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The Atlantic is quiet; Russian heat wave ends; huge 926 mb South Indian Ocean storm
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 02:09 PM GMT del 19 Agosto 2010 +5
A tropical wave in the western Caribbean approaching Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula is generating disorganized thunderstorms. Wind shear is a moderate 10 - 15 knots over the region, and water vapor satellite images show that there is some dry air to the west that will interfere with any development that might occur. None of the reliable computer models develop this wave, and NHC is giving it a 10% chance of developing into a tropical depression.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of the disturbed region of weather of the coast of Africa, south of the Cape Verdes Islands.

The GFS, NOGAPS, and ECMWF models continue to predict that a tropical storm will form between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands sometime in the period 3 - 6 days from now. There is an area of disturbed weather south of the Cape Verdes Islands, but there is no obvious organization to the cloud pattern. Wind shear is a hefty 20 - 30 knots in the region, and the disturbance is a 1 - 2 day journey away from reaching a lower shear area where development can occur. Preliminary indications are that if a storm did develop in this region, it would track west-northwest and pass well to the northeast of the Lesser Antilles Islands 7 - 8 days from now. However, 7-day forecasts of a storm that hasn't even formed yet are not to be trusted.


Figure 2. The cold front that brought an end to the Great Russian Heat Wave of 2010 lies east of Moscow in the NASA MODIS photo taken at 8:35 UTC August 19, 2010. Smoke from wildfires is visible over a wide swath of Russia east of the front. Image credit: NASA.

The Great Russian Heat Wave of 2010 ends
A powerful cold front swept through Russia yesterday and today, finally bringing an end to the Great Russian Heat Wave of 2010. Temperatures at Moscow's Domodedovo airport hit 25°C (77°F) today, which is still 4°C (7°F) above average, but the high temperature since late June. Moscow has seen 62 consecutive days with a high temperature above average, but the latest forecast for Moscow predicts that remarkable string will come to an end Friday, when the high will reach just 17°C (62°F).

Massive 926 mb extratropical storm generating huge waves off Antarctica
One of the most intense extratropical storms in recent years is churning up the waters near the coast of Antarctica in the South Indian Ocean. The powerful storm peaked in intensity yesterday afternoon with a central pressure of 926 mb--the type of pressure typically found in a Category 4 hurricane. Storms this intense form on average once per year, or perhaps less often, according to an email I received from Jeff Callaghan of the Australia Bureau of Meteorology. Since extratropical storms do not form eyewalls, the winds at the surface from this monster storm probably reached "only" 100 - 120 mph (equivalent to a Category 2 or 3 hurricane.) The storm is forecast to generate huge waves with a significant wave height of 13 meters (44 feet) today, according to the NOAA Wavewatch III model (Figure 3.) I have flown into an extratropical storm this intense--in 1989, I participated in a field project based in Maine that intercepted a remarkable extratropical storm that "bombed" into a 928 mb low south of the Canadian Maritime provinces. You can read my story of that somewhat harrowing flight here.


Figure 3. Satellite image taken at 8:10 UTC August 19, 2010, showing the intense extratropical cyclone that has weakened to 940 mb in the South Indian Ocean near the coast of Antarctica. Image credit: NASA.


Figure 4. Surface pressure analysis from 18 UTC August 18, 2010, showing a 926 mb low in the South Indian Ocean, just north of Antarctica. Image credit: Jeff Callaghan, Australia Bureau of Meteorology.


Figure 5. Predicted wave height from the NOAA Wavewatch III model for 2pm EDT (18 UTC) today, August 19, 2010. Peak wave heights of 13 meters (44 feet) are projected over ocean areas between Antarctica and Australia. Long-period waves (19 seconds between crests) up to 7 meters (22 feet) high are predicted to affect the southwest coast of Australia by Sunday. The waves are predicted to propagate eastwards to New Zealand 8 - 9 days from now, and be a respectable 4 - 5 meters high then.

Jeff Masters
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1401. xcool 01:32 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    


low pressures anomalies
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1402. caneswatch 01:34 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Grothar:


Using Paint Brush, again? Not nice to fool with Mother Nature. LOL


Evening Grothar, long time no see.
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1403. blsealevel 01:34 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
quote button is having some kind of nervous break down sorry
anyway dont know nothing about the ballons at sea but i do no if you input data and its incorrect it will throw off all other varibals at the end of the day
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1404. Stormchaser2007 01:34 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting StormSurgeon:


Too far East,,,


Definitely not too far east.

Bertha in 2008 was tagged an invest a few hours after it emerged from Africa.
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1405. HaboobsRsweet 01:34 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
It isnt an invest because it isnt organized enough yet and being as far east and unorganized the models will only spit out junk. Probably an invest in 48 hours. Maybe 24 if they want to get a better feel what what the models are thinking.
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1406. centex 01:34 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Whats the hold up on tagging the AOI a Invest?
When they think organization trends will continue, I guess creates a little work to setup and don't want to setup and have to take it down.
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1407. kmanislander 01:34 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Good evening folks

I see that the pre invest agony continues.

This one looks like it will make Invest status tomorrow if it persists. The NHC are probably waiting for it to pull away from the coast and establish some longevity as it begins the trek to the West. Convection is not concentrated but the 850 mb vorticity looks good.

If the system does not die down tonight I think it stands a fair chance of becoming a TD in 48 hrs. The buoy nearest its current location has been showing W and WSW winds for some time now and relatively low surface pressure.
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1408. washingtonian115 01:35 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
According to Mark Sudduth the models only go by satalite weather patterns,and not the surface,especially dealing with the ocean.
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1409. reedzone 01:35 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Second discussion on TD6 (Frances)

THE DEPRESSION IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST OR 280 DEGREES AT 15 KNOTS.
CURRENTLY...THE CYCLONE IS SOUTH OF A STRONG SUBTROPICAL RIDGE BUT
UNANIMOUSLY...ALL GLOBAL MODELS WEAKEN THE RIDGE AS A MID-LATITUDE
TROUGH MOVES EASTWARD ACROSS THE ATLANTIC. THIS PATTERN SHOULD
FORCE THE CYCLONE TO MOVE TOWARD THE NORTHWEST WITH A GRADUAL
DECREASE IN FORWARD SPEED BEYOND 3 DAYS.
BECAUSE OF CONTINUITY...
THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PREVIOUS ONE BUT IT IS
STILL TO THE LEFT OF THE GFDL AND THE CONSENSUS MODELS. MOST LIKELY
THE TRACK HAS TO BE ADJUSTED TO THE RIGHT LATER TODAY IF MODELS
INSIST ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MID-ATLANTIC TROUGH. AT THIS
TIME...THE OFFICIAL FORECAST AND AVAILABLE TRACK MODELS SUGGEST
THAT THE CYCLONE WILL TURN NORTHWESTWARD WELL-EAST OT THE LESSER
ANTILLES IN 4 OR 5 DAYS.

Sounds familiar to me on what the models are showing, it's really all on the timing, if the ridge can build back in time to catch the storm.
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1410. Greyelf 01:37 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
#1342
Quoting FLPandhandleJG:


Ooh. what a purty swirly thingy in the middle of the country. :P
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1411. DoubleAction 01:37 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Fish storm! ... it's going to be hard to track something that hasn't even formed yet, still over a thousand miles out to boot.
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1412. StormSurgeon 01:37 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:

I used to more often but everyone puts me on ignore since I guess I am a downcaster however the last two years that has pretty much panned out so far. This wave looks like it could be a beast. We are still 5-7 days away from truely knowing anything. looks good now but still has a long way to go.


No worries, ask politely to be removed from the ignore lists and be cool. Most will comply...as long as you do.
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1413. scott39 01:37 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:
Good evening folks

I see that the pre invest agony continues.

This one looks like it will make Invest status tomorrow if it persists. The NHC are probably waiting for it to pull away from the coast and establish some longevity as it begins the trek to the West. Convection is not concentrated but the 850 mb vorticity looks good.

If the system does not die down tonight I think it stands a fair chance of becoming a TD in 48 hrs. The buoy nearest its current location has been showing W and WSW winds for some time now and relatively low surface pressure.
Is there dry air to deal with?
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1414. HaboobsRsweet 01:38 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
It is pretty obvious that there is one major factor on the track. It is the position of the ridge. Highs steer weather not Lows. So yes watching the ridge over the next 4 days will give a better indication of where it may go. Models have no clue this far out. 72-96 hours the models do decent but anything over that has to be used with caution.
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1417. xcool 01:39 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
ha
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1419. kmanislander 01:40 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Is there dry air to deal with?


Not as bad as a few days ago. You can see from the image below that there is moisture out ahead of the system for quite some distance.

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1420. eye 01:40 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
based on my observations of this blog

models point to landfall in the USA...people post doom and gloom and "hope" it does not verify and the models are GOD and 100% right.

models point to early fish...models are junk! dont believe them!
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1421. TropicalAnalystwx13 01:40 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:
It isnt an invest because it isnt organized enough yet and being as far east and unorganized the models will only spit out junk. Probably an invest in 48 hours. Maybe 24 if they want to get a better feel what what the models are thinking.


Err, this may be a TD in 48 hours!
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1422. blsealevel 01:40 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting washingtonian115:
According to Mark Sudduth the models only go by satalite weather patterns,and not the surface,especially dealing with the ocean.


who is Mark Sudduth thats twice i saw that name here today
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1423. lahurrbuff 01:40 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Please enough talk about Frances...can we just keep our focus on the what should be Invest at hand here. It appears to be gathering steam and is looking quite impressive on radar!! Should be an Invest tomorrow unless the NHC is scared..
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1424. scott39 01:42 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


Not as bad as a few days ago. You can see from the image below that there is moisture out ahead of the system for quite some distance.

Do you have a short or long term track forecast?
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1425. HaboobsRsweet 01:42 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:


Err, this may be a TD in 48 hours!

I respectfully disagree but there is always that chance. NHC only has it at 20% for next 48hours. They tend not to just jump up that fast. I would look at around 72 to 96 hours for TD. It def is still looking good and getting better each day. things just take time.
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1426. kmanislander 01:43 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting pilotguy1:


It's painful watching the blog right now.


That's because it has been slow for August out in the basin. That is changing though and by the end of the weekend and going into next week I think there will be something to track.
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1428. DoubleAction 01:44 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:
It is pretty obvious that there is one major factor on the track. It is the position of the ridge. Highs steer weather not Lows. So yes watching the ridge over the next 4 days will give a better indication of where it may go. Models have no clue this far out. 72-96 hours the models do decent but anything over that has to be used with caution.


Another major factor is how strong a system it will become, right now the assumption is it will form early, and intensify fairly quick .. anyones guess right now.
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1430. StormSurgeon 01:46 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Pat, you here?
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1431. xcool 01:46 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
08 19 2000 11.46 -23.00 SW 6 - 29.81 - - 82.8
08 19 1600 11.47 -22.99 WSW 15 - 29.78 - - 82.8
08 19 1400 11.46 -23.00 W 12 - 29.82 - - 82.9
08 19 1100 11.46 -22.99 WSW 19 - 29.85 - - 82.9
08 19 0800 11.46 -23.00 WSW 21 - 29.79 - - 82.9
08 19 0500 11.46 -22.99 WSW 20 - 29.79 - - 83.1
08 19 0300 11.46 -22.99 W 22 - 29.80 - - 83.1
08 18 2100 11.47 -23.01 WNW 16 - 29.85 - - 83.3
08 18 1700 11.47 -23.01 WSW 18 - 29.83 - - 83.3
08 18 1600 11.47 -23.00
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1432. HaboobsRsweet 01:46 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting DoubleAction:


Another major factor is how strong a system it will become, right now the assumption is it will form early, and intensify fairly quick .. anyones guess right now.

Intensity of the system can help weaken the ridge hence affect the track. The stronger the storm the more it slows down as well allowing the ridge to adjust. So indirectly the intensity does affect it because of how it affects the ridge. A low will not cross over a ridge. it is like running into a wall.
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1433. Gearsts 01:47 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:
It isnt an invest because it isnt organized enough yet and being as far east and unorganized the models will only spit out junk. Probably an invest in 48 hours. Maybe 24 if they want to get a better feel what what the models are thinking.
Thats not it.Is cause theres no rush
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1434. kmanislander 01:47 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Do you have a short or long term track forecast?


Short term ( 24 hrs )the feature will head due West. After that who knows. Depends on too many unknowns.

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1435. centex 01:47 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting lahurrbuff:
Please enough talk about Frances...can we just keep our focus on the what should be Invest at hand here. It appears to be gathering steam and is looking quite impressive on radar!! Should be an Invest tomorrow unless the NHC is scared..
Scared? They may feel some pressure when bad system nearing land but wave in eastern ATL, more like bored and not wanting to create unnecessary work.
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1436. Tazmanian 01:47 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
jason2010xxxx is the bigets fishcaster on earth
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1437. lahurrbuff 01:48 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting DoubleAction:


Another major factor is how strong a system it will become, right now the assumption is it will form early, and intensify fairly quick .. anyones guess right now.


Very true DoubleAction...everyone has seen this seasons storms have had a rough time getting started, and we all know the weaker it is the farther west it will go. So you are right, and we will just have to sit back and wait to see what she does. (assuming she becomes Danielle)
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1438. scott39 01:48 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting kmanislander:


Short term ( 24 hrs )the feature will head due West. After that who knows. Depends on too many unknowns.

Thanks
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1439. HaboobsRsweet 01:48 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting btwntx08:


hmmmm also i agree with tropicalanayistwx13

Cool, that is why I love weather. The debate and competition. A real test of skill. Time will tell which one pans out.
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1440. SevereHurricane 01:49 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting jason2010xxxx:
tropical update time from jason video.


LOL!!!
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1442. GainesvilleGator 01:50 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Hey ReedZone (post # 1409). I remember Frances as it knocked power out in the areas outside of Gainesville for over two weeks. Tropical systems wreck havoc well after making initial landfall.

Computer models are off by several hundred miles 5 days out. I have been seeing a lot bloggers on here posting the long-range models for a system that has not yet formed - good luck on that one.
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1443. RipplinH2O 01:50 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
I asked this earlier this week of the experts, with a minimal response. Now I ask the non-experts (no offense): A.C.E. is in the basement, yet all other indicators predict an explosive season any day now. Considering the historical greatest single year increase in A.C.E., is it still possible to have the predicted season, or, do factors exist that said experts are either unaware of or have not yet been considered?
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1444. Hurricanes101 01:50 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:

Cool, that is why I love weather. The debate and competition. A real test of skill. Time will tell which one pans out.


but alas I thought this was a FISH storm for sure?

you are telling me that may not be the case? *dies of shock*
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1445. xcool 01:53 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
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1446. scott39 01:54 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Is it "normal" for troughs to dive down in late August?
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1447. HaboobsRsweet 01:55 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Hurricanes101:


but alas I thought this was a FISH storm for sure?

you are telling me that may not be the case? *dies of shock*

I do not think I said this was a Fish storm for sure. I actually think this is the first time I posted about this wave. Been way to busy at work last 7 days to post. I do not like to take decent looking waves and predict a track this far out. I do try and forecast chances of formation this far out. Looking ahead I think this could easily be at least a Cat 3 hurricane but still too early to tell. Formation at some point is high but at the moment no idea where it is going.
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1448. Hurricanes101 01:56 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:

I do not think I said this was a Fish storm for sure. I actually think this is the first time I posted about this wave. Been way to busy at work last 7 days to post. I do not like to take decent looking waves and predict a track this far out. I do try and forecast chances of formation this far out. Looking ahead I think this could easily be at least a Cat 3 hurricane but still too early to tell. Formation at some point is high but at the moment no idea where it is going.


I don't either, I was more commenting because several people on here are calling this a fish storm already
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1449. raggpr 01:56 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting jason2010xxxx:
tropical update time from jason video.


LOL your videos are funny! they come with free music. It would be cool if "Alejandro" were the name of our next Storm
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1450. scott39 01:56 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
That Wave is massive in size!
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1451. HaboobsRsweet 01:57 AM GMT del 20 Agosto 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Is it "normal" for troughs to dive down in late August?

It happens but rare. The position of it opens up the LA, MS and AL. Hoping it moves out.
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