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Hawaii braces for Felicia; 99L near the Cape Verdes Islands may develop
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 03:55 PM GMT del 10 Agosto 2009 +4
A strong tropical wave (99L) is just south of the Cape Verdes Islands, 800 miles off the coast of Africa. This morning's QuikSCAT pass showed a nearly closed surface circulation, stretched out along one axis. The satellite saw winds of up to 45 mph in a band of heavy thunderstorms well south of the Cape Verdes Islands. The islands have seen winds of only 10 - 15 mph and some occasional rain showers thus far from the disturbance. Heavy thunderstorm activity associated with 99L died down this morning, but appears to be making a comeback late this morning. Wind shear is moderate, about 10 knots, and sea surface temperatures are moderately warm, about 27 - 28°C. There is a large area of dry air to 99L's north that is interfering with the storm's organization, though.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of disturbance 99L.

Wind shear is expected to be moderate, 5 - 15 knots, through Wednesday. SSTs will remain relatively constant at 27°C, but the dry, stable air of the Saharan AIr Layer (SAL) to 99L's north will be problem for it. NHC has given 99L a moderate (30 - 50% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Wednesday morning, which is a reasonable forecast. Most of the models show some weak development, but none of them predict 99L will become a hurricane. It is too early to say if 99L will recurve north of the Lesser Antilles Islands or not, since it will be at least 5 days before the storm makes it that far. It is unusual, though, for storms forming this far north to make it all the way across the Atlantic to hit the Lesser Antilles Islands.

The GFS and ECMWF models are predicting the possible development of a new tropical wave coming off the coast of Africa late this week.

Felicia continues to weaken, but is a flash flooding threat to Hawaii
Tropical Storm Felicia has weakened steadily over the past 24 hours, thanks to cool sea surface temperatures and increasing shear. Recent satellite loops show that strong upper-level winds from the west have pushed the storm's heavy thunderstorm activity to the northeast side of the center, exposing the surface center as a swirl of low clouds. Felicia's relatively meager heavy thunderstorm activity is steadily moving away from the center of the storm.


Figure 2. History of hurricane activity over Hawaii since 1950. Hawaii islands have been hit by only 9 tropical cyclones of tropical depression or greater strength, with 4 others passing withing 75 miles of an island. Image credit: NOAA Coastal Services Center.

Sea surface temperatures (SSTs) under Felicia are 25°C, well below the 26°C threshold typically needed to sustain a hurricane. SSTs will slowly increase to 26°C by Tuesday. Wind shear has increased to a high 30 knots, and is expected to increase further to 40 knots by Tuesday. The high shear combined with the cool SSTs should continue to weaken Felicia today. I give a 30% chance that the shear will completely rip away Felicia's heavy thunderstorm activity by the time the storm reaches Hawaii, leaving only a swirl of low-level clouds that will not cause significant flooding problems. The wind speed probabilities forecast shows about a 25% chance Felicia will still be a weak tropical storm at 3 am Hawaiian time Tuesday morning, and a 15% chance the storm will have dissipated. If Felicia does hold together that long, it would be only the tenth tropical cyclone of tropical depression or higher strength to affect the islands since 1950 (Figure 2). Large swells from Felicia are already affecting the Big Island, and a high surf warning has been posted for east-facing shores of the Big Island and other Hawaiian islands. Felicia or its remnants may bring heavy rain, flash flooding, and mud slides to the islands beginning this afternoon, and a Flash Flood Watch has been posted for most of the islands.

Links to follow:
Long range radar from the Big Island
Wundermap for Hawaii

I'll have an update Tuesday morning.
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3051. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 12:17 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    

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3053. ncstorm 12:19 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Good Morning,

I have a question in regards to the model on TD2, WU has several model runs on it but there isnt a GFS model run listed for it..does that mean the GFS still dosent see or recognize this system and if so, why? Many thanks in advance.
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3054. CaneWarning 12:19 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Wow TD2 is set to become Ana according to the NHC.
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3055. Stormchaser2007 12:19 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Wow...

Most of the models have initialized TD2 in the wrong spot. Also look at the XTRP. Due west. Models show NW.
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3056. BobinTampa 12:19 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Good morning all. What's the consensus, does 99L develop or is it just paving the way for the one behind it?

Ike, at the end of that model run you linked, the system that's affecting S Fla was the one mentioned by Tally and NoLa in their long range forecasts correct?

what about the one we were watching east of Barbados?

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3057. DaytonaBeachWatcher 12:20 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
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3058. Stormchaser2007 12:20 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Whoa there Keeper. Super stretch.
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3059. Makoto1 12:20 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting IKE:


I can't see it with my glasses on either.

Looks like a significant cane.


Looks like 984 mb to me...
3060. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 12:20 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
283

WHXX01 KWBC 110920

CHGHUR

TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE MESSAGE

NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL

0920 UTC TUE AUG 11 2009



DISCLAIMER...NUMERICAL MODELS ARE SUBJECT TO LARGE ERRORS.

PLEASE REFER TO NHC OFFICIAL FORECASTS FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE

AND SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE INFORMATION.



ATLANTIC OBJECTIVE AIDS FOR



DISTURBANCE TWO (AL022009) 20090811 0600 UTC



...00 HRS... ...12 HRS... ...24 HRS. .. ...36 HRS...

090811 0600 090811 1800 090812 0600 090812 1800



LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON

BAMS 14.4N 27.9W 15.2N 29.9W 15.5N 32.2W 16.1N 34.9W

BAMD 14.4N 27.9W 15.2N 29.2W 15.8N 31.0W 16.5N 33.5W

BAMM 14.4N 27.9W 15.5N 29.4W 16.2N 31.3W 17.1N 33.8W

LBAR 14.4N 27.9W 14.9N 29.7W 15.7N 31.9W 16.8N 34.5W

SHIP 25KTS 27KTS 30KTS 34KTS

DSHP 25KTS 27KTS 30KTS 34KTS



...48 HRS... ...72 HRS... ...96 HRS. .. ..120 HRS...

090813 0600 090814 0600 090815 0600 090816 0600



LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON LAT LON

BAMS 16.6N 37.7W 18.6N 44.4W 20.8N 50.7W 23.2N 56.2W

BAMD 17.3N 36.3W 20.6N 41.3W 24.9N 42.2W 27.2N 39.2W

BAMM 17.9N 36.6W 21.0N 42.2W 24.1N 45.2W 25.7N 45.2W

LBAR 17.7N 37.1W 20.6N 41.7W 25.2N 44.0W 29.8N 41.8W

SHIP 38KTS 39KTS 29KTS 19KTS

DSHP 38KTS 39KTS 29KTS 19KTS



...INITIAL CONDITIONS...

LATCUR = 14.4N LONCUR = 27.9W DIRCUR = 270DEG SPDCUR = 10KT

LATM12 = 14.4N LONM12 = 25.7W DIRM12 = 270DEG SPDM12 = 9KT

LATM24 = 14.3N LONM24 = 24.0W

WNDCUR = 25KT RMAXWD = 30NM WNDM12 = 25KT

CENPRS = 1008MB OUTPRS = 1011MB OUTRAD = 125NM SDEPTH = M

RD34NE = 0NM RD34SE = 0NM RD34SW = 0NM RD34NW = 0NM



$$

NNNN
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3061. CyberStorm 12:21 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
wave at 52w has a perfect anticyclone over it.i would not be surprised to see it go up rapidly thu out today.
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3062. WPBHurricane05 12:21 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Wow...

Most of the models have initialized TD2 in the wrong spot. Also look at the XTRP. Due west. Models show NW.


Explains why the NHC is south of the consensus.
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3063. Stormchaser2007 12:21 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting CaneWarning:
Wow TD2 is set to become Ana according to the NHC.


Not quite.

Penetrated by dry air.
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3064. IKE 12:21 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting BobinTampa:
Good morning all. What's the consensus, does 99L develop or is it just paving the way for the one behind it?

Ike, at the end of that model run you linked, the system that's affecting S Fla was the one mentioned by Tally and NoLa in their long range forecasts correct?

what about the one we were watching east of Barbados?



Those mets are referring to the wave spinning near 52W.
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3065. Stormchaser2007 12:22 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Makoto1:


Looks like 984 mb to me...


In GFS speak thats about the equivalent to a Category 3.
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3066. nrtiwlnvragn 12:22 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
High resolution QuikScat of area near Barbados


Click on image to view original size in a new window



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3067. Stormchaser2007 12:23 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
NHC discussion TD2

ON
THE OTHER HAND IF THE SYSTEM MOVES FARTHER SOUTH THAN EXPECTED LATE
IN THE PERIOD...IT WILL PROBABLY BECOME STRONGER THAN ANTICIPATED
HERE.
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3069. Claudette1234 12:24 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    


TD2L
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3070. nchurricane 12:24 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
WoW the second TD of the season
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3072. Stormchaser2007 12:26 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting P451:
XTRP is extrapolated. Meaning it takes the current exact motion of the storm and just draws a straight line in that exact direction endlessly. It's not a true forecast path model.

People were confused with it yesterday, Drak was dismissing it because it showed a WNW motion because he felt it wasn't moving WNW, but, if you look at the plots of 99L you will see it clearly did move WNW from the moment it left the African coast until late yesterday when the wave decided to turn west in response to steering.



I know that. Im saying its moving just north of west and the models all have it pulling a hard NW turn now.
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3073. CyberStorm 12:27 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
i am surprised no one here has caught onto the anticyclone with less than 5 knots of shear sitting over the 52 W wave and it also has a closed low.it may become bill before the african wave.
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3074. cg2916 12:28 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
From looking at the floater, I say this is what I see:

Visible - Looks way better than yesterday, clouds are more organized, and a COC is clearly visible.

Shortwave (IR2) - Not too good, convection is too heavy on the west, and the COC is a little open.

Water Vapor (IR3) - It has some dry air to cut thorugh, and it looks like a little got into the system, but it became half-dry, half-moist.

IR4 - Convection still a bit heavy on the west, but still looks good.

AVN - Looks like the convection is scattered and not very organized. Heavy on the east this time.

Dvorak - Scattered convection, a bit of deep convection near the center.

(I'm gonna skip JSL)

RGB - Convection is scattered, well-defined COC.

Funktop - Much precipitation is scattered, a lot near the center.

Rainbow - Once of convection scattered... I'm getting tired of saying that.
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3075. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 12:29 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Whoa there Keeper. Super stretch.
FIXED
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3076. WPBHurricane05 12:29 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
WOW!...just took a look at the ECMWF.
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3077. PensacolaDoug 12:31 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Phone Battery just died Brian.
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3080. Stormchaser2007 12:33 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Well thats why...

11/1145 UTC 14.5N 29.2W T2.0/2.0 02L
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3081. Mikla 12:34 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
TD2 w/ models and current shear...


TD2 w/ models and steering...


TD2 w/ models and surface analysis...
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3082. Stormchaser2007 12:34 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting P451:


I think the general consensus is a slight north of west motion and then west through about 72 hours. Then all bets are off regarding the possible weakness in the ridge.

It's path is highly uncertain as is it's intensity forecast given all that dry air it's pushing into.

Other than suggesting a general westward movement with a slight northward component I don't see how anyone, even the models, can say with any certainty at all where it will be 72 hours from now.

Might as well draw a triangle from it's present position, to 50W 15N to 45W 25N and say "Yeah, somewhere in there sounds about right." lol.

I'm not paying any attention to the track models until tomorrow AM. They just don't have a handle on the situation at all.


Thank you...someone else who finally agrees with me.
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3083. CyberStorm 12:34 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
anticyclone over the 52w wave and it is showing some good signs or organizing.this wave will surprise everyone.i have seen it before to many times in that area.

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3086. Stormchaser2007 12:36 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
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3087. WPBHurricane05 12:38 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Funkadelic:


What would that happen to show? Potential (Bill) has had gread model support and it isnt even all the way off africa.


ECMWF
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3088. TheCaneWhisperer 12:39 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting CyberStorm:
anticyclone over the 52w wave and it is showing some good signs or organizing.this wave will surprise everyone.i have seen it before to many times in that area.



The GFDL is showing this area impacting SFL on Sunday.
3090. Chucktown 12:43 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting WPBHurricane05:


Explains why the NHC is south of the consensus.


XTRP is not a model - its the linear equivalent if the system continues on its current path
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3091. GetReal 12:43 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
I know that everyone is concentrating on TD #2, and the models indicating a second system forming off Africa soon thereafter...

But take a look closer to home approaching the Lesser Antilles. The TW near 53W is displaying a nice cyclonic spin at the lower levels. IMO something could possibly pop with this system over the next 36 to 48 hours also.



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3092. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 12:43 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
VIS IMAGE TD02L


AOI


AOI
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3093. TheCaneWhisperer 12:44 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting WPBHurricane05:


ECMWF


Right through the Box as a significant cyclone.
3095. OSUWXGUY 12:45 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Good Morning All!

A lot going on in the Atlantic this morning...

My preliminary thoughts after looking at everything:

1. TD2 will become Ana, but barely. She will find the weakness in the mid-level ridge before she gets too close to Caribbean and will recurve harmlessly.

2. I'm getting more concerned with the wave near 52W. The CIMMS shear product shows a well developed Anti-Cyclone over the wave increasing divergence aloft (ventilation) and providing very low shear conditions. There is a nice LARGE pocket of 850 vorticity to work with - vorticity is a conservative property so it's favorable for development that there is so much to be tapped.

I would expect thunderstorm activity to SLOWLY increase in coverage over the next 24 hours as dry SAL air gets mixed out by the increasing precip.

Both the GFDL and NAM show some slow development with this area and a general track through or just north of Puerto Rico and then on towards the Bahamas. Obviously land interaction could disrupt development with a more southern track, but if the path is further north there could be a significant risk to Florida or in the Gulf of Mexico.


3. Finally, there is remarkable run to run consistency for development with the second wave from Africa by the GFS and the ECMWF to a lesser extent. The last time the GFS was so consistently bullish on development, it was dead on...so this bears watching over the next couple days!
3096. reedzone 12:45 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Looks like Bill will be the agressive hurricane like we thought as Ana forms in a few days. I don't think this agressive storm will recurve, all of the East Coast needs to watch this potential monster. I'm starting to get really confident that 2 storms will be named by Saturday and we will have our first hurricane of the Season by next Monday.
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3097. IKE 12:46 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting GetReal:
I know that everyone is concentrating on TD #2, and the models indicating a second system forming off Africa soon thereafter...

But take a look closer to home approaching the Lesser Antilles. The TW near 53W is displaying a nice cyclonic spin at the lower levels. IMO something could possibly pop with this system over the next 36 to 48 hours also.


That one is the most immediate concern. Waves usually fire up where it's at....

I've got my visible loop pointed to it.
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3098. Chicklit 12:48 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:


Right through the Box as a significant cyclone.

On the model, to me it looks like the first one is a fish storm (TD2) and the second is the one that develops.
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3099. TheCaneWhisperer 12:49 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Quoting Chicklit:

On the model, to me it looks like the first one is a fish storm (TD2) and the second is the one that develops.


That has been my thinking all along. TD2 is developing just ahead of the curve.
3100. HURRICANECAT5 12:49 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
WE BETTER FASTEN OUR SEAT BELTS. I HAD A FELLING THIS HURRICANE SEASON WAS FULL OF SURPRISES. WHERE IS EL NIÑOW KNOW? BE SAFE EVERYONE.
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3101. Chicklit 12:49 PM GMT del 11 Agosto 2009    
Keeper your graphics have security certificate errors and are not showing up. You might want to delete them.
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