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The Atlantic is quiet; Russian heat wave ends; huge 926 mb South Indian Ocean storm
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 02:09 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010 +5
A tropical wave in the western Caribbean approaching Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula is generating disorganized thunderstorms. Wind shear is a moderate 10 - 15 knots over the region, and water vapor satellite images show that there is some dry air to the west that will interfere with any development that might occur. None of the reliable computer models develop this wave, and NHC is giving it a 10% chance of developing into a tropical depression.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of the disturbed region of weather of the coast of Africa, south of the Cape Verdes Islands.

The GFS, NOGAPS, and ECMWF models continue to predict that a tropical storm will form between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands sometime in the period 3 - 6 days from now. There is an area of disturbed weather south of the Cape Verdes Islands, but there is no obvious organization to the cloud pattern. Wind shear is a hefty 20 - 30 knots in the region, and the disturbance is a 1 - 2 day journey away from reaching a lower shear area where development can occur. Preliminary indications are that if a storm did develop in this region, it would track west-northwest and pass well to the northeast of the Lesser Antilles Islands 7 - 8 days from now. However, 7-day forecasts of a storm that hasn't even formed yet are not to be trusted.


Figure 2. The cold front that brought an end to the Great Russian Heat Wave of 2010 lies east of Moscow in the NASA MODIS photo taken at 8:35 UTC August 19, 2010. Smoke from wildfires is visible over a wide swath of Russia east of the front. Image credit: NASA.

The Great Russian Heat Wave of 2010 ends
A powerful cold front swept through Russia yesterday and today, finally bringing an end to the Great Russian Heat Wave of 2010. Temperatures at Moscow's Domodedovo airport hit 25°C (77°F) today, which is still 4°C (7°F) above average, but the high temperature since late June. Moscow has seen 62 consecutive days with a high temperature above average, but the latest forecast for Moscow predicts that remarkable string will come to an end Friday, when the high will reach just 17°C (62°F).

Massive 926 mb extratropical storm generating huge waves off Antarctica
One of the most intense extratropical storms in recent years is churning up the waters near the coast of Antarctica in the South Indian Ocean. The powerful storm peaked in intensity yesterday afternoon with a central pressure of 926 mb--the type of pressure typically found in a Category 4 hurricane. Storms this intense form on average once per year, or perhaps less often, according to an email I received from Jeff Callaghan of the Australia Bureau of Meteorology. Since extratropical storms do not form eyewalls, the winds at the surface from this monster storm probably reached "only" 100 - 120 mph (equivalent to a Category 2 or 3 hurricane.) The storm is forecast to generate huge waves with a significant wave height of 13 meters (44 feet) today, according to the NOAA Wavewatch III model (Figure 3.) I have flown into an extratropical storm this intense--in 1989, I participated in a field project based in Maine that intercepted a remarkable extratropical storm that "bombed" into a 928 mb low south of the Canadian Maritime provinces. You can read my story of that somewhat harrowing flight here.


Figure 3. Satellite image taken at 8:10 UTC August 19, 2010, showing the intense extratropical cyclone that has weakened to 940 mb in the South Indian Ocean near the coast of Antarctica. Image credit: NASA.


Figure 4. Surface pressure analysis from 18 UTC August 18, 2010, showing a 926 mb low in the South Indian Ocean, just north of Antarctica. Image credit: Jeff Callaghan, Australia Bureau of Meteorology.


Figure 5. Predicted wave height from the NOAA Wavewatch III model for 2pm EDT (18 UTC) today, August 19, 2010. Peak wave heights of 13 meters (44 feet) are projected over ocean areas between Antarctica and Australia. Long-period waves (19 seconds between crests) up to 7 meters (22 feet) high are predicted to affect the southwest coast of Australia by Sunday. The waves are predicted to propagate eastwards to New Zealand 8 - 9 days from now, and be a respectable 4 - 5 meters high then.

Jeff Masters
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251. DaytonaBeachWatcher 04:41 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:
Just to recap...



LMAO JEFF
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252. spartankicker 04:42 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
I'm blown away that so many people already want to write off this storm based on models that flucuate wildly over the course of a few days...especially since said storm is NOT EVEN ORGANIZED YET!

All the people who actually know what they're talking about are refusing to predict the path 7 days from now because it foolish to do so.
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253. NEwxguy 04:42 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Yesterday the cry was west,west,today its fish,fish fish. Can we wait until we have something the models can grab a hold of? Tomorrow its going to the gulf,gulf.
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254. angiest 04:42 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting MTWX:
I love all of the arguing over path and models... All of which aren't worth anything until a storm actually forms... So what's the point???


It's fun.
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255. Neapolitan 04:43 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting LoneStarWeather:

That's like people who say "irregardless".


Not even close to being the same. Recurve is a verb meaning to curve or bend something backward. Where TCs are concerned, recurvation occurs when a westbound storm is picked up and flung "back" to the northeast. OTOH, irregardless is an outdated, internally-redundant, and "humorous" portmanteau of irrespective and regardless that means the same thing as, well, regardless.

So there you have it: recurve is scientific; irregardless is just silly.
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256. reedzone 04:43 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
People are starting to make sense on here now :)
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257. RyanFSU 04:44 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Jeff, the 926 hPa central pressure for the Southern Hemisphere storm is not unusual but typical for winter-time storms in the Southern Ocean. The background pressure in the Southern Hemisphere at those polar latitudes is on average 950-960 hPa during July and August, so a 920-930 hPa cyclone really isn't much to get excited about...
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258. Hurricanes101 04:44 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting NEwxguy:
Yesterday the cry was west,west,today its fish,fish fish. Can we wait until we have something the models can grab a hold of? Tomorrow its going to the gulf,gulf.


Absolutely not, you know how this blog can be? No patience whatsoever. It is either with the season being too slow for them or wanting to call a storm a Fish before it has even developed

Many don't seem to enjoy the tracking of the storm and watching it form, they just want to label it before it even forms. To be honest it takes a lot away from those who want to seriously track a storm and learn about how they form and what forces systems to move the way they do.
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259. LoneStarWeather 04:45 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting MTWX:
I love all of the arguing over path and models... All of which aren't worth anything until a storm actually forms... So what's the point???
Quoting angiest:


It's fun.

Plus, if you argue over something that never really happens, you can't be wrong!
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261. alaina1085 04:46 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
I have seen all of this said before, but until the storm actually forms im not getting to excited about a fish storm. Lately with how the patterns and wind shear maps have literally changed daily nothing is set in stone! If that were the case we would have had 3 hurricanes already by now... if not more.
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262. sporteguy03 04:47 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting IKE:


Yup....

I'll take another healthy helping of catfish....throw in some shoe-string fries this time...a helping of pork and beans...little ketchup for the fries...healthy piece of chocolate cake for desert...tall glass of iced Coke...and I'm set...





better get some tums with that lunch. :)
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263. LoneStarWeather 04:47 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:


Like GW theory.


* haha, funny. don't get started. Just mocking the debate, that is all. *

I knew that somehow this discussion would recurve back to GW. ;)
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265. MTWX 04:47 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting LoneStarWeather:
Quoting MTWX:
I love all of the arguing over path and models... All of which aren't worth anything until a storm actually forms... So what's the point???

Plus, if you argue over something that never really happens, you can't be wrong!

good point
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266. Hurricanes101 04:48 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting alaina1085:
I have seen all of this said before, but until the storm actually forms im not getting to excited about a fish storm. Lately with how the patterns and wind shear maps have literally changed daily nothing is set in stone! If that were the case we would have had 3 hurricanes already by now... if not more.


Someone finally gets it, good post
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267. StormSurgeon 04:48 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting NEwxguy:
Yesterday the cry was west,west,today its fish,fish fish. Can we wait until we have something the models can grab a hold of? Tomorrow its going to the gulf,gulf.


Don't waste your breath, the long range model worshippers are unflappable....
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268. IKE 04:48 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
GFS shows nothing else through September 4th. That is great news!
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269. reedzone 04:49 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Sorry DestinJeff, just adding some reality to the blog ;)
NOTHING IS SET IN STONE
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270. angiest 04:49 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting IKE:
GFS shows nothing else through September 4th. That is great news!


I thought long-range models are garbage. :)
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272. wunderkidcayman 04:49 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
hmm that vort is developing nicely SW of the CV Islands wow

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273. angiest 04:50 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
The remnants of our CV storm are quite strong:

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274. Hurricanes101 04:51 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting angiest:


I thought long-range models are garbage. :)


they are only garbage when they show 3 or 4 storms, but when they only show 1 or none; then they are to be trusted

*rolls eyes*
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275. Hotforstorms 04:52 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
;
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276. alaina1085 04:52 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


they are only garbage when they shows 3 or 4 storms, but when they only show 1 or none; then they are to be trusted

*rolls eyes*

Ha!
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277. miamiheat 04:52 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
,,,,,," The great active 2010 hurricane season",,,,,yeah right!!
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279. IKE 04:53 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting angiest:


I thought long-range models are garbage. :)


I've never said that.
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280. StormSurgeon 04:53 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
Sorry DestinJeff, just adding some reality to the blog ;)
NOTHING IS SET IN STONE


Sure there is:
Epitahhs,
Survey data
Pharao's faces
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281. RyanFSU 04:53 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Actually the 12Z GFS generates a Typhoon very close to the Chinese coast, typical of La Nina summers, btw.

To-be Danielle is still forecast to recurve into the North Atlantic = fish storm.

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282. ShenValleyFlyFish 04:53 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:


Like GW theory.


* haha, funny. don't get started. Just mocking the debate, that is all. *
Young man, have you no respect whatsoever?
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283. hydrus 04:53 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:
Man, there is more Mob Mentality here than in the Gambino Crime Family.
Give this to the Gambino,s......
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284. Enigma713 04:54 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


He Sure did:

At 36 hours, ridging filling in between the A/B high and Florida. There's also a small ridge just off to the west of the depression THAT MEAN NO FISH STORM....

*snicker*
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285. reedzone 04:54 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:
The uselessness of models for systems that have not yet formed does indeed appear to be set in stone.

*I recommend using the type stone where you can add water and it becomes workable again.


You add alot of humor to the blog, that's awesome!
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286. wunderkidcayman 04:54 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
angiest yes tha is very true even I don't trust the models beyond 72-102 hours out
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287. wayfaringstranger 04:55 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
7 to 10 days out is a lot of time. I am having a hard time seeing how this recurves when the troph is located pretty far north and for that, a weak troph.

Did anyone notice the vorticity on all levels for this system leaving the coast? 850, 500, 250 - all layers are very strong.
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288. ShenValleyFlyFish 04:55 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting StormSurgeon:


Sure there is:
Epitahhs,
Survey data
Pharao's faces
Bench marks.
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290. Hurricanes101 04:55 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
276. alaina1085 4:52 PM GMT on August 19, 2010

Sadly it is pretty obvious that some put too much stock in the models. They are a tool that can give us a look into the future. It doesn't mean what they show will or will not happen. Can they be right? Of course, but all they are is a tool more than anything.

Also to only show the models when they do not show much activity is being fairly ignorant as well.
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291. CybrTeddy 04:55 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


they are only garbage when they shows 3 or 4 storms, but when they only show 1 or none; then they are to be trusted

*rolls eyes*


You hit the nail on the head.
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292. alaina1085 04:56 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:


Well, maybe not. Haven't you heard? Models for systems not yet formed are useless.

I think it is actually a Commonlaw Rule of the Road.

So are smart (you know what) comments.....
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293. caneswatch 04:57 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Y'all need to quit busting on Reed and listen to him. You guys are getting to worked up on something that hasn't even formed yet. Let it form and then we will see what will happen to it.
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295. WeatherNerdPR 04:57 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Good Morning/Afternoon WUnderbloggers!
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296. DaytonaBeachWatcher 04:58 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Points:

JP - 1
IKE - 1
DestinJeff - 3
Reed 11 all the same
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297. ShenValleyFlyFish 04:59 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Quoting DestinJeff:


Just the opposite, actually. Which is why I can mock the debate.
I figured i didn't need a sarcasm flag for you.
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298. IKE 04:59 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
Models are only garbage when they show no development. Have em show multiple storms in a 16 day period and some WU bloggers will jump all over it. The wave train is open for business...multiple storms are about to happen.

Oh well...if the GFS is correct, everyone on here gets their wish...a powerful cane that bothers no one.
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301. Hurricanes101 05:00 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010    
300. DestinJeff 4:59 PM GMT on August 19, 2010

you said it not me lol
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