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Pakistan's Katrina; 94L could develop in Gulf of Mexico
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 03:23 PM GMT del 10 Agosto 2010 +4
The monsoon season of 2010 continues to generate havoc in Asia, as lingering rains from the latest monsoon low continue to affect hard-hit Pakistan, China, and India. At least 702 are now reported dead and 1,042 are missing in China's Gansu province, due to torrential monsoon rains that triggered a deadly landslide and extreme flooding on Sunday. At least 137 died in floods and landslides in the neighboring Indian state of Kashmir over the weekend, with 500 people missing. Monsoon flooding and landslides have also killed at least 65 people in Afghanistan in the past two weeks. But no country has suffered more than Pakistan, where monsoon floods have destroyed huge portions of the nation's infrastructure and killed at least 1600 people. The number of people affected or needing assistance has been estimated to be as high as 13 million people--8% of the nation's population. The disaster is the worst natural disaster in Pakistan's history, and is rightfully being called "Pakistan's Katrina."


Figure 1. The heavy thunderstorms of a monsoon depression lie over northwestern Pakistan near Islamabad in this visible satellite image taken by NASA's MODIS instrument on July 29, 2010. Image credit: NASA.

Monsoons: a primer
In summer, the sun warms up land areas more strongly than ocean areas. This occurs because wind and ocean turbulence mix the ocean's absorbed heat into a "mixed layer" approximately 50 meters deep, whereas on land, the sun's heat penetrates at a slow rate to a limited depth. Furthermore, due to its molecular properties, water has the ability to absorb more heat than the solid materials that make up land. As a result of this summertime differential heating of land and ocean, a low pressure region featuring rising air develops over land areas. Moisture-laden ocean winds blow towards the low pressure region and are drawn upwards once over land. The rising air expands and cools, condensing its moisture into some of the heaviest rains on Earth--the monsoon. Monsoons operate via the same principle as the familiar summer afternoon sea breeze, but on a grand scale. Each summer, monsoons affect every continent on Earth except Antarctica, and are responsible for life-giving rains that sustain the lives of billions of people. In India, home for over 1.1 billion people, the monsoon provides 80% of the annual rainfall. However, monsoons have their dark side as well--hundreds of people in India and surrounding nations die in an average year in floods and landslides triggered by heavy monsoon rains. The most deadly flooding events usually come from monsoon depressions (also known as monsoon lows.) A monsoon depression is similar to (but larger than) a tropical depression. Both are spinning storms hundreds of kilometers in diameter with sustained winds of 50 - 55 kph (30 - 35 mph), nearly calm winds at their center, and generate very heavy rains. Each summer, approximately 6 - 7 monsoon depressions form over the Bay of Bengal and track westwards across India. Four monsoon depressions originated in the Bay of Bengal in the El Niño-weakened monsoon season of 2009. This year's first monsoon depression formed on July 24, crossed over India, and reached Pakistan on July 27. The rains increased in intensity over the next two days, peaking on July 29 and 30, when a low pressure system that moved across Pakistan from the west enhanced rainfall from the monsoon depression. Over the 3-day period July 28 - 30, torrential rains in excess of 8 inches (203 mm) fell in many regions of northwest Pakistan Rainfall amounts at two stations in the catchment basins of the Jhelum River and Indus River reached 19.49" (495 mm) for the month of July, and 7.56" (192 mm) fell in a single day, July 30, at Tarbela. A second monsoon depression arrived in Pakistan on August 3, and has brought additional heavy rains.

Are the this year's monsoon floods due to global warming?
No single weather event can be attributed to climate change, but a warming climate does load the dice in favor of heavier extreme precipitation events. This occurs because more water vapor can evaporate into a warmer atmosphere, increasing the chances of record heavy downpours. In a study published in Science in 2006, Goswami et al. found that the level of heavy rainfall activity in the monsoon over India had more than doubled in the 50 years since the 1950s, leading to an increased disaster potential from heavy flooding. Moderate and weak rain events decreased over the past 50 years, leaving the total amount of rain deposited by the monsoon roughly constant. The authors commented, "These findings are in tune with model projections and some observations that indicate an increase in heavy rain events and a decrease in weak events under global warming scenarios." We should expect to see an increased number of disastrous monsoon floods in coming decades if the climate continues to warm as expected. Since the population continues to increase at a rapid rate in the region, death tolls from monsoon flooding disasters are likely to climb dramatically in coming decades.

References
Goswami, et al., 2006, " Increasing Trend of Extreme Rain Events Over India in a Warming Environment", Science, 1 December 2006:Vol. 314. no. 5804, pp. 1442 - 1445 DOI: 10.1126/science.1132027

Dave's Landslide blog has some great discussions of the flooding and destruction wrought by the terrible monsoon rains this year in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, and China.

Donations urgently needed
The massive humanitarian crisis in Pakistan requires a huge response by the international community. Wunderblogger Dr. Ricky Rood, author of our Climate Change Blog, has a friend working in Pakistan who underscored the desperate situation there:

This is the worst natural disaster in the history of Pakistan in terms of number of people and area affected. Although not as many people have been killed as in the 2005 earthquake, we have already nearly 900,000 displaced persons thus far just in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Crops are destroyed; shops, hotels, and other business have simply been swept away in Swat, which had just this year been cleared of Taliban and was on the way to recovery; and districts closer to Peshawar and parts of Peshawar district are still, or perhaps again after yesterday/today, under water. After the immediate emergency response, it will be years of rebuilding to replace what has been lost and to start to develop again. I know you have the power to control the weather, so if you cold give us a week or two without more rain at least we could keep the helicopters flying and give people a chance to go to their homes, recover what might still be there, set up tents if we can get enough to them, and start to clean up."

She gave the following recommendations for charities that do work in the flood-ravaged zone, and are effective at getting aid to those who need it the most:

Doctors Without Borders

The International Red Cross

MERLIN medical relief charity

The mobile giving service mGive allows one to text the word "SWAT" to 50555. The text will result in a $10 donation to the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) Pakistan Flood Relief Effort.

She mentioned that it is better to send money to the organizations doing the relief work than to try to organize shipments of goods.


Figure 2. Morning radar image of 94L from the Key West radar.

94L
A 1010 mb low pressure system (94L) near the Florida Keys is generating disorganized heavy thunderstorms over Florida and the adjacent waters, and could become a tropical or subtropical depression as early as Wednesday. Current Key West radar shows the rotation of the storm, but the thunderstorm activity has not yet organized into low-level spiral bands. A few areas in the Keys and extreme South Florida have seen 1 - 2 inches of rain thus far from 94L. Wind shear is currently a moderate 10 - 20 knots over 94L, and water temperatures are very warm, 30 - 31°C. Water vapor satellite imagery shows that 94L is forming beneath an upper-level low with plenty of dry air, and there is a substantial flow of dry, continental air wrapping into 94L. This dry air is retarding the development of 94L, and may force the storm to organize into a subtropical storm instead of a tropical storm. A subtropical storm typically has a large, cloud free center of circulation, with very heavy thunderstorm activity in a band removed at least 100 miles from the center. The difference between a subtropical storm and a tropical storm is not that important as far as the winds they can generate, but tropical storms generate more rain. There is no such thing as a subtropical hurricane. If a subtropical storm intensifies enough to have hurricane force winds, than it must have become fully tropical. It usually takes at least two days for a subtropical storm to make the transition to a tropical storm.

Forecast for 94L
The latest SHIPS model forecast predicts that wind shear will stay in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the Gulf of Mexico this week. The storm's main problem will be dry air, and I don't expect 94L to undergo rapid development. Most of the models bring 94L ashore over Louisiana by Thursday, though the GFDL model predicts 94L could stall off the coast and not make landfall until Friday. If 94L does make landfall Thursday, it is unlikely to be a hurricane, due to all the dry air aloft in the Gulf. However, the GFDL model is predicting that the 1-day delay in landfall to Friday will allow 94L enough time to grow fully tropical and intensify into a Category 1 hurricane. I think this solution is unlikely. Storms that get their start underneath a cold, dry, upper-level low very rarely attain hurricane strength in three days. A 40 - 50 mph tropical or subtropical storm at landfall Thursday or Friday is a much more reasonable forecast.

93L
A tropical wave (Invest 93) in the middle Atlantic Ocean is close to tropical depression status. The disturbance has a well-defined surface circulation, but only a limited amount of heavy thunderstorm activity, thanks to dry air and wind shear of 10 - 20 knots affecting it due to a large upper-level low pressure system to the west. Wind shear is expected to stay in the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, over the next four days, which is low enough that 93L could become a tropical depression at any time during that period. NHC is giving 93L a 60% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Thursday morning. The GFS, GFDL, and HWRF models predict 93L will develop, and the GFDL forecasts that the storm will become a hurricane. A strong trough of low pressure moving across the central Atlantic is recurving 93L to the north, and the system should only be a concern to shipping interests. None of the reliable computer models are forecasting tropical cyclone development in the Atlantic over the next seven days, other than for 93L and 94L.

Moscow hits 99°F again today
Temperatures at Moscow's Domodedovo airport hit 37°C (99°F) today, the 28th day in row that temperatures have exceeded 30°C (86°F) in Moscow. The average high temperature for August 10 is 21°C (69°F). Moscow's high temperature have averaged 15°C (27°F) above average for the first ten days of August--a truly extraordinary anomaly. Smog and smoke from wildfires continued to blanket the city today, with the Russian Meteorological Agency reporting that pollution due to carbon monoxide, nitrogen dioxide, ozone, and hydrocarbons exceeding the safe limit by factors of 1.2 - 2.2. Air pollution levels peaked at 6.5 times the safe level on Saturday. As I reported in yesterday's post, the heat wave has likely killed at least 15,000 people in Russia so far. There is some slight relief in sight--the latest forecast for Moscow calls for high temperatures of 31 - 33°C (88 - 91°F) Wednesday though Sunday--still 20°F above normal, but better than the 27°F above normal so far this month.

"Hurricane Haven" airing again this afternoon
Tune into another airing of my live Internet radio show, "Hurricane Haven", at 4pm EDT today. Listeners will be able to call in and ask questions. The call in number is 415-983-2634, or you can post a question in the comments area on my blog during the show. You can also email the questions to me today before the show: jmasters@wunderground.com. Be sure to include "Hurricane Haven question" in the subject line. Some topics I'll cover today on the show:

1) Invest 94 and 93
2) A look ahead at the coming two weeks
3) Status of La Niña

Today's show will be about 30 minutes, and you can tune in at http://www.wunderground.com/wxradio/wubroadcast.h tml. The show will be recorded and stored as a podcast.

Jeff Masters
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2351. blsealevel 01:05 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
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2352. Joanie38 01:05 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
BE RIGHT BACK....gonna check on some things...:)
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2353. homelesswanderer 01:05 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
RGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TROPICAL DEPRESSION FIVE LOCAL STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LAKE CHARLES LA
712 PM CDT TUE AUG 10 2010

...TROPICAL DEPRESSION FORMS OVER THE SOUTHEASTERN GULF OF
MEXICO...

.AREAS AFFECTED...
THIS LOCAL STATEMENT PROVIDES IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND
RECOMMENDED ACTIONS FOR PEOPLE AND MARINE INTERESTS IN SELECT
LOCATIONS AND COASTAL WATER STRETCHES OF SOUTHWEST LOUISIANA...
SOUTHEAST TEXAS AND ADJACENT COASTAL WATERS.

.WATCHES/WARNINGS...
A TROPICAL STORM WARNING AND A TROPICAL STORM WIND WARNING IS IN
EFFECT FOR THE FOLLOWING LOCATIONS...VERMILION...IBERIA AND ST.
MARY.

A TROPICAL STORM WIND WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR THE FOLLOWING
LOCATIONS...LOWER ST. MARTIN.

FOR MARINE INTERESTS...A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR
PORTIONS OF GULF OF MEXICO COASTAL WATERS AND ADJACENT COASTAL
LAKES AND BAYS.

.STORM INFORMATION...
AT 7 PM CDT...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION FIVE WAS LOCATED
NEAR LATITUDE 26.0N...LONGITUDE 84.1W. THIS WAS ABOUT 500 MILES
EAST-SOUTHEAST OF MORGAN CITY LA.
STORM MOTION WAS NW OR 315 DEGREES AT 6 MPH. STORM INTENSITY WAS
35 MPH.
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2354. pottery 01:06 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Ok this (00z) OFCI track is just not reasonable...barely takes it to a 45mph TS.

AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 0, 260N, 840W, 30, 0, LO, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 12, 272N, 856W, 32, 0, DB, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 24, 283N, 874W, 36, 0, DB, 34, NEQ, 37, 37, 24, 37,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 36, 291N, 892W, 34, 0, DB, 34, NEQ, 4, 4, 2, 4,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 48, 298N, 904W, 28, 0, DB, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 60, 304N, 910W, 25, 0, , 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 72, 313N, 910W, 23, 0, DB, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 84, 322N, 903W, 20, 0, , 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,
AL, 05, 2010081100, 03, OFCI, 96, 334N, 890W, 18, 0, DB, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0,

You are thinking it will be stronger than that ?
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2355. scott39 01:06 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Patrap:


I dont forecast. Im a Hobbyist,observer.
Always follow the NHC advisories and your Local Emg Mgt.
But my feeling is we've seen this scenario many times and if conditions allow,things can change quickly.
Thanks--Good advice
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2356. uncwhurricane85 01:06 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:
Waste of a good stew.

More like TD is a waste of good gulf stew. Stealing all that warm water for a later storm that will actually become something!
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2357. hurricanehanna 01:06 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Joanie38:


Where are you again Hanna???

Lafayette
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2358. newt3 01:06 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
looks like the panhandle has nothing to worry about with this one. maybe a little surf and a little rain.whewwwwwww
2359. earthlydragonfly 01:06 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting JupiterFL:


Seems like that would be the most sensitive button on the whole screen.


I must say I was very leery to press the button
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2360. RayT 01:06 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting clwstmchasr:
Interesting that the NHC did not label TD5 subtropical. I wonder if Dr. M. agrees with them?

well, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but dont subtropical systems have most of the convection quite some distance from the COC? On TD5 it is all at center. Typically a symptom of a more 'tropical' system.

I acknowledge this is not the only feature they look at, but I think it may have been one of the factors they looked at.
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2361. Abacosurf 01:07 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
It has picked up in forward speed it appears...
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2362. jlp09550 01:07 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Convection is diminishing. Though, DMAX should help tonight, correct?

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2363. MiamiHurricanes09 01:07 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Getting sick of this rain...I've got 1.64in so far today.

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2364. alaina1085 01:07 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting blsealevel:

That graph puts this sucka right ova me!
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2365. TropicalAnalystwx13 01:08 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting pottery:

You are thinking it will be stronger than that ?


A lot of people do.
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2366. NewBdoBdo 01:09 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Hi Hanna, I am in Lafayette too.
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2367. LADobeLady 01:09 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Patrap:


I dont forecast. Im a Hobbyist,observer.
Always follow the NHC advisories and your Local Emg Mgt.
But my feeling is we've seen this scenario many times and if conditions allow,things can change quickly.


I have visions of Cindy dancing in my head. Board up, not to board up that is the question!
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2368. Hurricanes101 01:09 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
93L convection developing over the center
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2369. HaboobsRsweet 01:09 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Getting sick of this rain...I've got 1.64in so far today.


Got that much in an hour Saturday night.
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2370. MiamiHurricanes09 01:09 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting pottery:

You are thinking it will be stronger than that ?
Yes. I wrote this a little earlier on Storm2k:

"Here's the thing (which is why I think that 05L will become a strong tropical storm/minimal hurricane). The ULL currently north of 05L (as noted on water vapor) is advecting westward. This ULL will be leaving the picture very soon along with the dry air. Now, the deep-layer ridge will begin to build back in tomorrow morning, thus it will begin to shear 05L starting tomorrow. However, this shear will be easterly. You may be thinking, shear is shear, this thing won't be able to develop. Well, easterly shear isn't as tarnishing to a westward moving cyclone as one may think. Why you may ask? Well, shear coming from the east towards the west essentially flows in tandem with the cyclone. As opposed to shear coming from the west moving towards the east going against the cyclones flow thus having a much more tarnishing affect. Yes, this is what happened with Bonnie. However, with Bonnie the easterly shear was much stronger and faster than the actual cyclone. This is not the case with 05L because the easterly shear is moving just as fast as 05L is, plus it won't be too strong. Catching on?"
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2371. nola70119 01:10 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
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2372. angiest 01:10 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting newt3:
looks like the panhandle has nothing to worry about with this one. maybe a little surf and a little rain.whewwwwwww


You never know. This one went to LA, then FL, and back to LA:

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2373. muddertracker 01:10 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting earthlydragonfly:


I must say I was very leery to press the button
roflmao..take the risk :)
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2374. OHS2USL 01:11 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting dsenecal2009:


tres bien, j'ai habiter en Louisiane et c'etait tres bon (baton rouge)... maintenant j'habite Texas, mais j'ai toujours le voiture plaque de Louisiane !



C'est genial et nostalgique!
2376. jlp09550 01:11 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting NewBdoBdo:
Hi Hanna, I am in Lafayette too.


Oh, you aren't too far from me. I'm in Abbeville. Been making trips to Lafayette daily for the past week though. My grandma is in the hospital at Lourdes.
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2377. Barbados 01:12 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting pottery:

If that GFS model is correct, the system moves through the Islands.
Not wanting that.........


Hi Pottery. What's your view of the wave just to our SE. Any devlopment before it reaches us.
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2378. earthlydragonfly 01:12 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting muddertracker:
roflmao..take the risk :)


I was afraid to get a friend for life.... The kind of friend you might not want... Not that there is anything wroooong with that!!!!!
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2379. SeaMule 01:12 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
I guess I'm blind. I don't see such a fast movement as forecast. However, who wants a large cat 3 anyhow? That being said....i do see a beginning of CDO starting around the COC. Look for a huge blowup over the next 6 hours. let's not forget we are 90 degree water, gang. I wonder if the forward speed of this is correct. If it lingers....
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2380. pottery 01:12 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Yes. I wrote this a little earlier on Storm2k:

"Here's the thing (which is why I think that 05L will become a strong tropical storm/minimal hurricane). The ULL currently north of 05L (as noted on water vapor) is advecting westward. This ULL will be leaving the picture very soon along with the dry air. Now, the deep-layer ridge will begin to build back in tomorrow morning, thus it will begin to shear 05L starting tomorrow. However, this shear will be easterly. You may be thinking, shear is shear, this thing won't be able to develop. Well, easterly shear isn't as tarnishing to a westward moving cyclone as one may think. Why you may ask? Well, shear coming from the east towards the west essentially flows in tandem with the cyclone. As opposed to shear coming from the west moving towards the east going against the cyclones flow thus having a much more tarnishing affect. Yes, this is what happened with Bonnie. However, with Bonnie the easterly shear was much stronger and faster than the actual cyclone. This is not the case with 05L because the easterly shear is moving just as fast as 05L is, plus it won't be too strong. Catching on?"

OK, thanks for that.
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2381. HaboobsRsweet 01:12 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Still TD05 is still way too broad and disorganized...wont have time to get act together. Weak TS at best. Low level pattern doesnt look good at all. Upper levels actually making this system look better than it truely is.
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2382. MiamiHurricanes09 01:12 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Convection developing over the circulation of 93L.

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2383. newt3 01:12 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
oh yes, remember elena.. i was in the 7th grade and had to evacuate twice. craziest path ever
2384. ShenValleyFlyFish 01:13 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting weatherwart:


Really? Now, I've eaten fresh water turtle. I don't know if I can say what we call them here in Florida... might be a bannable word. lol But snapping turtle? Never ate any snapping turtle.
I've eaten it. Can't say as I particularly recommend it. Chewy.
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2385. OpusDei 01:13 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
"SST Casters",
For all of you assuming explosion re system X, it is better thought of this way.
1. SSTs must be sufficient for SOME development
then
2. Environmental conditions must be favorable
then
3. if env. is favorable, think of SSTs as a cap on max wind/pressure drop.

In other words, SSTs that are necessary for development are on the low end, however high-end SSTs come into play as yielding low-pressure-bounds only occur iff the atmospheric environment is favorable.
2386. angiest 01:14 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Yes. I wrote this a little earlier on Storm2k:

"Here's the thing (which is why I think that 05L will become a strong tropical storm/minimal hurricane). The ULL currently north of 05L (as noted on water vapor) is advecting westward. This ULL will be leaving the picture very soon along with the dry air. Now, the deep-layer ridge will begin to build back in tomorrow morning, thus it will begin to shear 05L starting tomorrow. However, this shear will be easterly. You may be thinking, shear is shear, this thing won't be able to develop. Well, easterly shear isn't as tarnishing to a westward moving cyclone as one may think. Why you may ask? Well, shear coming from the east towards the west essentially flows in tandem with the cyclone. As opposed to shear coming from the west moving towards the east going against the cyclones flow thus having a much more tarnishing affect. Yes, this is what happened with Bonnie. However, with Bonnie the easterly shear was much stronger and faster than the actual cyclone. This is not the case with 05L because the easterly shear is moving just as fast as 05L is, plus it won't be too strong. Catching on?"


Bingo. Vector math.
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2387. scott39 01:15 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Yes. I wrote this a little earlier on Storm2k:

"Here's the thing (which is why I think that 05L will become a strong tropical storm/minimal hurricane). The ULL currently north of 05L (as noted on water vapor) is advecting westward. This ULL will be leaving the picture very soon along with the dry air. Now, the deep-layer ridge will begin to build back in tomorrow morning, thus it will begin to shear 05L starting tomorrow. However, this shear will be easterly. You may be thinking, shear is shear, this thing won't be able to develop. Well, easterly shear isn't as tarnishing to a westward moving cyclone as one may think. Why you may ask? Well, shear coming from the east towards the west essentially flows in tandem with the cyclone. As opposed to shear coming from the west moving towards the east going against the cyclones flow thus having a much more tarnishing affect. Yes, this is what happened with Bonnie. However, with Bonnie the easterly shear was much stronger and faster than the actual cyclone. This is not the case with 05L because the easterly shear is moving just as fast as 05L is, plus it won't be too strong. Catching on?"
Yea, I finally get it.LOL
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2389. hurricanehanna 01:15 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting NewBdoBdo:
Hi Hanna, I am in Lafayette too.

Well hey neighbor!
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2390. angiest 01:15 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting OpusDei:
"SST Casters",
For all of you assuming explosion re system X, it is better thought of this way.
1. SSTs must be sufficient for SOME development
then
2. Environmental conditions must be favorable
then
3. if env. is favorable, think of SSTs as a cap on max wind/pressure drop.

In other words, SSTs that are necessary for development are on the low end, however high-end SSTs come into play as yielding low-pressure-bounds only occur iff the atmospheric environment is favorable.


Well, in this case SST's are well more than enough, some 10-12 C higher than the minimum threshold. Atmospheric conditions and time seem to be the inhibiting factors here.

Of course, those incredibly hot SSTs look shallow.
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2391. BenBIogger 01:16 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
NAO back to neutral

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2392. weatherwart 01:17 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:
I've eaten it. Can't say as I particularly recommend it. Chewy.


I think I'll take your word for it.
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2393. angiest 01:17 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
No no, stormtop is back?
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2394. pottery 01:17 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting Barbados:


Hi Pottery. What's your view of the wave just to our SE. Any devlopment before it reaches us.

I dont expect any development over the next couple of days.
We will get some more rain though. Could be heavy too!
The NHC has a 10% chance of development in 48 hrs...
If it remains in the ITCZ it will have a hard time getting any spin,
But stranger things have happened.
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2395. cheetaking 01:17 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Heads up, people, looks like a bunch of bursts of convection are trying to wrap up the south side of the COC...

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2396. msgambler 01:17 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting tacoman:
this is a dangerous situation for se louisiana...pressures continue to fall and the depression continues to get better organized..I WOULD NOT AT ALL BE SURPRISED IF A HURRICANE WATCH IS ISSUED FOR SE LOUISIANA TOMORROW MORNING.....RAPID STRENGTHNING COULD DEVELOP AS THE ULL MOVES WEST QUICKLY..SHEAR WILL BE NO FACTOR FOR DANIELLE...THE HEAVY SQUALLS CONTINUE TO WRAP AROUND THE CENTER..DANIELLE IS MAKING HER OWN PATH..DANIELLE WILL BE A TROPICAL STORM BY 11AM TOMORROW AND A HURRICANE BY 11PM TOMORROW NIGHT...FOLKS THIS IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION...ILL BE BACK AT 11PM WITH MORE INFORMATION FROM MY WEATHER OFFICE...
I have always wondered if he moved up to a porta-let instead of the outhouse?
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2397. TropicalAnalystwx13 01:17 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Convection developing over the circulation of 93L.



"AN INCREASE IN THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY COULD RESULT IN THE FORMATION OF A TROPICAL DEPRESSION."

06L soon?
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2398. Hurricanes101 01:17 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
where can I find the tropical wave tracking that everyone has been talking about lately

were 93L and the area east of the Islands one tropical wave at one point or were they always separate?
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2399. hurricanehanna 01:17 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
stormtop get a new handle?
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2400. JupiterFL 01:17 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
Quoting earthlydragonfly:


I was afraid to get a friend for life.... The kind of friend you might not want... Not that there is anything wroooong with that!!!!!


I am pretty sure its the hurricane stimulator.
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2401. Orcasystems 01:18 AM GMT del 11 Agosto 2010    
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