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Pakistan's Katrina; 94L could develop in Gulf of Mexico
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 03:23 PM GMT del 10 Agosto 2010 +4
The monsoon season of 2010 continues to generate havoc in Asia, as lingering rains from the latest monsoon low continue to affect hard-hit Pakistan, China, and India. At least 702 are now reported dead and 1,042 are missing in China's Gansu province, due to torrential monsoon rains that triggered a deadly landslide and extreme flooding on Sunday. At least 137 died in floods and landslides in the neighboring Indian state of Kashmir over the weekend, with 500 people missing. Monsoon flooding and landslides have also killed at least 65 people in Afghanistan in the past two weeks. But no country has suffered more than Pakistan, where monsoon floods have destroyed huge portions of the nation's infrastructure and killed at least 1600 people. The number of people affected or needing assistance has been estimated to be as high as 13 million people--8% of the nation's population. The disaster is the worst natural disaster in Pakistan's history, and is rightfully being called "Pakistan's Katrina."


Figure 1. The heavy thunderstorms of a monsoon depression lie over northwestern Pakistan near Islamabad in this visible satellite image taken by NASA's MODIS instrument on July 29, 2010. Image credit: NASA.

Monsoons: a primer
In summer, the sun warms up land areas more strongly than ocean areas. This occurs because wind and ocean turbulence mix the ocean's absorbed heat into a "mixed layer" approximately 50 meters deep, whereas on land, the sun's heat penetrates at a slow rate to a limited depth. Furthermore, due to its molecular properties, water has the ability to absorb more heat than the solid materials that make up land. As a result of this summertime differential heating of land and ocean, a low pressure region featuring rising air develops over land areas. Moisture-laden ocean winds blow towards the low pressure region and are drawn upwards once over land. The rising air expands and cools, condensing its moisture into some of the heaviest rains on Earth--the monsoon. Monsoons operate via the same principle as the familiar summer afternoon sea breeze, but on a grand scale. Each summer, monsoons affect every continent on Earth except Antarctica, and are responsible for life-giving rains that sustain the lives of billions of people. In India, home for over 1.1 billion people, the monsoon provides 80% of the annual rainfall. However, monsoons have their dark side as well--hundreds of people in India and surrounding nations die in an average year in floods and landslides triggered by heavy monsoon rains. The most deadly flooding events usually come from monsoon depressions (also known as monsoon lows.) A monsoon depression is similar to (but larger than) a tropical depression. Both are spinning storms hundreds of kilometers in diameter with sustained winds of 50 - 55 kph (30 - 35 mph), nearly calm winds at their center, and generate very heavy rains. Each summer, approximately 6 - 7 monsoon depressions form over the Bay of Bengal and track westwards across India. Four monsoon depressions originated in the Bay of Bengal in the El Niño-weakened monsoon season of 2009. This year's first monsoon depression formed on July 24, crossed over India, and reached Pakistan on July 27. The rains increased in intensity over the next two days, peaking on July 29 and 30, when a low pressure system that moved across Pakistan from the west enhanced rainfall from the monsoon depression. Over the 3-day period July 28 - 30, torrential rains in excess of 8 inches (203 mm) fell in many regions of northwest Pakistan Rainfall amounts at two stations in the catchment basins of the Jhelum River and Indus River reached 19.49" (495 mm) for the month of July, and 7.56" (192 mm) fell in a single day, July 30, at Tarbela. A second monsoon depression arrived in Pakistan on August 3, and has brought additional heavy rains.

Are the this year's monsoon floods due to global warming?
No single weather event can be attributed to climate change, but a warming climate does load the dice in favor of heavier extreme precipitation events. This occurs because more water vapor can evaporate into a warmer atmosphere, increasing the chances of record heavy downpours. In a study published in Science in 2006, Goswami et al. found that the level of heavy rainfall activity in the monsoon over India had more than doubled in the 50 years since the 1950s, leading to an increased disaster potential from heavy flooding. Moderate and weak rain events decreased over the past 50 years, leaving the total amount of rain deposited by the monsoon roughly constant. The authors commented, "These findings are in tune with model projections and some observations that indicate an increase in heavy rain events and a decrease in weak events under global warming scenarios." We should expect to see an increased number of disastrous monsoon floods in coming decades if the climate continues to warm as expected. Since the population continues to increase at a rapid rate in the region, death tolls from monsoon flooding disasters are likely to climb dramatically in coming decades.

References
Goswami, et al., 2006, " Increasing Trend of Extreme Rain Events Over India in a Warming Environment", Science, 1 December 2006:Vol. 314. no. 5804, pp. 1442 - 1445 DOI: 10.1126/science.1132027

Dave's Landslide blog has some great discussions of the flooding and destruction wrought by the terrible monsoon rains this year in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, and China.

Donations urgently needed
The massive humanitarian crisis in Pakistan requires a huge response by the international community. Wunderblogger Dr. Ricky Rood, author of our Climate Change Blog, has a friend working in Pakistan who underscored the desperate situation there:

This is the worst natural disaster in the history of Pakistan in terms of number of people and area affected. Although not as many people have been killed as in the 2005 earthquake, we have already nearly 900,000 displaced persons thus far just in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Crops are destroyed; shops, hotels, and other business have simply been swept away in Swat, which had just this year been cleared of Taliban and was on the way to recovery; and districts closer to Peshawar and parts of Peshawar district are still, or perhaps again after yesterday/today, under water. After the immediate emergency response, it will be years of rebuilding to replace what has been lost and to start to develop again. I know you have the power to control the weather, so if you cold give us a week or two without more rain at least we could keep the helicopters flying and give people a chance to go to their homes, recover what might still be there, set up tents if we can get enough to them, and start to clean up."

She gave the following recommendations for charities that do work in the flood-ravaged zone, and are effective at getting aid to those who need it the most:

Doctors Without Borders

The International Red Cross

MERLIN medical relief charity

The mobile giving service mGive allows one to text the word "SWAT" to 50555. The text will result in a $10 donation to the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) Pakistan Flood Relief Effort.

She mentioned that it is better to send money to the organizations doing the relief work than to try to organize shipments of goods.


Figure 2. Morning radar image of 94L from the Key West radar.

94L
A 1010 mb low pressure system (94L) near the Florida Keys is generating disorganized heavy thunderstorms over Florida and the adjacent waters, and could become a tropical or subtropical depression as early as Wednesday. Current Key West radar shows the rotation of the storm, but the thunderstorm activity has not yet organized into low-level spiral bands. A few areas in the Keys and extreme South Florida have seen 1 - 2 inches of rain thus far from 94L. Wind shear is currently a moderate 10 - 20 knots over 94L, and water temperatures are very warm, 30 - 31°C. Water vapor satellite imagery shows that 94L is forming beneath an upper-level low with plenty of dry air, and there is a substantial flow of dry, continental air wrapping into 94L. This dry air is retarding the development of 94L, and may force the storm to organize into a subtropical storm instead of a tropical storm. A subtropical storm typically has a large, cloud free center of circulation, with very heavy thunderstorm activity in a band removed at least 100 miles from the center. The difference between a subtropical storm and a tropical storm is not that important as far as the winds they can generate, but tropical storms generate more rain. There is no such thing as a subtropical hurricane. If a subtropical storm intensifies enough to have hurricane force winds, than it must have become fully tropical. It usually takes at least two days for a subtropical storm to make the transition to a tropical storm.

Forecast for 94L
The latest SHIPS model forecast predicts that wind shear will stay in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the Gulf of Mexico this week. The storm's main problem will be dry air, and I don't expect 94L to undergo rapid development. Most of the models bring 94L ashore over Louisiana by Thursday, though the GFDL model predicts 94L could stall off the coast and not make landfall until Friday. If 94L does make landfall Thursday, it is unlikely to be a hurricane, due to all the dry air aloft in the Gulf. However, the GFDL model is predicting that the 1-day delay in landfall to Friday will allow 94L enough time to grow fully tropical and intensify into a Category 1 hurricane. I think this solution is unlikely. Storms that get their start underneath a cold, dry, upper-level low very rarely attain hurricane strength in three days. A 40 - 50 mph tropical or subtropical storm at landfall Thursday or Friday is a much more reasonable forecast.

93L
A tropical wave (Invest 93) in the middle Atlantic Ocean is close to tropical depression status. The disturbance has a well-defined surface circulation, but only a limited amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, thanks to dry air and wind shear of 10 - 20 knots affecting it due to a large upper-level low pressure system to the west. Wind shear is expected to stay in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next four days, which is low enough that 93L could become a tropical depression at any time during that period. NHC is giving 93L a 60% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Thursday morning. The GFS, GFDL, and HWRF models predict 93L will develop, and the GFDL forecasts that the storm will become a hurricane. A strong trough of low pressure moving across the central Atlantic is recurving 93L to the north, and the system should only be a concern to shipping interests. None of the reliable computer models are forecasting tropical cyclone development in the Atlantic over the next seven days, other than for 93L and 94L.

Moscow hits 99°F again today
Temperatures at Moscow's Domodedovo airport hit 37°C (99°F) today, the 28th day in row that temperatures have exceeded 30°C (86°F) in Moscow. The average high temperature for August 10 is 21°C (69°F). Moscow's high temperature have averaged 15°C (27°F) above average for the first ten days of August--a truly extraordinary anomaly. Smog and smoke from wildfires continued to blanket the city today, with the Russian Meteorological Agency reporting that pollution due to carbon monoxide, nitrogen dioxide, ozone, and hydrocarbons exceeding the safe limit by factors of 1.2 - 2.2. Air pollution levels peaked at 6.5 times the safe level on Saturday. As I reported in yesterday's post, the heat wave has likely killed at least 15,000 people in Russia so far. There is some slight relief in sight--the latest forecast for Moscow calls for high temperatures of 31 - 33°C (88 - 91°F) Wednesday though Sunday--still 20°F above normal, but better than the 27°F above normal so far this month.

"Hurricane Haven" airing again this afternoon
Tune into another airing of my live Internet radio show, "Hurricane Haven", at 4pm EDT today. Listeners will be able to call in and ask questions. The call in number is 415-983-2634, or you can post a question in the comments area on my blog during the show. You can also email the questions to me today before the show: jmasters@wunderground.com. Be sure to include "Hurricane Haven question" in the subject line. Some topics I'll cover today on the show:

1) Invest 94 and 93
2) A look ahead at the coming two weeks
3) Status of La Niña

Today's show will be about 30 minutes, and you can tune in at http://www.wunderground.com/wxradio/wubroadcast.h tml. The show will be recorded and stored as a podcast.

Jeff Masters
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2701. firecane 02:57 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
I think the strength discussion lies in this one statement from the most recent 11:00pm est discussion

THE TROPICAL CYCLONE WILL BE TRAVERSING VERY WARM...
NEAR 30 DEG C...WATERS. DYNAMICAL GUIDANCE...HOWEVER...INDICATES
THAT THE UPPER-LEVEL FLOW WILL BE ONLY MARGINALLY CONDUCIVE FOR
INTENSIFICATION WITH MODERATE EASTERLY SHEAR PREDICTED TO DEVELOP
OVER THE CYCLONE AS IT MOVES INTO THE NORTHERN GULF.

The battle is on...I tend to believe though that the warm SST's may have the upper edge though...we shall see
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2702. Beachfoxx 02:58 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
{{{Pottery}}}
No worse than a Summer Line Wind Squall - only lasting longer... cooling things down a bit. Lots of dry air seems to be keeping this one under control.
How you be???
Quoting pottery:
Discussion brings it to 45 Kts, max.
I cannot see the thing getting more organized, without convection.............
So far, there is too much dry air where these systems are popping up.
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2703. scott39 02:58 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting pottery:
Discussion brings it to 45 Kts, max.
I cannot see the thing getting more organized, without convection.............
So far, there is too much dry air where these systems are popping up.
Look at TD5s center now. Convection growing!
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2704. 69Viking 02:58 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Beachfoxx:
Hey all....

Tropical Storm Warnings - wet weather & maybe cooler air? As long as it stays tropical most of us along the Northern GOM would welcome a day or wet, cool weather... : ) Just no H'cane force winds, please. And we'd prefer that any oil out in the GOM stay there instead of being pushed more inland.


Hey there Beachfoxx, long time no see! Yeah I'm like you, ready for a cool rainy day becasue it's definitely been a hotter than normal summer so far! I just wish I could get a day off from work to sit in the Gazebo and enjoy it! We don't have to worry about the oil, with it approaching us from the SE like Bonnie did it will push the oil to the West away from us which is a good thing for us but maybe not so good for those to our West.
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2705. sarahjola 02:58 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
it hasn't moved much all day.
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2706. Tazmanian 02:59 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Levi32:
Dang, check out the CFS MJO projections through early September:




look like will be vary busy
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2707. hydrus 02:59 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting sammywammybamy:
Full-screen
Station PLSF1
NDBC
Location: 24.693N 82.773W
Conditions as of:
Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:00:00 UTC
Winds: SSW (210°) at 21.0 kt gusting to 22.9 kt
Atmospheric Pressure: 29.88 in and rising
Air Temperature: 80.1 F
....The pressure is rising. This system is not doing much at the moment. That might change in a few hours though.
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2709. Tazmanian 03:00 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
I currently think that 05L will become a strong tropical storm (60mph or stronger) before making landfall in Louisiana.



09 you got mail
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2710. Levi32 03:00 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting reedzone:


You gotta stop reading my mind lol... Look at the structure of this system! A small cluster of storms is blowing up near the center.. watch, people will be shocked at what they COULD see in the morning. Not saying it will blow up, but it's in a sweet spot, just south of a developing anticyclone as noted by the CIMMS shear map. This really doesn't remind me of Bonnie at all.


This upper anticyclone ain't moving....it's land-locked. You don't get strong tropical cyclones with that. You want the upper high over the storm.

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2711. Beachfoxx 03:01 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
2704. 69Viking,

Nothing like a little Tropical System to bring us all out...
Yep, a nice cooler day, a bit of rain, some gusting winds... sounds good.
Oh, and pushing the oil away = good too.

Did you know we've had tarballs & oil in Choctaw Bay? The news media has mentioned it once... but there have been skimming operations at least 5 days that I have seen & yesterday oil was spotted as far east as the 331 bridge.
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2712. pottery 03:01 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Beachfoxx:
{{{Pottery}}}
No worse than a Summer Line Wind Squall - only lasting longer... cooling things down a bit. Lots of dry air seems to be keeping this one under control.
How you be???

Hey Foxx!!
But please keep an eye on it!! Stuff happens, as you know........
I been Great.
Wet. Mouldy. Muddy.
Just fine LOL
And you?
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2713. nolacane2009 03:02 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting StormW:
Back for a little.


Hey Storm good to see you again. What is your input on TD5?
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2714. MiamiHurricanes09 03:02 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Tazmanian:



09 you got mail
LOL!! I saw it.
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2715. Orcasystems 03:02 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
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2716. hydrus 03:02 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting pottery:
Discussion brings it to 45 Kts, max.
I cannot see the thing getting more organized, without convection.............
So far, there is too much dry air where these systems are popping up.
Good evening Pott. Are you all down there going to get deluged again or wot?
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2717. StormChaser81 03:02 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
You can see the ragged center on long range radar out of Tampa Bay Ruskin, FL.

Long range Tampa Radar
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2718. scott39 03:02 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting StormW:
Back for a little.
Is that convection burst at TD5s center a sign of more developement in the near future?
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2719. xcool 03:02 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
TD5 tropical storm 75mph before landfall

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2720. MiamiHurricanes09 03:02 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


This upper anticyclone ain't moving....it's land-locked. You don't get strong tropical cyclones with that. You want the upper high over the storm.

Holy! Look at that anticyclone associated with PGI25L.
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2721. Tazmanian 03:02 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
LOL!! I saw it.


ok
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2722. Tazmanian 03:03 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting scott39:
Is that convection burst at TD5s center a sign of more developement in the near future?



yes
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2723. Levi32 03:04 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Holy! Look at that anticyclone associated with PGI25L.


Yeah but it's not vertically stacked over PGI25L and that system is moving into a confluent environment aloft.
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2724. xcool 03:04 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Storms firing near the center ..
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2725. Beachfoxx 03:04 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
{{{Pottery}}}
Got my eyes open, will keep a stern look out, but I'm not too concerned about this one... If it changes & forms into something, I can have property secured in no time flat - lots of experience! LOL

Good to see you...doing good ---> won't get too chatty on Dr. M's or someone will "flag" me! LOL
Quoting pottery:

Hey Foxx!!
But please keep an eye on it!! Stuff happens, as you know........
I been Great.
Wet. Mouldy. Muddy.
Just fine LOL
And you?
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2726. reedzone 03:04 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
I don't see where everyone is getting the shear, it's Marginal.. look on the CIMMS! lol.. It's not hostile at all. This environment is not nearly as hostile as it was with Bonnie.
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2727. MiamiHurricanes09 03:05 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Yeah but it's not vertically stacked over PGI25L and that system is moving into a confluent environment aloft.
Yeah it's off to the NE. Interesting nonetheless.
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2728. will45 03:05 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting xcool:
TD5 tropical storm 75mph before landfall



umm thats not a tropical storm
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2729. 69Viking 03:06 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Beachfoxx:
2704. 69Viking,

Nothing like a little Tropical System to bring us all out...
Yep, a nice cooler day, a bit of rain, some gusting winds... sounds good.
Oh, and pushing the oil away = good too.

Did you know we've had tarballs & oil in Choctaw Bay? The news media has mentioned it once... but there have been skimming operations at least 5 days that I have seen & yesterday oil was spotted as far east as the 331 bridge.


Yeah I heard but don't completely trust the media, they tend to over exaggerate. I was on the water all day Saturday, spent a good deal at Crab Island and not one sign of oil there or anywhere I went in the boat and trust me I was looking for it! Regardless this system should help push it back to the West where it came from!
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2730. reedzone 03:06 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
I agree this won't rapidly form, but I do believe we will wake up to Danielle either 5-11 a.m.
I'm looking at landfall near NO at 50-60 mph. for now. Of course this is my own opinion.
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2731. hydrus 03:06 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting StormChaser81:
You can see the ragged center on long range radar out of Tampa Bay Ruskin, FL.

Long range Tampa Radar
It looks like a badly made batch of scrambled eggs my Grammy made in 68. but it will strengthen to cat-5 status in 15 minutes give or take. pfft.
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2732. pottery 03:06 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting hydrus:
Good evening Pott. Are you all down there going to get deluged again or wot?

Looks so, but not as bad as it looked earlier today.
A couple days of hot-sun would be very nice.
But ORCA wont let it shine.......
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2733. Tazmanian 03:06 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
I don't see where everyone is getting the shear, it's Marginal.. look on the CIMMS! lol.. It's not hostile at all. This environment is not nearly as hostile as it was with Bonnie.



i dont think they no how too read wind shear maps lol
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2734. xcool 03:06 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
WHXX01 KWBC 110053
CHGHUR
TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
0053 UTC WED AUG 11 2010

DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.
PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE
AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.

ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR

DISTURBANCE FIVE (AL052010) 20100811 0000 UTC

...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...
100811 0000 100811 1200 100812 0000 100812 1200

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 26.0N 84.0W 27.2N 85.5W 28.4N 86.5W 29.5N 87.5W
BAMD 26.0N 84.0W 27.1N 85.6W 28.5N 87.4W 29.7N 88.7W
BAMM 26.0N 84.0W 27.2N 85.5W 28.6N 86.8W 29.7N 87.8W
LBAR 26.0N 84.0W 26.6N 85.4W 27.5N 86.8W 28.3N 88.1W
SHIP 30KTS 32KTS 36KTS 39KTS
DSHP 30KTS 32KTS 36KTS 39KTS

...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...
100813 0000 100814 0000 100815 0000 100816 0000

LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON
BAMS 30.5N 87.7W 32.2N 87.2W 33.6N 85.8W 33.7N 85.3W
BAMD 30.9N 89.5W 32.9N 89.7W 35.1N 87.1W 36.7N 82.8W
BAMM 30.8N 88.0W 32.2N 87.2W 33.1N 85.2W 32.6N 83.8W
LBAR 29.0N 89.0W 30.4N 90.2W 32.2N 90.1W 34.3N 87.8W
SHIP 44KTS 52KTS 57KTS 57KTS
DSHP 33KTS 27KTS 27KTS 27KTS

...INITIAL CONDITIONS...
LATCUR = 26.0N LONCUR = 84.0W DIRCUR = 315DEG SPDCUR = 3KT
LATM12 = 25.6N LONM12 = 83.5W DIRM12 = 293DEG SPDM12 = 4KT
LATM24 = 25.6N LONM24 = 82.6W
WNDCUR = 30KT RMAXWD = 60NM WNDM12 = 25KT
CENPRS = 1007MB OUTPRS = 1012MB OUTRAD = 150NM SDEPTH = M
RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM

$$
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2735. Levi32 03:07 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
I don't see where everyone is getting the shear, it's Marginal.. look on the CIMMS! lol.. It's not hostile at all. This environment is not nearly as hostile as it was with Bonnie.


Not hostile yet it was never supposed to be hostile today. Water vapor will show you the outflow channel already getting squished over north Florida as the ridge builds in. Eventually this poleward channel will be nearly completely cutoff.

Shear won't be as bad as with Bonnie which is why she died and this won't. However, this should remain weak. Again, hopefully the oil folks don't get too overhyped up about this. Bonnie was a big fail with the state of emergency declared and all that.
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2736. F1or1d1an 03:07 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Beachfoxx:
{{{Pottery}}}
Got my eyes open, will keep a stern look out, but I'm not too concerned about this one... If it changes & forms into something, I can have property secured in no time flat - lots of experience! LOL

Good to see you...doing good ---> won't get too chatty on Dr. M's or someone will "flag" me! LOL


Ditto. Looks like Thursday will be wet here in NOLA (Mandeville actually). Hope it clears by Friday - have to drive home and head down to UCF on Saturday to move my eldest into her dorm...
2737. Orcasystems 03:07 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting pottery:

Looks so, but not as bad as it looked earlier today.
A couple days of hot-sun would be very nice.
But ORCA wont let it shine.......


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2738. MiamiHurricanes09 03:08 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Upper divergence isn't too impressive currently with 05L.

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2739. nolacane2009 03:09 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting reedzone:
I agree this won't rapidly form, but I do believe we will wake up to Danielle either 5-11 a.m.
I'm looking at landfall near NO at 50-60 mph. for now.


I don't know weather but I tend to have to agree with you. I believe this storm will shock everyone. No I do not believe a hurricane will form but I do believe a strong tropical storm.
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2740. TampaSpin 03:09 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Evening everyone.....TD5 appears to still not be completely Warm Core as i stated early this morning.
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2741. Beachfoxx 03:10 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Viking, I saw it in the Bay - its there... We had it all the way up towards Rocky Bayou last week... haven't been on the water since Saturday, when I did see some scattered tarballs near mid-bay bridge. We pulled the boat out & have been keeping it in dry storage at that place that shall remain un-named at the foot of mid-bay bridge... it's weird not having the boat at the dock behind the house.
On a positive note, I don't have to secure a boat if this Trop. System decides to be a problem... let the dry storage deal with it! : )
Quoting 69Viking:


Yeah I heard but don't completely trust the media, they tend to over exaggerate. I was on the water all day Saturday, spent a good deal at Crab Island and not one sign of oil there or anywhere I went in the boat and trust me I was looking for it! Regardless this system should help push it back to the West where it came from!
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2742. hydrus 03:11 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting pottery:

Looks so, but not as bad as it looked earlier today.
A couple days of hot-sun would be very nice.
But ORCA wont let it shine.......
Quoting pottery:

Looks so, but not as bad as it looked earlier today.
A couple days of hot-sun would be very nice.
But ORCA wont let it shine.......
No sunshine. Reminds me of one of my favorite songs...Rare tape)Link
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2743. reedzone 03:11 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Levi32:


Not hostile yet it was never supposed to be hostile today. Water vapor will show you the outflow channel already getting squished over north Florida as the ridge builds in. Eventually this poleward channel will be nearly completely cutoff.

Shear won't be as bad as with Bonnie which is why she died and this won't. However, this should remain weak. Again, hopefully the oil folks don't get too overhyped up about this. Bonnie was a big fail with the state of emergency declared and all that.


Hmm, I see your point. Guess we'll see what happens tomorrow.
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2744. Levi32 03:11 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting TampaSpin:
Evening everyone.....TD5 appears to still not be completely Warm Core as i stated early this morning.


It is. The upper low is just in proximity so the upper ridge is not symmetrical. It's over 30-31C water with cirrus flowing away from it anticyclonically which means warm air aloft. There's no way it's cold-core.
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2746. MiamiHurricanes09 03:12 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
PGI28L currently over western Africa looks rather impressive on satellite.



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2747. 69Viking 03:12 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Well it's certainly not doing anything crazy tonight so I'm signing off and will check back in the morning to see just how rainy and windy it will actually be tomorrow and Thursday. You all have fun and don't argue, it's going to do what it wants to do and none of the arguments here are going to change that LOL!
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2748. AllStar17 03:12 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    


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2749. Beachfoxx 03:12 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
OMG, Hey buddy!

No... doesn't seem possible that the oldest is in college already!!! Bet it clears out by Friday, these things move out of here quickly... you should have a nice dry drive.
Quoting F1or1d1an:


Ditto. Looks like Thursday will be wet here in NOLA (Mandeville actually). Hope it clears by Friday - have to drive home and head down to UCF on Saturday to move my eldest into her dorm...
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2750. Beachfoxx 03:13 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
All bad weather should be blamed on ORCA... it's always his fault.

LOL
Quoting pottery:

Looks so, but not as bad as it looked earlier today.
A couple days of hot-sun would be very nice.
But ORCA wont let it shine.......
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2751. pottery 03:15 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting hydrus:
No sunshine. Reminds me of one of my favorite songs...Rare tape)Link

Yeah!
Aint no sunshine...at all here LOL.
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