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92L still a threat to develop; Igor a hurricane; TD 12 forming near Africa
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 02:18 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010 +1
Tropical disturbance (92L) over the Central Caribbean, a few hundred miles south of the Dominican Republic, remains a threat to develop into a tropical depression. Satellite loops this morning show 92L may be starting to form a surface circulation, and an Air Force Hurricane Hunter aircraft will investigate 92L this afternoon to see if a tropical depression is forming.

The storm has only a modest area of heavy thunderstorm with limited low-level spiral banding and upper-level outflow, thanks to an infusion of dry air last night that disrupted the storm. Long range radar out of Puerto Rico shows that heavy rains are affecting that island, but there is no rotation to the radar echoes evident. Wind shear over 92L is low, 5 - 10 knots. The waters beneath are hot, 29.5°C, and these warm waters extend to great depth. Water vapor satellite loops show a large area of dry air lies to the north and west of 92L, and this dry air could interfere with development at times over the next few days.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of 92L.

Track forecast for 92L
The disturbance is moving west to west-northwest at 15 mph, and steering currents favor a continuation of this motion for the next three days. Model support for development is scattered. The GFS and NOGAPS models do not develop 92L. The GFDL and ECMWF models predict development, with a track taking 92L into Belize or Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula on Wednesday. On this track, the southern Dominican Republic can expect heavy rains of 3 - 6 inches today through Monday morning; southern Haiti can expect similar rains tonight through Monday night, and Jamaica and the Cayman Islands can expect heavier rains of 4 - 8 inches Monday and Tuesday. Eastern Cuba can expect rains in the 2 - 4 inch range. Once 92L crosses the Yucatan, the ridge of high pressure steering it is expected to remain in place, forcing 92L to a second landfall in Mexico south of the Texas border.

Intensity forecast for 92L
NHC is putting the odds of 92L developing into a tropical depression by Tuesday at 50%; I'd put them higher, at 70%. However, time is running out for 92L to become a hurricane before hitting the Yucatan Peninsula on Wednesday. Given the current disorganized state of 92L, it would be difficult for it to intensify quickly enough to become a hurricane by then. The storm may also suffer another of its mysterious evening collapses, where it loses most of its heavy thunderstorm activity. However, the SHIPS model predicts wind shear will remain low, 5 - 10 knots, through the period, and water temperatures are certainly warm enough to support development. The main detriment to intensification is likely to be dry air, and 92L could wrap in some of the dry air to its northwest at times, slowing down development. There are a number of research flights being made into 92L this afternoon that should help long-term efforts to make better predictions in the future on whether or not disturbances like this will develop or not.


Figure 2. Morning satellite image of Igor.

Igor
Hurricane Igor appears destined to become a large and powerful major hurricane over the Central Atlantic in the days to come. Wind shear is low, 5 - 10 knots, and is expected to drop below 5 knots for the next five days. Waters are warm, 28°C, and will warm to 29°C by Wednesday. Igor has moistened its environment enough to keep the dry air of the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) at bay. Igor is undergoing a period of rapid intensification today, and will probably be a Category 3 or 4 hurricane by Monday.

The track forecast for Igor remains unchanged. Igor will move west under the influence of a strong ridge of high pressure for the next 2 - 3 days, then turn more to the west-northwest then northwest in response to the steering influence of a broad trough of low pressure moving across the Western Atlantic on Tuesday and Wednesday. This should allow Igor to pass several hundred miles to the northeast of the Lesser Antilles. In the longer range, Igor may be a threat to Bermuda, and does have a small chance of making landfall on the U.S. East Coast or Canada. Climatology shows that about 15% of all tropical cyclones that have existed at Igor's current position have gone on to hit the U.S. East Coast; these odds are about 10% for Bermuda and 10% for Canada. The forecast steering pattern for the period 5 - 12 days from now from the ECMWF and GFS models shows a continuation of the pattern we've seen all hurricane season, with regular strong troughs of low pressure moving off the U.S. East Coast. This pattern favors Igor eventually recurving out to sea without affecting any land areas. Recent runs of the ECMWF model indicate that these troughs may not be as intense as previously thought, so it is possible Igor has a higher chance than usual to hit land than climatology suggests. One wild card may be the possible development of TD 12 behind Igor. If TD 12 develops into a hurricane, and moves close to Igor, as some of the models are suggesting, the two hurricanes could rotate around a common center, forcing Igor more towards the coast of the U.S. The long term fate of Igor is difficult to predict at this point.

Tropical Depression Twelve forms
Tropical Depression Twelve formed between the Cape Verdes Islands and coast of Africa this morning, and is already affecting the Cape Verdes with winds near tropical storm strength; sustained winds of 35 mph were recorded in the northwest Cape Verdes this morning. You can follow the progress of TD 12 through the Cape Verdes today using our wundermap.

Next post
I'll have a new post Monday morning, and perhaps late this afternoon if events warrant.

Jeff Masters
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301. CybrTeddy 04:00 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
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302. Progster 04:00 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Something was spinning out there on WV imagery last time I looked on Friday evening. NHC designated it an AOI yesterday, I suppose, but didn't expect much to come of it.


At the end of the season it may be deemed an unnamed subtopical system. It formed along the northern apex of the same easterly wave that spawned Igor and persisted with good rotation for several days, but was always too sheared to develop further.
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303. BahaHurican 04:01 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting sailingallover:

Earl left track bias happened for 5 days straight and ended up re-curving and passing 20 North around 68W rather than the 50W initially forecast
Igors was forecast to pass 20N at 50W on Wednesday morning.
Thursday it was 55W
Friday 60W and looking very earl like.
Yesterday shifted back right to 55W and has been fairly stable since.
I wouldn't be surprised to see another Earl-like track, at least up to about 70W. After that, I'm still trying to figure. One thing I'm fairly sure about is that we're unlikely to see less than a major at 70W, regardless of how far north it is at that point. And I seriously doubt we'll see a recurve to Nward track before that point [though I would love to be wrong about that...]
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304. MZT 04:03 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Interesting comments by Bastardi. I give him more credit in his written analysis than what he has to quickly explain on TV.
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305. MiamiHurricanes09 04:03 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting tornadolarkin:

I agree. Do you think he's undergoing RI?
Yes.
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306. CybrTeddy 04:03 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
AL, 92, 2010091212, , BEST, 0, 157N, 707W, 25, 1007
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307. cheaterwon 04:03 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting BahaHurican:
This is the first in a while that I've seen which might potentially aspire to the label "annular". NOT saying it's that way now, mind u....
What effect would that have on the track of a hurricane?
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308. Cotillion 04:03 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Remember folks, once you get into major hurricanes, ACE really shoots up.

ACE Quick Tutorial

And Bastardi's measure of a season by a maximum recorded pressure only is ridiculous. Of all the things to measure a season, that's one of the least accurate to make any informed statement.
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309. MiamiHurricanes09 04:04 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
When is recon scheduled to go into 92L?
I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. SUSPECT AREA (CENTRAL CARIBBEAN)
FLIGHT ONE -- TEAL 70
A. 12/1800Z
B. AFXXX 01EEA INVEST
C. 12/1145Z
D. 15.5N 70.0W
E. 12/1700Z TO 12/2100Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT
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310. plywoodstatenative 04:04 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
the issue with an earl like track is any wobble south or to the west puts all of us in the path. So I would not go as far as to say that, I want to see whether the weakness that is being talked about happens, before I speak about that. Remember we all saw that weakness that Earl hit start to close up before he shot through there. So if that weakness does close up before Igor gets there, then all bets are off. If he is a stronger storm than forecast, all bets are off.
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311. BenBIogger 04:04 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting RMM34667:
IF Igor were to become annular, would that change the forecast?


Yes, But not by a lot track-wise.
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312. Hhunter 04:05 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting MZT:
Interesting comments by Bastardi. I give him more credit in his written analysis than what he has to quickly explain on TV.


bastardi predicted early earl going further west than nhc called for but never hyped a direct earl hit but side swipe..so he has gravitas already this season and in this situation
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313. LBAR 04:05 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
What are the odds of TD 12 pulling Igor "back" a little?
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314. washingtonian115 04:06 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
"I mean we all expected Igor to be a monster"
I for one did.And I predicted several months in advance that Igor will probaly be a long track powerful cape verde storm.
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315. stormwatcherCI 04:08 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting MZT:

No, we're done with that. I was confused because he posted an image of 92L with a caption describing TD12.
He is a she and I posted 92L image and I said 92L but the floater was labeled AL12. Done now.
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317. tornadolarkin 04:09 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Yes.

Ok, that's what I was thinking, just making sure.
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319. washingtonian115 04:11 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Hhunter:


bastardi predicted early earl going further west than nhc called for but never hyped a direct earl hit but side swipe..so he has gravitas already this season and in this situation
So far he hasn't hyped any storm this season.The media wih Earl?.Different story........
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320. RMM34667 04:12 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting BenBIogger:


Yes, But not by a lot track-wise.


Thanks, From what I read annular hurricanes do not lose intensity as quickly, and maintain strenght in adverse conditions. Suppose an annular hurricane took a similar path as Earl. Earl seemed to go from a CAT 4 to CAT2 in the blink of an eye. Is my understanding correct in that an annular storm would be able to hold on to the CAT4 as it brushed NE and headed for Canadian Maritines?

That would be scary. I was glad to read they are VERY RARE.
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321. sailingallover 04:12 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
One more thing about igors track is the warm moist air being brought up from the south by 92L(which is right where 92L that became Alex is) will help enhance the weakness in the ridge. The trof ans 92L appear to be interacting a bit at upper levels in IR sat loops
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322. MiamiHurricanes09 04:13 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting RecordSeason:
If you look at the loop, you'll notice that it is firing very deep convection around the entire eyewall, particularly the eastern semicircle.

Igor continues to undergo rapid intensification.
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323. LongIslandXpress38 04:13 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Igor is going to bang a right like Earl, but probably a bit sooner which potentially puts Bermuda in the crosshairs...
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324. sailingallover 04:14 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting LBAR:
What are the odds of TD 12 pulling Igor "back" a little?

It won't "pull" it back but if it weakens/blocks the ridge that is causing the trade winds which are pushing Igor west then Igor slows down.
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325. washingtonian115 04:14 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting RecordSeason:


"When I grow up, I wanna be a cat5!!"
Igor looks stronger than a 105 cat 2 hurricane.I'd say 120mph hurricane next advisory,the way this storm is streghtning.
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326. WeatherNerdPR 04:15 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting RecordSeason:


"When I grow up, I wanna be a cat5!!"

Still firing deep convection.
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327. Drakoen 04:15 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
I see TD12 formed this morning from that powerful tropical wave we were watching over the West African coast:

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328. Ryuujin 04:15 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
To me on the water vapor link on NHC's website, that trof is getting flattened out something fierce by the the high over Texas squishing out east and fast. If I'm crazy, please let me know.. but here is the image...

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329. jurakantaino 04:16 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting BahaHurican:
I can see that potentially happening. I'm more concerned about the 3 - 5 day period, since I'm not so convinced that trough will induce enough of a NW motion to keep Igor recurving at that point. And I'm not seeing much else out there to prevent an additional westward movement in the interim....
I'm in Puerto Rico. Does the slower foward motion good of bad for us in the NE caribbean?
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330. divdog 04:16 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting washingtonian115:
"I mean we all expected Igor to be a monster"
I for one did.And I predicted several months in advance that Igor will probaly be a long track powerful cape verde storm.
that is too hilarious to comment on. several months in advance .. how come u didn't let the nhc know. why don't u let them know exactly where it is going since your crystal ball works so well.
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331. ackee 04:16 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting CybrTeddy:
T# for 92L have increased..
12/1145 UTC 15.7N 70.7W T1.5/1.5 92L
expalain does this number increase mean a possible TD later today
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332. plywoodstatenative 04:16 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Drak whats your forecast with Igor, you were just about dead on with Earl, the question I also have: whats this about Bastardi, what is he saying that has people agreeing with him?
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333. Drakoen 04:17 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Igor probably a Category 4 hurricane right now.

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.1.1
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 12 SEP 2010 Time : 151500 UTC
Lat : 17:39:04 N Lon : 45:23:32 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
5.9 / 952.4mb/112.4kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
5.9 6.2 6.2

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334. washingtonian115 04:17 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Ryuujin:
To me on the water vapor link on NHC's website, that trof is getting flattened out something fierce by the the high over Texas squishing out east and fast. If I'm crazy, please let me know.. but here is the image...

i can't see it.But if you are indeed correct someone may be in trouble....
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335. Cotillion 04:18 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting RMM34667:


Thanks, From what I read annular hurricanes do not lose intensity as quickly, and maintain strenght in adverse conditions. Suppose an annular hurricane took a similar path as Earl. Earl seemed to go from a CAT 4 to CAT2 in the blink of an eye. Is my understanding correct in that an annular storm would be able to hold on to the CAT4 as it brushed NE and headed for Canadian Maritines?

That would be scary. I was glad to read they are VERY RARE.


That's correct to an extent. Still not properly understood (considering its rarity, can't blame scientists for that). Annular eye formation isn't permanent as some seem to think, it just puts off eyewall replacement cycles a bit longer. Eventually, it occurs though, and the hurricane returns to its default.

Annular eye formation is also only created when a storm attains 90% or more (approximately) of its MPI (maximum potential intensity).
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336. AstroHurricane001 04:18 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting RMM34667:


Thanks, From what I read annular hurricanes do not lose intensity as quickly, and maintain strenght in adverse conditions. Suppose an annular hurricane took a similar path as Earl. Earl seemed to go from a CAT 4 to CAT2 in the blink of an eye. Is my understanding correct in that an annular storm would be able to hold on to the CAT4 as it brushed NE and headed for Canadian Maritines?

That would be scary. I was glad to read they are VERY RARE.


Annular hurricanes typically do not survive in sea temperatures lower than 25C (77F). Earl very nearly became annular but developed outer bands. Igor has a better chance of doing so out in the Atlantic and seems to be wobbling AND developing a large eye.

Here's the list of favourable conditions for annular hurricanes again:

*An intensity 85% or greater from their theoretical maximum potential intensity,
*Weak wind shear from the east or southeast,
*A cold east wind at a high altitude (the 200 mbar pressure level),
*Near-constant sea surface temperatures between 25.4 °C and 28.5 °C, and
*Lack of relative eddy flux convergence at the 200 mbar pressure level, relative to the storm.
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337. LongIslandXpress38 04:19 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Link

Bye,Bye Igor! Say hi to Iceland!
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338. MiamiHurricanes09 04:19 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Igor will likely become the first category 5 hurricane of the season.
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339. originalLT 04:19 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
I guess that WSW motion of Igor was just a "wobble".
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340. 1344 04:19 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Both Igor and Julia will recurve IMO. Why is the EPAC so inactive?
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341. WeatherNerdPR 04:20 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:
Igor probably a Category 4 hurricane right now.

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.1.1
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 12 SEP 2010 Time : 151500 UTC
Lat : 17:39:04 N Lon : 45:23:32 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
5.9 / 952.4mb/112.4kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
5.9 6.2 6.2


Wow, he was a Cat1 in the morning. Definite RI.
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342. atmoaggie 04:20 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting cheaterwon:
I did Anadarco was not completed until 2002 so it wasn't around in 2001. Anyways thanks for all the great weather info and maps that you post.
Ehh, I won on a technicality. (I didn't know Anadarco was taller.)

So what do I win? (j/k)

About Igor's ACE, his KE on the probability distribution is right at the same for SS scale.



We'll see what 18Z shows with Igor's strengthening.
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343. BahaHurican 04:20 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
I like the way Bastardi is suggesting a whole new method of measuring storms as a way of being "right".... lol

Not that I'm against it - but a more scientific approach, suggested off season, might get me to take him more seriously.

re: 302, Progster, thanks for the follow-up on that yellow circle. I have to admit I wasn't following that wave once we got a TS off it. I'll be watching post season for a potential reclassification.
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344. tornadolarkin 04:21 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting Drakoen:
Igor probably a Category 4 hurricane right now.

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.1.1
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 12 SEP 2010 Time : 151500 UTC
Lat : 17:39:04 N Lon : 45:23:32 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
5.9 / 952.4mb/112.4kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
5.9 6.2 6.2


He's going nuts!!!!!!!
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346. plywoodstatenative 04:21 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Miami I won't be surprised if afterwards there are more than just this system that are reclassified as category 5 storms.
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347. AstroHurricane001 04:21 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
92L seems to be getting less organized, but some heavy rain looks possible for Haiti, especially in the southern parts this evening.

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348. WeatherNerdPR 04:21 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Igor will likely become the first category 5 hurricane of the season.

O_O
*Starts to hyperventilate*
Not very surprising though.
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349. Cotillion 04:23 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Link

As usual, ADT goes through the roof as soon as it sees an eye. You can see the figures - particularly raw T# - go up in a shot as soon as the eye is seen.

That said, this is probably a Category 3 at the moment.
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350. BahaHurican 04:23 PM GMT del 12 Settembre 2010    
Quoting cheaterwon:
What effect would that have on the track of a hurricane?
I don't know that becoming annular has a track effect per se. It has more to do with the strength and structure of the storm. AFAIK, annular storms are still subject to the same forces that direct non-annular 'canes.
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