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High wind shear ripping into 97L
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 01:49 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009 +2
A strong tropical wave (97L) a few hundred miles east of Barbados in the Lesser Antilles Islands has grown less organized today as it tracks west at 15 - 20 mph. The wave is moving underneath an upper-level trough of low pressure, which is bringing 30 knots of wind shear to 97L. While there is a respectable amount of heavy thunderstorm activity associated with 97L, there is no longer any low-level spiral banding or rotation of the cloud pattern. This morning's QuikSCAT pass at 5:35 am EDT showed sustained winds of 35 mph a few hundred miles east of Barbados, but there was no surface circulation evident. The islands of Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, St. Lucia, and Martinique can expect heavy rain and wind gusts to 50 mph as 97L moves through the Lesser Antilles Islands this afternoon and tonight, but 97L will not become a tropical depression.

Wind shear along the path of 97L is forecast to remain in the high 25 - 35 knot range for at least the next three days. This should prevent further development of 97L, and I expect the disturbance will be gradually torn apart during the next few days. The National Hurricane Center gives 97L a low (less than 30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression in the next 48 hours. None of the computer models are forecasting any tropical storm development over the next seven days.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of African wave 97L.

I'll have an update Tuesday morning. As 97L moves through the islands, you may want to follow local observations there using our wundermap for the region.

Jeff Masters
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201. beell 03:21 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
A strong trough indeed, PcolaDan.
From like, 4 blogs ago. Not sure about the rest of it. Who knows?


989. beell 9:32 PM GMT on July 17, 2009
Big ridge out west, big ridge over the Atlantic. Big trough in between has no choice but to dig south almost to the Yucatan. Very strong. Probably cut off a strong upper low over the central GOM. Wonder how much this trough will affect the future health of 97L. And also wonder how much erosion of the western edge of the ATL ridge will take place. Enough to turn this wave up through the Bahamas-as modeled?
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203. TampaSpin 03:22 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Is the Carolina's an island or one small block of coastal desert land that StormJukie might feel close to soon.
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204. BurnedAfterPosting 03:22 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
4 stations in Barbados reporting

Long Beach, Chancery Lane
77.1 °F 76 °F 96% WSW at 3.0 mph
29.89 in 0.00 in / hr

Barbados, Rockley
76.7 °F 75 °F 94% North at 0.0 mph
29.90 in 1.69 in / hr

Grantley Adams
78 °F 75 °F 92% SSE at 2 mph
29.84 in 0.00 in / hr

Barbados, Lodge Hill
75.6 °F 75 °F 98% SSW at 3.1 mph
29.91 in 0.54 in / hr
206. weatherwatcher12 03:23 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:
4 stations in Barbados reporting

Long Beach, Chancery Lane
77.1 °F 76 °F 96% WSW at 3.0 mph
29.89 in 0.00 in / hr

Barbados, Rockley
76.7 °F 75 °F 94% North at 0.0 mph
29.90 in 1.69 in / hr

Grantley Adams
78 °F 75 °F 92% SSE at 2 mph
29.84 in 0.00 in / hr

Barbados, Lodge Hill
75.6 °F 75 °F 98% SSW at 3.1 mph
29.91 in 0.54 in / hr

One station in Trinidad is reporting true westerlies
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207. TheDawnAwakening 03:23 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
WHat are people's thoughts on how the upper level low to the northwest of 97L will affect the weather on the East Coast of the US? Will it enhance thunderstorm activity over the region and produce heavier rainfall or severe weather or something this week?
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209. Drakoen 03:23 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting leftovers:
when i was a kid 60s see western winds at any of those islands always called for a flag to be risen. if any other islands report this direction of winds the nhc will have to look at this system closer


Yes those westerlies sure are interesting though.
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210. extreme236 03:24 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Should be getting a new CIMSS shear map here soon.
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211. sfla82 03:26 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Less than a 30% chance of development...RIP 97L!!!
212. RufusBaker 03:25 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
I think this storm will take a path like the BAMS model is indicating.
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213. futuremet 03:25 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting extreme236:
Should be getting a new CIMSS shear map here soon.


When do CIMSS maps update? every 3 hours?
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214. Drakoen 03:25 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting futuremet:


When do CIMSS maps update? every 3 hours?


Yes.
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215. moonlightcowboy 03:26 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


Yes those westerlies sure are interesting though.

Westerlies would indicate that the actual coc is now west of Barbados. That radar seems to indicate a location just slightly nwest of the island and would produce westerly winds there. It just has little or no convection over the center.
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216. RufusBaker 03:26 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
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217. juniort 03:26 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Here in Barbados we are noW having heavy rainfall and heavy thunderstorm activity, but winds are light for now
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218. BurnedAfterPosting 03:26 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
the 1200UTC map is out already

when would the 1500UTC map come out?
219. BurnedAfterPosting 03:27 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting juniort:
Here in Barbados we are noW having heavy rainfall and heavy thunderstorm activity, but winds are light for now


good to know, keep us posted, 97L hasnt really gotten to your location at this point
220. Drakoen 03:27 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting moonlightcowboy:

Westerlies would indicate that the actual coc is now west of Barbados. That radar seems to indicate a location just slightly nwest of the island and would produce westerly winds there. It just has little or no convection over the center.


There is not enough images on the radar animation for me to determine a low pressure center.
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221. stoormfury 03:27 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
winds in barbados ssw at 6mph and in st vincent from the sw at 20mph st lucia from the ne at 20mph
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222. extreme236 03:27 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
I just have trouble believing shear is 30 knots over 97L.
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223. Drakoen 03:29 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Radar updates every 15 minutes. I would need 5 additional frames to really get a handle on what this thing is doing.
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225. TerraNova 03:30 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting moonlightcowboy:

If you look at that animation on radar, am I seeing the coc between and nwest of Barbados and the other Windard Islands? If so, that means it does have a coc, but the shear has totally blown the convection off to the east.


As Drak said, we would need more radar frames to point out any COC. However, radar can prove tricky when trying to find a low level center since eddies caused by convection can mimic LLC's.
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226. SomeRandomTexan 03:30 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting extreme236:
I just have trouble believing shear is 30 knots over 97L.


Me to Extreme... Since it is moving at lets say 20 mph then that would make the shear seem even stronger and it just doesn't look that way looking at the cloud tops... I'm not saying there is no shear since it is obvious there is but you catch my drift. :)
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227. stormpetrol 03:30 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting extreme236:
I just have trouble believing shear is 30 knots over 97L.

Personally doubt that it is I would say 15-20 at most.
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228. canesrule1 03:31 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Looking at this satellite and for sure this is moving WNW, thoughts?

Here's the link: Link
229. sporteguy03 03:32 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:
4 stations in Barbados reporting

Long Beach, Chancery Lane
77.1 °F 76 °F 96% WSW at 3.0 mph
29.89 in 0.00 in / hr

Barbados, Rockley
76.7 °F 75 °F 94% North at 0.0 mph
29.90 in 1.69 in / hr

Grantley Adams
78 °F 75 °F 92% SSE at 2 mph
29.84 in 0.00 in / hr

Barbados, Lodge Hill
75.6 °F 75 °F 98% SSW at 3.1 mph
29.91 in 0.54 in / hr


Seems like some type of low is there?? Wouldn't the shear rip it apart I don't get how it is still circular?
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231. Chicklit 03:32 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
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232. moonlightcowboy 03:32 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
E D I T

Quoting stoormfury:
winds in barbados ssw at 6mph and in st vincent from the sw at 20mph st lucia from the ne at 20mph


Imo, this would indicate that the coc is now west of Barbados - just without convection over it.
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233. BurnedAfterPosting 03:33 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
I think what has happened with the shear is that large ULL is acting like someone sitting on a trunk, with someone inside of it (yes cruel kids joke, but good analogy here lol)

as that ULL lifts NW, it should allow that trough in the Caribbean to lift northward
234. TerraNova 03:33 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
Radar updates every 15 minutes. I would need 5 additional frames to really get a handle on what this thing is doing.


I don't think that radar stores that many frames. In that case you or somebody else may want to save them and then merge them into a GIF animation using online tools such as this one.
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235. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 03:34 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting juniort:
Here in Barbados we are noW having heavy rainfall and heavy thunderstorm activity, but winds are light for now
take a look at the clouds i need ya to tell me if there coming from the east movin west or if there coming from the west movin east there should be two layers upper level should be going west while lower level moves east
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236. Drakoen 03:34 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Sure is interesting to look at on radar though. Powerful tropical wave.
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237. canesrule1 03:34 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting extreme236:
I just have trouble believing shear is 30 knots over 97L.
na, its 15-20 not 30 knots thats exaggerating.
238. Drakoen 03:35 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting TerraNova:


I don't think that radar stores that many frames. In that case you or somebody else may want to save them and then merge them into a GIF animation using online tools such as this one.


I meant as many clear frames as we can get on the system but i'll try and work on that GIF.
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239. KEHCharleston 03:35 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Hya Press
Nahh.. let him live - he is trainable

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Now for Stupid Question Time:

Looking at the models, tomorrow morning (8am EDT, 12UTC) 97L would be at about 15N 66W 'ish, Right?


Currently the shear at 15N 66W is about 30-40kts, Right?


Looking at GFS forecast model for shear, tomorrow morning (8am EDT, 12UTC) at 15N 66W 'ish we would have:


I am shearly confused. (Senior moment?) How hostile could that shear be?

Thanking you in advance.


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240. Chicklit 03:36 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Look at what Africa just spit out!


EATL
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241. Drakoen 03:39 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
The system has stayed south of the BAMM guidance throughout it's life.
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242. canesrule1 03:39 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
LOOK WHATS ABOUT TO EAT BARBADOS!!!

243. stormpetrol 03:40 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
COC possibly at 13.5N/59W
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244. canesrule1 03:41 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting stormpetrol:
COC possibly at 13.5N/59W
Isn't that a little too west?
245. Chicklit 03:41 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
I just don't see how 97L can make anything of itself with all that shear.
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246. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 03:42 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    


latest as of 1131 am est
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247. canesrule1 03:43 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting stormpetrol:
COC possibly at 13.5N/59W
maybe 13.4 and 57.4
248. juniort 03:43 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
The clouds are moving very slowly..I see movement from south to north right now
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249. KimberlyB 03:43 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting Chicklit:
I just don't see how 97L can make anything of itself with all that shear.


Even with all that convection it has? Is the shear really enough to tear it apart?

Not being a smart-ass. Just asking to learn.
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250. Drakoen 03:43 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Base of the upper trough supporting it for the time being:
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251. AussieStorm 03:43 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
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