

Information About Radiosonde:
- Launch Time: 3:48Z
- About Sonde: A descending radiosonde tracked automatically by satellite navigation with no solar or infrared correction.

Remarks Section...

Dropsonde Location: Dropped in maximum wind band.

Splash Location: 19.7N 94.69W
Splash Time: 3:51Z
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1330. Drakoen 04:19 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Cat5Hurricane250:
Eyewall Dropsonde...

976mb (Surface) 355° (from the N) 98 knots (113 mph)
974mb 355° (from the N) 96 knots (110 mph)
973mb 355° (from the N) 101 knots (116 mph)
968mb 350° (from the N) 107 knots (123 mph)
963mb 355° (from the N) 104 knots (120 mph)
957mb 0° (from the N) 108 knots (124 mph)
951mb 5° (from the N) 104 knots (120 mph)
943mb 5° (from the N) 110 knots (127 mph)
936mb 10° (from the N) 104 knots (120 mph)
923mb 20° (from the NNE) 102 knots (117 mph)
909mb 25° (from the NNE) 109 knots (125 mph)
901mb 35° (from the NE) 93 knots (107 mph)
892mb 35° (from the NE) 97 knots (112 mph)
880mb 35° (from the NE) 93 knots (107 mph)
873mb 35° (from the NE) 86 knots (99 mph)
850mb 40° (from the NE) 87 knots (100 mph)
698mb 55° (from the NE) 79 knots (91 mph)


Very impressive
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1331. sunlinepr 04:19 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
He's Such a Big Monster....

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1333. SiestaCpl 04:19 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
Uhh.. Igor is not jogging west, it seems he just made a nice change of direction to the west. Interesting...


Your comments on his size possibly impeding his ability "take the gap" is an interesting one at this moment..with Julia pulling on him perhaps is he finding the opening to the SW where the Gulf High pressure ridge has withdrawn all day..(note on steering maps)
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1334. dmaddox 04:19 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting SouthDadeFish:
I'm really surpised recon didn't find higher winds in Karl with a pressure that low. Karl is a very compact storm, so one would think it wouldn't need as low of a pressure to become a major. Unfortunately for Mexico it looks as if Karl is forming the dreaded pinhole eye.
im surprised too...968 tho is usually high end cat 2.. we'll see...
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1336. dmaddox 04:20 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
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1337. floridiancanuck 04:20 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Okay, since I'm looking at all this lovely different satellite images, I'll re-ask a question I brought up a week ago when the blog was too busy to keep up...

What's the difference between the different satellite image options available? (I.e. Dvorak, funktop, RGB etc). Also, bonus question: Why does Dvorak always look like such a hot mess?

(Finally got my computer to load the buoy data by the way, for those who answered my question earlier but the graphs still won't for some reason.)
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1338. Relix 04:20 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting SiestaCpl:


Your comments on his size possibly impeding his ability "take the gap" is an interesting one at this moment..with Julia pulling on him perhaps is he finding the opening to the SW where the Gulf High pressure ridge has withdrawn all day..(note on steering maps)


That would really suck for us in the islands XD! Doubt it could happen but you never know
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1340. Seastep 04:21 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Did Dr. Maue come on last night?


He was on earlier today.
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1342. sunlinepr 04:22 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
From that interaction, look around in the Atlantic, there should be a new criature forming.....
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1343. thelmores 04:22 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Seems clear to me, that the movement of Igor IS NOT a wobble....... this WNW, even W motion has persisted for about 3 hours.....

Will be interesting to see how this "trend" continues.......

Seems to me, that this is definitely not good news for Bermuda, and at this point, not sure what other implications are......
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1344. SouthDadeFish 04:22 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Cat5Hurricane250:
Eyewall Dropsonde...

976mb (Surface) 355° (from the N) 98 knots (113 mph)
974mb 355° (from the N) 96 knots (110 mph)
973mb 355° (from the N) 101 knots (116 mph)
968mb 350° (from the N) 107 knots (123 mph)
963mb 355° (from the N) 104 knots (120 mph)
957mb 0° (from the N) 108 knots (124 mph)
951mb 5° (from the N) 104 knots (120 mph)
943mb 5° (from the N) 110 knots (127 mph)
936mb 10° (from the N) 104 knots (120 mph)
923mb 20° (from the NNE) 102 knots (117 mph)
909mb 25° (from the NNE) 109 knots (125 mph)
901mb 35° (from the NE) 93 knots (107 mph)
892mb 35° (from the NE) 97 knots (112 mph)
880mb 35° (from the NE) 93 knots (107 mph)
873mb 35° (from the NE) 86 knots (99 mph)
850mb 40° (from the NE) 87 knots (100 mph)
698mb 55° (from the NE) 79 knots (91 mph)


Well I guess that confirms my suspicions. Karl is on the verge of becoming the season's fifth major.
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1345. PrivateIdaho 04:22 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting StormJunkie:


Good point, and that could just as easily be what we are witnessing. trochodial wobble or Fujiwara, but I don't think he's pumping the ridge or Julia :)



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Yeah I don't want that comment to be misconstrued as stating what we are seeing is the Fujiwhara effect...just that it is similiar to what one would expect..... (I'm +sing you up dude)HA!
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1346. OceanMoan 04:23 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
If a Fujiwhara effect is happening, how much will it affect Igor's track?
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1347. hunkerdown 04:24 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting amd:


I think it is something called a trochoidal wobble in which the eye will actually travel in a circle before moving again in a certain direction. Looking at the ramsdis imagery, I think Igor is making a little circle as the inner core strengthens again, and in a couple of hours, should resume a wnw/nw movement.
IF that is what he is doing, and usually done by storms stronger than Igor's current strength, its called a trochoidal oscillation.
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1348. will40 04:24 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
I just hope Igor makes it to 70W and then finds a biggg weakness
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1349. SouthDadeFish 04:24 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Apparently the satellite imagery of Karl is deceiving. Recon reports the eyewall is still ragged, and 12nm in diameter, not worthy of pinhole status. Nonetheless, Karl still has time to ramp up some more.
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1350. Drakoen 04:25 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Looks like a trochodial motion could be going on with Karl as a result of its small intense vorticity. Probably not as obvious as it would be in a large cyclone.
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1351. luigi18 04:25 AM GMT del 17 Settembre 2010    
Quoting alfabob:
I don't think Igor is in a trochoidal oscillation. That would involve a larger eyewall structure with a smaller central eyewall oscillating inside. Since the EWRC finished less than 24 hours ago, I don't think that could be the case.


what he is doing?
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