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Ida lashing the Gulf Coast; no change in strength
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:16 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009 +1
Tropical Storm Ida is pounding the coasts of southeast Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and the Florida Panhandle with high winds, huge waves, and heavy rain. At 6 pm EST, the Mobile, AL NWS office reported that coastal flooding had begun on Dauphin Island and at Fort Pickens in the Florida Panhandle. Surf heights of 5 - 8' are expected tonight on Dauphin Island as Ida storms ashore, and heights of 10 - 15' are possible from Fort Morgan, Alabama to Destin, Florida. Sustained winds of 40 mph were reported at buoy 42007 22 nm miles south of Biloxi, MS at 4:50 pm EST, and winds of 40 mph, gusting to 51 mph, were recorded at Dauphin Island, AL, at 7:06 pm EST.


Figure 1. Estimated precipitation from the Mobile, AL radar shows that up to four inches of rain has fallen over the Louisiana bird's foot of the Mississippi River. Heavy rains are falling in MS, AL, and FL, and will exceed four inches in many locations.

The highest surface winds seen by the Hurricane Hunters since 3 pm have been 70 mph. Infrared satellite loops show that the big thunderstorm blow-up responsible for the small patch of hurricane-force winds recorded at 3 pm this afternoon has waned, and it is unlikely Ida has any hurricane-force winds.

The intensity forecast for Ida
There is no change to the intensity forecast for Ida. The high wind shear of 40 knots currently affecting the storm is forecast to increase to 50 knots by midnight, when the center of Ida should be crossing the coast. With Ida now over waters near 24°C, some weakening is to be expected before landfall. We can't rule out the possibility of an isolated tornado when Ida makes landfall, but the Storm Prediction Center Discussion maintains that the airmass in place over the Gulf Coast is relatively stable, and prospects for an appreciable severe weather threat appear low. Winds of tropical storm force will be extend from Southeast Louisiana to the Florida Panhandle (Figure 2), but will not extend very far inland.


Figure 2. Cumulative wind forecast for Ida, issued by the HWRF model at 1 pm EDT today, 11/09/09. The HWRF forecasts that winds in excess of 50 knots (58 mph, dark green colors) will affect a swath of ocean from the tip of the Louisiana bird's foot to the coast near Alabama. Tropical storm force winds of 34 - 50 knots (39 - 57 mph) will affect a larger region, but will not penetrate very far inland. Image credit: NOAA/GFDL.

The storm surge forecast for Ida
Tides are almost 5.0' above normal at Shell Beach, LA (on the east side of New Orleans), 2.2 feet above normal at Dauphin Island, AL, and 1.7 feet above normal at Pensacola, FL (Figure 3). NHC is calling for a storm surge of 3 - 5 feet above ground level, which is a reasonable forecast even if Ida weakens further. A large stretch of coast will be subject to very high water levels for an extended period of time today and tomorrow, with battering waves on top of the surge likely to cause a significant coastal erosion event.




Figure 3. Observed vs. predicted water levels at three coastal stations. Top: Shell Beach, LA (just east of New Orleans); middle: Dauphin Island, Alabama; bottom: Pensacola, FL. The green line shows how high above normal the water is. For Shell Beach, it was 4.9 feet above normal at 6 pm CST, 2.2 feet at Dauphin Island, and 1.7 feet at Pensacola. Image credit: NOAA Tides and Currents.

Links to follow:
U.S. Severe Weather Page
Wundermap for the Gulf Coast of Alabama.
Long-range radar out of New Orleans, LA.
Coastal observations from the University of South Alabama.
Coastal observations from LSU.

Update on portlight.org charity errorts
The portlight.org disaster relief charity is gearing up to respond to any disaster needs from Tropical Storm Ida, and has sent a self-sufficient kitchen capable of serving 2000 meals per day to the Florida Panhandle region. They have another mobile kitchen ready to respond, if needed, as well as a truck filled with durable medical equipment and clinical/surgical supplies. Donations are welcome!

I'll have an update Tuesday morning.

Jeff Masters
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501. HaboobsRsweet 04:30 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
just went outside and got blasted in the face by a wind gust and the rain IS FREEZING COLD. man that water is cold.
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502. Beachfoxx 04:30 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
We are getting our heaviest rains now along w/ some pretty strong gusts....

Water has risen some, it will rise more as we near high tide.

I dread seeing the damage along the Holiday Isle shoreline in Destin... the erosion was already taking its toll on homes & a couple of condo buildings this morning.
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503. atmoaggie 04:31 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
From Ship Island:

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504. AllyBama 04:31 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:
just went outside and got blasted in the face by a wind gust and the rain IS FREEZING COLD. man that water is cold.


lol..thinking I may need my winter attire tomorrow!..lol
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505. Orcasystems 04:31 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Stay safe BF :)



AOI

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TS BUSTED FORECAST, to be used in the event you make a minor discrepancy in your forecast.
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506. msjayhawk 04:31 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting GPTGUY:


Yea picking up too here in Lyman...pressure on my weather station dropping fast and winds really picking up


What is your wind direction??
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507. Patrap 04:31 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
What Ida has taught me.

1. November can and does form Cat 2 Hurricanes in the Western Atlantic Basin

2.A untapped Seasonal GOM SST ,can and will support a Cat 2 and possibly Higher Cane in the Month of November.

3.The NHC continues to improve in Track forecasts,but struggles still with the Science and art of intensity.

4.Systems can and often do defy the best forecasts available,

5.Be thankful its not August nor September too, and folks arent battling a 9 Hour Eyewall night passage.
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508. drj27 04:31 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting Beachfoxx:
We are getting our heaviest rains now along w/ some pretty strong gusts....

Water has risen some, it will rise more as we near high tide.

I dread seeing the damage along the Holiday Isle shoreline in Destin... the erosion was already taking its toll on homes & a couple of condo buildings this morning.
yea hopefully the island want flood i have to work tommorow
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509. iluvjess 04:32 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
501.

Yes it is. It's out of the E here now. Got blasted when I went out the front door.
510. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 04:32 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    


AOI/XX/XL
MARK
25.1N/60.2W

just putting it out there
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511. Beachfoxx 04:33 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
So true! LOL

We are getting gusts of about 20mph now... downpouring, heavy rainfall.
Quoting Patrap:
WHat Ida has taught me.
1. November can and does form Cat 2 Hurricanes in the Western Atlantic Basin

2.A untapped Seasonal GOM SST ,can and will support a CAt 2 and possibly Higher Cane.

3.The NHC continues to improve in Track forecasts,but struggles still with the Science and art of intensity.

4.Sustems can and often do defy the best forecasts available,

5.Be thankful its not August nor September to and folks arent battling a 9 Hour Eyewall nightpassage.
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512. GPTGUY 04:33 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
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513. PcolaDan 04:33 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting jipmg:
it must be very cold in new orleans, that strong wind plus temps into the mid 60s..


wind chill from a tropical system
whoda thunk it
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514. SouthFMY 04:33 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:
we are getting everything in waves...get about 15 minutes of downpour and strong winds then backs off for a few then comes back again.


From my limited experience with tropical storms, that's the way it usually works. The rain bands bring the winds to surface.

I don't know why, but it sure seems to happen that way.
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515. Beachfoxx 04:34 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Thank you Orca!
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516. VTG 04:35 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
It just continues to pile in in SW AL and Pcola area. When will it end?

It has been raining non-stop for over 12 hours in Pensacola. Rain at my house is over 3 inches, and still climbing.
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517. HaboobsRsweet 04:36 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
new MAX wind speed on shore. Keesler AFB recored 42kts.
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518. weatherman874 04:37 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting PcolaDan:


wind chill from a tropical system
whoda thunk it


I just got back from the point on lake Pontchartrain and it was extremely cold gusts up to 31 mph on the hand held anemometer also
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519. Patrap 04:37 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    

NEXRAD Radar
Mobile, Storm Total Surface Rainfall Accumulation Range 124 NMI

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520. HaboobsRsweet 04:37 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
should get a vortex message shortly
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521. ElConando 04:37 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
What Ida has taught me.

1. November can and does form Cat 2 Hurricanes in the Western Atlantic Basin

2.A untapped Seasonal GOM SST ,can and will support a Cat 2 and possibly Higher Cane in the Month of November.

3.The NHC continues to improve in Track forecasts,but struggles still with the Science and art of intensity.

4.Systems can and often do defy the best forecasts available,

5.Be thankful its not August nor September too, and folks arent battling a 9 Hour Eyewall night passage.


pretty much the same here. NHC is not used to hurricanes in the gulf in nov as there have not bee many.
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522. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 04:38 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting VTG:
It just continues to pile in in SW AL and Pcola area. When will it end?

It has been raining non-stop for over 12 hours in Pensacola. Rain at my house is over 3 inches, and still climbing.


here is latest storm totals anmin loop piling up fast

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523. druseljic 04:39 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting VTG:
It just continues to pile in in SW AL and Pcola area. When will it end?

It has been raining non-stop for over 12 hours in Pensacola. Rain at my house is over 3 inches, and still climbing.


The downpours may be over but there is still more coming...

Radar link
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524. LostTomorrows 04:40 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
That big cut-off storm in the central Atlantic seems to be organizing quite nicely, I wonder if it will be designated an Invest?
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525. iluvjess 04:40 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
FLOOD WARNING issued for Escambia, Lower Baldwin, and Lower Esambia Counties.
526. sarahjola 04:40 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
the sound of the breeze is relaxing. i love the weather we are getting form this. its gusty no rain and cool. beautiful night. hope all that are getting the brunt are ok. thank god this storm weakened as it approached land. good night all
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527. HaboobsRsweet 04:41 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
downpours havent stopped here.
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528. MrsOsa 04:42 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Not much rain at the moment but wind really picking up in Pascagoula, MS. Reporting gusts at 45 and I believe it after going outside. Things are really getting blown around.
529. msjayhawk 04:43 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
I think the center of circulation is currently at about 30.0, 89.0....... Any opinions or good current graphics?

Diamondhead, MS.
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530. LostTomorrows 04:44 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Paloma should have tought you that last year! She was a category 4 in November, twice the strength of miss Ida here.

Regardless, Ida's the one of the two to make it into the gulf.
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531. druseljic 04:45 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:
downpours havent stopped here.


I was referring to Pcola, but its actually holding its own here now as well. Looks like those bands might be coming ashore for a while longer for both of us. Be safe...
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532. intunewindchime 04:45 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Massive buckets of rain... and some wind... in intermittent cycles of about 2-3 minutes

near Perdido Key FL
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533. HaboobsRsweet 04:47 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting msjayhawk:
I think the center of circulation is currently at about 30.0, 89.0....... Any opinions or good current graphics?

Diamondhead, MS.

that is too far north. HH pointing at 29N.
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534. CosmicEvents 04:47 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
At the risk of sounding like a reed....i think whatever perfect happens with this complicated scenario, the worst is yet to come with:
1. Inland flooding in Georgia
2. Tail whipping through SFLA
3. Ida's "perfect" remnants re-intensifying, and moving up the east coast as an express, hitting NYC-Cape Cod.
.
.
For the immediate future, my thoughts are with those along the north gulf coast. Doesn't look too bad at the moment, but y'all be safe.
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535. atmoaggie 04:48 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
One more Ida lesson:
A naked swirl (by satellite cloud tops and radar anyway) can still have a tight core of winds. And that core might be in the middle of the dearth of data we have from the MS river and the Mississippi sound and be so small it goes undetected by surface obs.

I was off on that. I can take it.

You guys east of Bay St. Louis still have your max pending.
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536. ElConando 04:51 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
More rain in Tally light, and more on the way. Likely more tommorow. Gonna be a ugly day.
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537. winter123 04:56 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


AOI/XX/XL
MARK
25.1N/60.2W

just putting it out there


does that really have a chance? last STS prospect crashed and burned.
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538. HaboobsRsweet 04:56 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
recond has to be looking for something because they just fly a weird pattern.
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539. msjayhawk 04:57 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:
new MAX wind speed on shore. Keesler AFB recored 42kts.


From what direction?
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540. HaboobsRsweet 04:58 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting msjayhawk:


From what direction?


020
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541. HaboobsRsweet 05:00 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
dang where is the vortex message...I need to go to sleep.
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542. gordydunnot 05:01 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
I posted yesterday afternoon that Ida was leaving a little present behind does anybody see anything around Cuba to back that up.
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543. VTG 05:02 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
I was referring to Pcola, but its actually holding its own here now as well. Looks like those bands might be coming ashore for a while longer for both of us. Be safe...

It looks like the rain to the south has weakened, but it redevelops right at shore. Rainfall now approaching 3.5 inches...
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544. GeoffreyWPB 05:03 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting CosmicEvents:
At the risk of sounding like a reed....i think whatever perfect happens with this complicated scenario, the worst is yet to come with:
1. Inland flooding in Georgia
2. Tail whipping through SFLA
3. Ida's "perfect" remnants re-intensifying, and moving up the east coast as an express, hitting NYC-Cape Cod.
.
.
For the immediate future, my thoughts are with those along the north gulf coast. Doesn't look too bad at the moment, but y'all be safe.


1. Possible
2. Likely
3. Less Likely
4. Yes...be safe

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545. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 05:03 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    


AOI/XX/XL
MARK
24.8N/60.1W
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546. Jedkins01 05:03 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Ida actually appears to be getting more impressive. NWS there in Mobile talked about baroclinic forcing will keep Ida holding on to intensity quite well...

Those rains are really piling up there appears to be a psuedo-warm front right near the coast, expect dramatic wind increase once that heads inland
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547. ElConando 05:04 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
The only storm I went through, that reminds me of what some of you are feeling is Hurricane Irene of 1999. Did not get too windy maybe 50-55mph winds at the most gusts were around 60-65mph for a span of 20 mins. The rest was minimal ts winds. However, IT RAINED a LOT. The only time I saw my neighboorhood flood more than it did in Irene was a imfamous No name storm of Oct 2000 which turned out to be TS Leslie.
Its incredible how many storms I went through in 18 years of life. Two majors (Andrew, Wilma) some famous minimal hurricanes (Irene, Katrina) and of course the close calls with Frances and Jeanne. Fay is one i'll remember for two things, making land fall so far south and dropping 5 inches of rain in 2 hours 500 miles north of me.
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548. Matt1989 05:04 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Checking in from Milton,florida. Pretty much just windy and rainy. feels good outside too. We have got alot of rain here today i can say tho.
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549. GeoffreyWPB 05:05 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
And you are no Reed. BTW, I'm surprised he's not on this morning.
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550. ElConando 05:06 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


AOI/XX/XL
MARK
24.8N/60.1W


Naaa phoenix erm i mean Joaquin, won't be "rapping" up into said name anytime soon.
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551. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 05:08 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting gordydunnot:
I posted yesterday afternoon that Ida was leaving a little present behind does anybody see anything around Cuba to back that up.
eventually that will become a cold front
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