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Ida lashing the Gulf Coast; no change in strength
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:16 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009 +1
Tropical Storm Ida is pounding the coasts of southeast Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and the Florida Panhandle with high winds, huge waves, and heavy rain. At 6 pm EST, the Mobile, AL NWS office reported that coastal flooding had begun on Dauphin Island and at Fort Pickens in the Florida Panhandle. Surf heights of 5 - 8' are expected tonight on Dauphin Island as Ida storms ashore, and heights of 10 - 15' are possible from Fort Morgan, Alabama to Destin, Florida. Sustained winds of 40 mph were reported at buoy 42007 22 nm miles south of Biloxi, MS at 4:50 pm EST, and winds of 40 mph, gusting to 51 mph, were recorded at Dauphin Island, AL, at 7:06 pm EST.


Figure 1. Estimated precipitation from the Mobile, AL radar shows that up to four inches of rain has fallen over the Louisiana bird's foot of the Mississippi River. Heavy rains are falling in MS, AL, and FL, and will exceed four inches in many locations.

The highest surface winds seen by the Hurricane Hunters since 3 pm have been 70 mph. Infrared satellite loops show that the big thunderstorm blow-up responsible for the small patch of hurricane-force winds recorded at 3 pm this afternoon has waned, and it is unlikely Ida has any hurricane-force winds.

The intensity forecast for Ida
There is no change to the intensity forecast for Ida. The high wind shear of 40 knots currently affecting the storm is forecast to increase to 50 knots by midnight, when the center of Ida should be crossing the coast. With Ida now over waters near 24°C, some weakening is to be expected before landfall. We can't rule out the possibility of an isolated tornado when Ida makes landfall, but the Storm Prediction Center Discussion maintains that the airmass in place over the Gulf Coast is relatively stable, and prospects for an appreciable severe weather threat appear low. Winds of tropical storm force will be extend from Southeast Louisiana to the Florida Panhandle (Figure 2), but will not extend very far inland.


Figure 2. Cumulative wind forecast for Ida, issued by the HWRF model at 1 pm EDT today, 11/09/09. The HWRF forecasts that winds in excess of 50 knots (58 mph, dark green colors) will affect a swath of ocean from the tip of the Louisiana bird's foot to the coast near Alabama. Tropical storm force winds of 34 - 50 knots (39 - 57 mph) will affect a larger region, but will not penetrate very far inland. Image credit: NOAA/GFDL.

The storm surge forecast for Ida
Tides are almost 5.0' above normal at Shell Beach, LA (on the east side of New Orleans), 2.2 feet above normal at Dauphin Island, AL, and 1.7 feet above normal at Pensacola, FL (Figure 3). NHC is calling for a storm surge of 3 - 5 feet above ground level, which is a reasonable forecast even if Ida weakens further. A large stretch of coast will be subject to very high water levels for an extended period of time today and tomorrow, with battering waves on top of the surge likely to cause a significant coastal erosion event.




Figure 3. Observed vs. predicted water levels at three coastal stations. Top: Shell Beach, LA (just east of New Orleans); middle: Dauphin Island, Alabama; bottom: Pensacola, FL. The green line shows how high above normal the water is. For Shell Beach, it was 4.9 feet above normal at 6 pm CST, 2.2 feet at Dauphin Island, and 1.7 feet at Pensacola. Image credit: NOAA Tides and Currents.

Links to follow:
U.S. Severe Weather Page
Wundermap for the Gulf Coast of Alabama.
Long-range radar out of New Orleans, LA.
Coastal observations from the University of South Alabama.
Coastal observations from LSU.

Update on portlight.org charity errorts
The portlight.org disaster relief charity is gearing up to respond to any disaster needs from Tropical Storm Ida, and has sent a self-sufficient kitchen capable of serving 2000 meals per day to the Florida Panhandle region. They have another mobile kitchen ready to respond, if needed, as well as a truck filled with durable medical equipment and clinical/surgical supplies. Donations are welcome!

I'll have an update Tuesday morning.

Jeff Masters
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1. NRAamy 12:17 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
thanks Doc
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2. AllyBama 12:18 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
WOW!..thanks for the update DR. M!
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3. NRAamy 12:18 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Update on portlight.org charity errorts

The portlight.org disaster relief charity is gearing up to respond to any disaster needs from Tropical Storm Ida, and has sent a self-sufficient kitchen capable of serving 2000 meals per day to the Florida Panhandle region. They have another mobile kitchen ready to respond, if needed, as well as a truck filled with durable medical equipment and clinical/surgical supplies.
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4. aquak9 12:22 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting bjdsrq:


18Z GFS says this turns into a bigger sized storm when it pops out your way along the eastern US. Tropical transformed to Nor-easter?!! Is Ida a cross-dresser? lol



From JAX NWS:

THURSDAY...LOW OFF THE FLORIDA COAST WILL SLOWLY DRIFT SOUTHEAST
TOWARD THE BAHAMAS AND ONLY SCATTERED LIGHT RAIN SHOWERS WILL LINGER
ACRS THE FORECAST AREA..

ok, now i am so confused....what are they talking about? i thought the low was supposed to head north, transitioning into a decent nor'easter?
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5. AllyBama 12:26 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
aquak9..who knows..this system has been nothing but a "ball of confusion" since she got started...and needless to say, it doesn't take much to confuse the NHC and NWS!..lol
I will pray for your area too.
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6. MiamiHurricanes09 12:28 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Good Evening!
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7. iluvjess 12:30 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting atmoaggie:

A small gradient wind feature not necessarily part of Ida's windfield and or a higher than usual inflow angle associated more with an extra-trop system than a TC?

Captured by the H*Wind analysis:


Gradients and pressure analysis show the potential for ENE winds here (though dated and with Ida not placed well):


I think the broader trough is taking over...and Ida isn't capable of true cyclostrophic winds to the NE.

(That took a while, my internet is flaky at the moment...uploads will not work)


Awesome! Thanks for the explanation. First time dealing with the extra trpocal type. The winds all over the Gulf Coast East of Ida are all out of the North. Very interesting and thanks again
8. aquak9 12:30 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
many WU-bloggers feared lost in the unexpected hyper-jump
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9. atmoaggie 12:30 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Thanks Doc.

In response to question on previous:

Eh, nevermind.
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10. jipmg 12:31 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
moving North east now
11. AllyBama 12:31 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
report says that we are having a "heavy rain mist" here in Mobile..I never knew that "mist" fell so heavily before!..ROFL
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13. AllyBama 12:32 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting aquak9:
many WU-bloggers feared lost in the unexpected hyper-jump


lol...I agree aqua..
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14. rareaire 12:33 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting lizrod43:
#5 yeah do some praying, that will stop that damn storm. Thoughts and prayers,,everyone says the same things....
means nothing.
Really? Thats what your on here to do? Its a gesture of Kindness and appreciated by most on here!
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15. stormy2008 12:33 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Taking a break... back shortly.
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16. AllyBama 12:33 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
I will pray for you too..
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17. atmoaggie 12:33 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
The yellow area is Fred-Ex back again after his twice-round-the-world tour (j/k)

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18. chewy80s 12:33 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Good Evening!

go canes beat UNC
19. iluvjess 12:34 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
They are still all over there... funny stuff. Somebody go tell back and tell them...
20. HaboobsRsweet 12:34 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting AllyBama:
report says that we are having a "heavy rain mist" here in Mobile..I never knew that "mist" fell so heavily before!..ROFL


+RA BR? that would be heavy rain with mist which is a common ob with heavy rain because the mist tends to aid in reduction of visibility which is bad news for aircraft...recon headed to texas.
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21. MiamiHurricanes09 12:35 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting chewy80s:

go canes beat UNC
lol, all the way!
Quoting atmoaggie:
The yellow area is Fred-Ex back again after his twice-round-the-world tour (j/k)

ROFLMAO!!
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23. K8tina 12:35 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting AllyBama:
I will pray for you too..

Me three!!

Its the thoughts and sentiments that count, btw! :)
24. TruthCommish 12:36 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
#12.... Your post was the ultimate use of bandwidth. Thanks for setting everyone straight. I feel so much more informed about the storm status now.
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25. CaicosRetiredSailor 12:36 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
FROM the other side of the Hyperjump:

Quoting atmoaggie:

A small gradient wind feature not necessarily part of Ida's windfield and or a higher than usual inflow angle associated more with an extra-trop system than a TC?

Captured by the H*Wind analysis:


Gradients and pressure analysis show the potential for ENE winds here (though dated and with Ida not placed well):


I think the broader trough is taking over...and Ida isn't capable of true cyclostrophic winds to the NE.

(That took a while, my internet is flaky at the moment...uploads will not work)



Thanks for that ... it helps me understand what I am seeing with the winds.
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26. MiamiHurricanes09 12:36 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Wind picking up in Biloxi. Mid to upper 20s (MPH).
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27. atmoaggie 12:36 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
That is more than I thought that station would receive, regardless of the 24 meter anemometer. And it is on the 35 knot sustained H*Wind isotach...on a plot valid 1.5 hours ago.

Methinks H*Wind missed a little...just a little. Could be overdoing land roughness or height reduction.

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28. AllyBama 12:37 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
+RA BR? that would be heavy rain with mist which is a common ob with heavy rain because the mist tends to aid in reduction of visibility which is bad news for aircraft...recon headed to texas.

thanks for the explanation..but still think that it is funny terminology..hate it for any aircraft though.
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29. iluvjess 12:37 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
this is going to be over by midnight.
30. MiamiHurricanes09 12:38 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Is recon going back home is it just getting the wind radius?
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31. jipmg 12:39 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Wind picking up in Biloxi. Mid to upper 20s (MPH).


TWC said that the highest winds are coming in
32. ralphmtsu 12:40 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
I live in Panama City, and the weather here is not that bad. We have very light winds and the temp is about 67. The rain we've experienced today is decidedly not tropical in nature. I've lived through my fair share of tropical systems to include Opal, and this rain is very typical of the rains we get in the Fall season. To borrow from Guns 'n Roses, it is a Cold November Rain. Is it possible our side of the storm has already gone extra-tropical?
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33. atmoaggie 12:40 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
This URL will update hourly and is a good plot to see the land measurements:


(Best viewed full size, click!)
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34. chucky7777 12:41 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting aquak9:
many WU-bloggers feared lost in the unexpected hyper-jump
i hope the cylons didn't get them.........
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35. BrittneyMarie 12:41 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting lizrod43:
#5 yeah do some praying, that will stop that damn storm. Thoughts and prayers,,everyone says the same things....
means nothing.


Oh that was really ugly and uncalled for
36. Skyepony (Mod) 12:41 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
CIMSS has that blob NE of PR marked as an Invest, though I don't see it as such anywhere else yet. I called that as our probable next invest 5 days ago..
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37. MiamiHurricanes09 12:41 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting jipmg:


TWC said that the highest winds are coming in
WOW, TWC is actually right!
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38. SoMissSkyGuy 12:42 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Good Evening, we've got some mist and a few gusts in Hattiesburg.
39. K8tina 12:42 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting HaboobsRsweet:


+RA BR? that would be heavy rain with mist which is a common ob with heavy rain because the mist tends to aid in reduction of visibility which is bad news for aircraft.

Thanks for the explanation! Its kinda neat the things I've learned from the WUBA bloggers throughout the years! Glad we have this forum available to share and help others! Thanks! :)
40. atmoaggie 12:43 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
WOW, TWC is actually right!

Next they are going claim that winds around a TC in northern hemisphere spin counter-clockwise. After some research...
(this is not inclusive of Dr. Lyons)
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41. CosmicEvents 12:43 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting aquak9:
many WU-bloggers feared lost in the unexpected hyper-jump

I was just logging in when the blog jumped.
I think I was caught in a worm-hole or something.
I'm a little dizzy and slightly confused........wait...that's normal.
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42. HaboobsRsweet 12:45 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
Is recon going back home is it just getting the wind radius?

going home...they evacuated to texas.
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43. jipmg 12:45 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
TWC: Pensacola reporting 41MPH wind gusts and sustained winds of 33MPH

I personally believe IDA will hit pensacola, or around there
44. HaboobsRsweet 12:46 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
rain just picked up here in gautier...getting some good gusts and downpurs.
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45. plywoodstatenative 12:46 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
So then what is the yellow circle all about, another random late CV wave?
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46. PcolaDan 12:47 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting CosmicEvents:

I was just logging in when the blog jumped.
I think I was caught in a worm-hole or something.
I'm a little dizzy and slightly confused........wait...that's normal.


Have you looked at your user ID recently??? LOL
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47. aquak9 12:47 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Will someone with half a brain cell left (meteorologically speaking)

please review my post #4? I'm stymied.
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48. K8tina 12:47 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting jipmg:
TWC: Pensacola reporting 41MPH wind gusts and sustained winds of 33MPH

I personally believe IDA will hit pensacola, or around there

I'm still thinking more like Ivan's path and right down the FL/AL border. Just something about this Ida, it reminds me a little bit of Ivan -- maybe Ivan's baby sister? ;)
49. Skyepony (Mod) 12:48 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
Quoting plywoodstatenative:
So then what is the yellow circle all about, another random late CV wave?


I called this 5 days ago..tail of a front vs a tropical wave
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50. aquak9 12:48 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    
I'm still shanking off slime from the hyper-jupm, too. Whew, three DocBlogs in one day.

That's like three trips to WalMart in one day.
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51. Orcasystems 12:49 AM GMT del 10 novembre 2009    



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