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TD 2 forms in the Atlantic; hundreds feared dead from Typhoon Morakot; Felicia hits
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 01:55 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009 +4
Tropical Depression Two has formed out of the strong tropical wave off the coast of Africa we've been watching, and has a good chance of becoming the Atlantic hurricane season's first named storm. Satellite loops of the storm show that heavy thunderstorm activity is increasing near the storm's center, and low-level spiral bands are getting better established. However, dry air to TD 2's north is interfering with this process, and the storm is being slow to organize. This morning's QuikSCAT pass missed TD 2.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of TD 2.

Wind shear over the storm is low, 5 knots, and is expected to remain low to moderate, 5 - 15 knots, through Thursday. Sea Surface temperatures are a marginal 26 - 27°C, and there is plenty of dry, stable air from the Saharan Air Layer (SAL) to to TD 2's north. The relatively cool SSTs and dry air mean that TD 2 will not be able to intensify quickly. However, does appear likely that TD 2 has enough going for it that it will be able to become Tropical Storm Ana later today or on Wednesday. Most of the computer models show some weak development, but none of them predict TD 2 will become a hurricane. It is unusual for storms forming this far north to make it all the way across the Atlantic to hit the Lesser Antilles Islands, and the current NHC forecast track aiming TD 2 north of the islands appears to be a good one.

Elsewhere in the Atlantic
Two other tropical waves, one passing through the Lesser Antilles Islands, and one about 600 miles east of the islands, are mentioned in NHC's Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook. Both of these waves have very limited heavy thunderstorm activity that is not increasing, and are not a threat to develop over the next two days. None of the computer models develop either of these waves.

A large, disorganized tropical wave is just leaving the coast of Africa, south of the Cape Verdes Islands. The GFS and ECMWF models continue to predict the possible development of this wave late this week.


Figure 2. Track and total rain amount from Typhoon Morakot. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Death toll from Typhoon Morakot in the hundreds
The death toll from Typhoon Morakot continues climb, as a landslide triggered by the storm's heavy rains hit the small town of Shiao Lin in southern Taiwan. Shiao Lin has a population of 1,300, and 400 - 600 people are missing in the wake of the landslide. Morakot killed an additional 41 elsewhere on Taiwan, with 60 missing. Earlier, the storm killed 22 in the Philippines, and went on to kill 6 in mainland China, which it hit as a tropical storm with 50 mph winds and heavy rain. Morakot's heavy rains caused an estimated $1.3 billion in damage to China.

Morakot moved very slowly as it passed over Taiwan, dumping near world-record amounts of rain. Alishan in the mountains of southern Taiwan recorded 91.98" of rain over a two-day period, one of the heaviest two-day rains in world history. The world 2-day rainfall record is 98.42", set at Reunion Island on March 15 - 17, 1952. Alishan received an astonishing 9.04 feet of rain over a 3-day period. The highest 1-day rainfall total ever recorded on Taiwan occurred Saturday at Weiliao Mountain in Pingtung County, which recorded 1.403 meters (4.6 feet or 55 inches) or rain. Nine the ten highest one-day rainfall amounts in Taiwanese history were reached on Saturday, according to the Central Weather Bureau.

Felicia continues to weaken, but is a flash flooding threat to Hawaii
Tropical Storm Felicia continues to steadily weaken, thanks to high wind shear of 30 knots. Recent satellite loops show that almost no heavy thunderstorm activity remains, and what little there is has been pushed to the northeast side of the center, exposing the surface center as a swirl of low clouds.


Figure 3. Tropical storm Felicia appeared as a swirl of low clouds with one spot of heavy thunderstorm activity to the northeast as it approached Hawaii yesterday evening.

High wind shear will continue to weaken Felicia today, and the storm is unlikely to cause major flooding problems as it moves over the islands today. The greatest danger of flooding will be over the northern islands, where Felicia's main moisture is concentrated.

Link to follow:
Wundermap for Hawaii

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3601. cg2916 01:34 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting nuggsgalore:
Anybody seen the latest CMC? What is that smacking into Texas?



Yeah, I see that.
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3602. cirrocumulus 01:35 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Is anyone seeing the spin at 42W 11N near TD2?
Right around the NOAA symbol! LOL!
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3603. Drakoen 01:35 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Don't forget:

000
NOUS42 KWNO 111726
ADMNFD

SENIOR DUTY METEOROLOGIST NWS ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE
NWS NCEP CENTRAL OPERATIONS CAMP SPRINGS MD
1714Z TUE AUG 11 2009

NEW NOAA NWS NCEP SUPERCOMPUTER IMPLEMENTATION UPDATE

AS THE FINAL TEST OF THE NEW SUPERCOMPUTERS..NCEP IS PLANNING
TO DISSEMINATE ALL 12Z CYCLE PRODUCTS OPERATIONALLY FROM THE
NEW STRATUS SUPERCOMPUTER IN GAITHERSBURG ON AUGUST 12...IF
THE TEST GOES WELL THEN WE WILL DECLARE STRATUS OPERATIONAL
AT 18Z ON AUGUST 12 AND NCEP PRODUCTION WILL REMAIN ON
STRATUS.

ORIGINALLY..THE ADVERTISED PLAN WAS FOR THE NEW SUPERCOMPUTERS
TO BE DECLARED OPERATIONAL ON AUGUST 18, HOWEVER WITH THE
ANTICIPATED INCREASE IN HURRICANE ACTIVITY IN THE ATLANTIC
NEXT WEEK NCEP NCO HAS DECIDED TO IMPLEMENT THE NEW
SUPERCOMPUTER ON AUGUST 12 IF POSSIBLE IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE
THE EFFECT OF THE TRANSITION ON NWS OPERATIONS.

AS WITH PREVIOUS UPGRADES...THE MODEL FORECASTS FROM THE
NEW COMPUTER MAY BE DISCONTINUOUS FROM THOSE PRODUCED ON THE
OLD COMPUTER/PREVIOUS CYCLE ESPECIALLY AFTER DAY 5. WHY?
THE HARDWARE/COMPILERS USED BY THE TWO COMPUTERS DIFFER AND
THE DATA DECODERS/ASSIMILATION SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN RUNNING
INDEPENDENTLY ON EACH SYSTEM. THESE TWO FACTORS WILL CREATE
SMALL DIFFERENCES IN MODEL INITIAL CONDITIONS CAUSED BY
ASSIMILATING DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF DATA AND USING SLIGHTLY
DIFFERENT FIRST GUESS FIELDS. SMALL NON-METEOROLOGICAL
DIFFERENCES EVOLVE QUICKLY INTO RANDOM NOISE - TRIGGERING
CONVECTION IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
THESE TYPES OF DIFFERENCES GROW QUICKLY AND TEND TO
SATURATE AFTER A FEW HOURS OF MODEL TIME. AVERAGED OVER A
LARGE NUMBER OF CASES THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ONE MACHINE
IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER...OR DIFFERENT IN ANY OTHER
SYSTEMATIC WAY.
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3604. TheCaneWhisperer 01:35 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:


I hope the models are wrong. Our local mets all seem very concerned already.


Morning All

The pattern taking shape warrants and extra twist in your cheeks.
3605. WxLogic 01:36 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Just looked over the models dangerous GFS and ECMWF model runs. ECMWF is further south than it's previous run.


Well have to see how ECMWF does at 12Z if it start agreeing with a more W solution which I wouldn't be surprised off since models have been underestimating the A/B High in long range runs.
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3606. StormChaser81 01:36 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    


Nice looking out flow associated with TD2, looks like we will have Ana by 11am. Really starting look better and better.
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3607. Drakoen 01:36 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Vorticity slowly but surely increasing.




Very broad area of low pressure which was also confirmed from the satellite derived winds. The GFS showed a broad system forming in the short term that tightens up there after.
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3608. cirrocumulus 01:37 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Stormchaser 2007 that convection is still on the west side of the center. Did you see the new spin just to the southwest at 42 11?
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3609. WarEagle8 01:38 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
TD2 Ana, then Bill blob, then one more still inland Africa:

http://www.eldoradocountyweather.com/current/satellite/eastern-atlantic-ocean-ir-satellite-loop.htm l
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3610. alaina1085 01:38 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Nolehead:
morning everyone...has anyone noticed the canadian model?? WTH is that coming off the yucatan?? is this from that blob in the carrib?


Wave in the carrib.
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3611. MahFL 01:38 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Some new deep convection is firing up on TD2.
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3612. BenBIogger 01:39 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    

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3613. ackee 01:39 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:

Link
thanks think we see another andrew
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3615. nrtiwlnvragn 01:39 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
I would expect ANA at the 11 AM advisory, both SAB and TAFB have TD2 at 2.5, but I could be wrong.
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3616. Nolehead 01:39 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Drak...have you seen the canadian model yet?? granted it's not the best in the world but where does that come from....the yucatan?? or that blob in teh carrib right now...just very curious...
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3617. Drakoen 01:40 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
SENIOR DUTY METEOROLOGIST NWS ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE
NWS NCEP CENTRAL OPERATIONS CAMP SPRINGS MD
1328Z WED AUG 12 2009
12Z NCEP MODEL PRODUCTION IS CURRENTLY ON TIME...
NCEP IS CURRENTLY SENDING OUT PRODUCTS FROM THE NEW STRATUS
SUPERCOMPUTER
12Z NAM RAOB RECAP...
PASY/70414 - MISSED THE NAM...IN FOR THE GFS
FAI/70261 - 10159
RNK/72318 - SHORT TO 571MB
CUU/76225 - 10142
$$
SHIREY/SDM/NCO/NCEP
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3618. cg2916 01:40 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
We will likely have Ana at 11 AM, because the SSD Dvorak numbers are 2.5, which mean 35 knots, which means 40 mph.
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3619. Drakoen 01:40 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Nolehead:
Drak...have you seen the canadian model yet?? granted it's not the best in the world but where does that come from....the yucatan?? or that blob in teh carrib right now...just very curious...



Yea I have seen it. It comes from the area near the Lesser Antilles.
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3621. EastCarolina 01:40 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Can someone please provide a link for the CMC.

Thanks!
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3622. cirrocumulus 01:41 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
The spin at 42 11 in the ITCZ seems to be the direction pre-Ana is headed.
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3623. Nolehead 01:43 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
thanks alaina...kinda what i figured...getting ready to wax up the boards...
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3624. jeffs713 01:42 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting nuggsgalore:
Anybody seen the latest CMC? What is that smacking into Texas?




Yay for the CMC - Constantly Making Cyclones!

I think the "thing" smacking into the TX/LA border is something it spins up either off the stalled front or off the piece of the wave expected to come into the GOM in a few days.
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3625. Stormchaser2007 01:42 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
SENIOR DUTY METEOROLOGIST NWS ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE
NWS NCEP CENTRAL OPERATIONS CAMP SPRINGS MD
1328Z WED AUG 12 2009
12Z NCEP MODEL PRODUCTION IS CURRENTLY ON TIME...
NCEP IS CURRENTLY SENDING OUT PRODUCTS FROM THE NEW STRATUS
SUPERCOMPUTER
12Z NAM RAOB RECAP...
PASY/70414 - MISSED THE NAM...IN FOR THE GFS
FAI/70261 - 10159
RNK/72318 - SHORT TO 571MB
CUU/76225 - 10142
$$
SHIREY/SDM/NCO/NCEP


Finally.
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3626. alaina1085 01:42 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Nolehead:
thanks alaina...kinda what i figured...getting ready to wax up the boards...


Haha, do your thing.
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3627. WxLogic 01:42 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
The new Supercompuer Implementation is happening this AM right? So the 12Z might potentially have some unwanted results in the long range runs.
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3628. cg2916 01:42 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
I would expect ANA at the 11 AM advisory, both SAB and TAFB have TD2 at 2.5, but I could be wrong.

Where are those numbers? I know where the SSD is, but not those.
Quoting Drakoen:
SENIOR DUTY METEOROLOGIST NWS ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGE
NWS NCEP CENTRAL OPERATIONS CAMP SPRINGS MD
1328Z WED AUG 12 2009
12Z NCEP MODEL PRODUCTION IS CURRENTLY ON TIME...
NCEP IS CURRENTLY SENDING OUT PRODUCTS FROM THE NEW STRATUS
SUPERCOMPUTER
12Z NAM RAOB RECAP...
PASY/70414 - MISSED THE NAM...IN FOR THE GFS
FAI/70261 - 10159
RNK/72318 - SHORT TO 571MB
CUU/76225 - 10142
$$
SHIREY/SDM/NCO/NCEP

Are they running the same models on a better computer, or a new model altogether?
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3630. Drakoen 01:43 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting WxLogic:
The new Supercompuer Implementation is happening this AM right? So the 12Z might potentially have some unwanted results in the long range runs.


Correct. The models will be run a bit earlier than normal from what I understand.
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3631. alaina1085 01:43 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
It's getting interesting guys/gals.
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3632. palmbaywhoo 01:44 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
"There are also two tropical waves churning in the area of the Windward Islands and another just off the coast of Africa.


“We’re not expecting those to become much,” Bragaw said"

That was from our local paper here in Melbourne
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3633. cg2916 01:44 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Are they running the same models on a better computer, or a new model altogether?
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3634. A4Guy 01:46 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Are folks concerend over the model runs for what is now TD2...or what is behind TD2? Looks like the latest runs for TD2 still have a N-ward curve, but too early to say if a high will push it west after day 5.

Just trying to understand where everyone's concern is coming from.

Thanks.
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3635. jeffs713 01:45 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting cg2916:

Where are those numbers? I know where the SSD is, but not those.
Are they running the same models on a better computer, or a new model altogether?

Same models, new computer. It should help to speed up posting the GFS and NAM.
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3636. cirrocumulus 01:45 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Does anyone see the spin at the ITCZ that seems to be influencing Ana?
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3637. alaina1085 01:45 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting palmbaywhoo:
"There are also two tropical waves churning in the area of the Windward Islands and another just off the coast of Africa.


“We’re not expecting those to become much,” Bragaw said"

That was from our local paper here in Melbourne


Our local mets here in Baton Rouge, LA dont seem too concerned either. Just a wait and see game unfortunately.
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3639. Drakoen 01:47 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting jeffs713:

Same models, new computer. It should help to speed up posting the GFS and NAM.


Correct. It will be running faster and harder.
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3640. KimberlyB 01:47 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting A4Guy:
Are folks concerend over the model runs for what is now TD2...or what is behind TD2? Looks like the latest runs for TD2 still have a N-ward curve, but too early to say if a high will push it west after day 5.

Just trying to understand where everyone's concern is coming from.

Thanks.


Both. During the tropical season, any storm that has or possibly will develop needs to be watched closely.
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3641. slavp 01:47 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting CycloneOz:
So far I've seen model runs this week that takes significant TCs into the following areas:

1) WPB (S. FL)
2) SE TX / SW LA
3) Biloxi (panhandle)

Those are the three areas I selected in June to get hit with a TC this year...perhaps.

May the Models and I be wrong! :)
Yes, You may be wrong...Matter of fact, you better be wrong!!! LOL
3642. alaina1085 01:48 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


Correct. It will be running faster and harder.


Drake if you dont mind me asking, where are you located?
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3643. TheCaneWhisperer 01:48 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
I would expect ANA at the 11 AM advisory, both SAB and TAFB have TD2 at 2.5, but I could be wrong.


I agree. Especially with the WSW motion, as they said yesterday a more southerly solution would allow a stronger cyclone. Warmer SST's down a little further as well.
3644. Chucktown 01:48 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
If you take a look at the 200 mb spaghetti, pretty deep trough develops around August 21. If this verifies then "Bill" would be deflected out to sea. (Give it a few seconds to load)

Link
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3645. cg2916 01:48 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


Correct. It will be running faster and harder.

Will it be more accurate?
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3646. redwagon 01:48 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
For fellow Texans, here's what Bob Rose, LCRA says about next week (which the CMC probably sees, too):
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As I mentioned earlier, we may see some small changes sometime late next week when a large trough of low pressure develops over the eastern half of the US. The trough will force a cold front into Texas sometime next Thursday or Friday, possibly bringing a chance for rain along with slightly lower temperatures. ***The upper high is forecast to be pushed to the south. Yea! *** Seriously, it will be interesting to see how the pattern evolves late next week.
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http://www.lcra.org/water/conditions/weather/weather_column.html
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3647. WxLogic 01:49 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


Correct. The models will be run a bit earlier than normal from what I understand.


Good... let's hope everything goes well with the upgrade and starting at 00Z tonight we'll be having quick posting of models on the web.
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3648. BenBIogger 01:49 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Steering Layer 700-850 hPa
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3649. ackee 01:49 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


Correct. It will be running faster and harder.
so the last model runs by the GFS was wrong ?
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3650. Drakoen 01:49 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting alaina1085:


Drake if you dont mind me asking, where are you located?


South Florida
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3651. Drakoen 01:50 PM GMT del 12 Agosto 2009    
Quoting ackee:
so the last model runs by the GFS was wrong ?



No.
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