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High wind shear ripping into 97L
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 01:49 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009 +2
A strong tropical wave (97L) a few hundred miles east of Barbados in the Lesser Antilles Islands has grown less organized today as it tracks west at 15 - 20 mph. The wave is moving underneath an upper-level trough of low pressure, which is bringing 30 knots of wind shear to 97L. While there is a respectable amount of heavy thunderstorm activity associated with 97L, there is no longer any low-level spiral banding or rotation of the cloud pattern. This morning's QuikSCAT pass at 5:35 am EDT showed sustained winds of 35 mph a few hundred miles east of Barbados, but there was no surface circulation evident. The islands of Barbados, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, St. Lucia, and Martinique can expect heavy rain and wind gusts to 50 mph as 97L moves through the Lesser Antilles Islands this afternoon and tonight, but 97L will not become a tropical depression.

Wind shear along the path of 97L is forecast to remain in the high 25 - 35 knot range for at least the next three days. This should prevent further development of 97L, and I expect the disturbance will be gradually torn apart during the next few days. The National Hurricane Center gives 97L a low (less than 30% chance) of developing into a tropical depression in the next 48 hours. None of the computer models are forecasting any tropical storm development over the next seven days.


Figure 1. Current satellite image of African wave 97L.

I'll have an update Tuesday morning. As 97L moves through the islands, you may want to follow local observations there using our wundermap for the region.

Jeff Masters
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551. WPBHurricane05 05:38 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
SOI

Notice how it went negative when El Nino started...now its starting to reverse.
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552. Drakoen 05:38 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
I haven't looked at this in a while lol.
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553. weatherwatcher12 05:38 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
i wonder of the nhc will upgrade this code to orange

They are looking for persistence first.
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554. K8eCane 05:38 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:


Small window might be there but in my view it wont last.


for some reason when i picture you i picture weeza from the movie steel magnolias
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555. reedzone 05:40 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:


Small window might be there but in my view it wont last.


Actually if that Anticyclone goes the right direction towards 97L, there will be a chance. I mean, we both could be wrong, we're both not experts :P

Just observing I guess.. It's always fun to do so.
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556. extreme236 05:39 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
I haven't looked at this in a while lol.


Ive seen more positive than negative.
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558. hurricane23 05:40 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting K8eCane:


for some reason when i picture you i picture weeza from the movie steel magnolias


Just click on the cane pic lol.Sorry brother i dont wishcast every thunderstorm that pops across the atl.
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559. wunderkidcayman 05:40 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
i wonder of the nhc will upgrade this code to orange

maybe
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560. Seflhurricane 05:41 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
i have the gut feeling 97L is going to pull one on all of us it is resisting the shear pretty weel not perfect but well compared to other systems we have had.
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561. CaicosRetiredSailor 05:41 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
ABNT20 KNHC 201739
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 PM EDT MON JUL 20 2009

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

A TROPICAL WAVE JUST EAST OF THE LESSER ANTILLES IS PRODUCING
DISORGANIZED CLOUDINESS AND SHOWERS. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE
EXPECTED TO REMAIN UNFAVORABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM FOR
THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. REGARDLESS OF DEVELOPMENT...LOCALLY HEAVY
RAINFALL AND GUSTY WINDS WILL AFFECT THE LESSER ANTILLES DURING THE
NEXT DAY OR SO AS THE WAVE MOVES WESTWARD AT 15 TO 20 MPH. THERE
IS A LOW CHANCE...LESS THAN 30 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A
TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.


ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BEVEN

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562. AllStar17 05:41 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Still low potential. Saying unfavorable upper-level winds expected to remain. In my view, looks like the ULL is moving away, and the anticyclone is moving off the South American coast.

000
ABNT20 KNHC 201739
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 PM EDT MON JUL 20 2009

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

A TROPICAL WAVE JUST EAST OF THE LESSER ANTILLES IS PRODUCING
DISORGANIZED CLOUDINESS AND SHOWERS. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE
EXPECTED TO REMAIN UNFAVORABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM FOR
THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. REGARDLESS OF DEVELOPMENT...LOCALLY HEAVY
RAINFALL AND GUSTY WINDS WILL AFFECT THE LESSER ANTILLES DURING THE
NEXT DAY OR SO AS THE WAVE MOVES WESTWARD AT 15 TO 20 MPH. THERE
IS A LOW CHANCE...LESS THAN 30 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A
TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$
FORECASTER BEVEN
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563. PensacolaDoug 05:41 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
I know I sound like a broken record but the Eastern Carrib is the "no developement zone" usually.
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564. Drakoen 05:42 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Surface observations indicate that 97L should be west of Barbados now. Winds have shifted from WSW to SSW to SSE.
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565. hurricane23 05:41 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
I haven't looked at this in a while lol.


SOI is recovering with pressure changes in the S. Pacific and was expected.
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566. futuremet 05:42 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:


Small window might be there but in my view it wont last.


Why is that?

This system will be moving into a patch of lower shear values just west of the Antilles, in addition to the fact that the TUTT is lifting. Albeit mesoscale kinks of the TUTT into the Caribbean is not improbable, the propagation of the STR should keep most of the shear north.
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567. K8eCane 05:42 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:


Just click on the cane pic lol.Sorry brother i dont wishcast every thunderstorm that pops across the atl.


well she was my favorite charectar
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568. LowerCal 05:42 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting tigerfanintexas:
Kind of a strange question, but as we have seen the convection tends to drop off during the day due to the heat. Will there be any affect on 97l (if it is still around) when we have the solar eclipse. Will it act as an extended d-max period? TIA
Good question but at no time will any of the Atlantic ocean be shaded.

Animation of Total and Partial Shadow on Earth's Surface
(You can make a GIF of the actual appearance from weather satellite photos.)
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569. WPBHurricane05 05:42 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
The Aussies think the SOI will drop again...we'll see.

The Southern Oscillation Index (SOI) fell sharply through the first three weeks of May and remained strongly negative through the first half of June. Recently the SOI has increased and become slightly positive with a current (6 July) approximate 30 day value of +1. The SOI value for June was −2. The lowest 30 day SOI value recorded in June was −12, on the 13th. Higher than normal mean sea level pressure (MSLP) at Tahiti during the past fortnight, has caused the recent increase in the SOI. The MSLP at Tahiti is expected to fall again as the Pacific continues to warm and the Trade Winds remain generally weaker than normal. The SOI, therefore, is also expected to fall, that is, become negative again.
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570. weatherwatcher12 05:43 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
I know I sound like a broken record but the Eastern Carrib is the "no developement zone" usually.

What about all the storms that strengthened there?
1 comes to mind was Dean
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571. Seflhurricane 05:43 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
i guess the nhc wants to wait and see how long convection will hold and the upperlevel wind situation up ahead of 97L
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572. IKE 05:43 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
...
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573. SLU 05:44 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Present weather:

Overcast with light showers
Winds NE - E @ 10 - 15mph
Looks like 97L is heading directly for St. Lucia.
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574. Drakoen 05:44 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
This blog is a broken record.
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575. tigerfanintexas 05:45 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Thanks for the info lowercal.
576. Patrap 05:45 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
This blog is a broken record.


Yup it is..LOL

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577. wunderkidcayman 05:46 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
still yellow but at the 8pm update will have it if it can presist for another 7-8 hours
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578. Patrap 05:46 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Here is actual "as-it-happened" footage from CBS, with Walter Cronkite reporting on the historic moon landing of Apollo 11 in July, 1969. And you'll see the first electronic "character generators" in action, they were developed about this time.

40 years ago today.

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579. hurricane23 05:47 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting futuremet:


Why is that?

This system will be moving into a patch of lower shear values just west of the Antilles, in addition to the fact that the TUTT is lifting. Albeit mesoscale kinks of the TUTT into the Caribbean is not improbable, the propagation of the STR should keep most of the shear north.


I really see very little chance for this to develope with the digging trof in the gulf,the westerly jet is entrenched down there with no signs of possibly shifting north.
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580. Drakoen 05:49 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
If upper level winds are expected to remain unfavorable for the next few days and the TWO regards conditions out to 48 hours what is the point of even mentioning the system in the first place. It just seems like a way to stay accurate while being inaccurate.
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582. BurnedAfterPosting 05:50 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
If upper level winds are expected to remain unfavorable for the next few days and the TWO regards conditions out to 48 hours what is the point of even mentioning the system in the first place. It just seems like a way to stay accurate while being inaccurate.


I agree, to me by mentioning it at all it tells me they have some doubts about the shear forecasts
583. reedzone 05:50 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
If the TUTT is lifting out as some say, it will take a while for wind shear to cooperate. However and I know this sounds like a broken record but it's possible "Watch that Anticyclone in the Western Carribean". If it catches that, it can get going. The NHC made the right call on 97L, keep it at yellow until we see proof of wind shear relaxing in a large area, not just a small. However, it might try to refire back up in that small area. This ones a fighter and FINALLY has model support from CMC and GFS 12Z runs.

Whoever said this was gonna be dead or RIPed by now.. Your crow is ready :)

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584. STORMMASTERG 05:51 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting hurricane23:


I really see very little chance for this to develope with the digging trof in the gulf,the westerly jet is entrenched down there with no signs of possibly shifting north.
Wrf shear model lifts the jet in the gulf north/as well as trough thats shearing 97l.
585. PcolaDan 05:51 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
This is interesting. Hope it stays south of Panama.

LINK
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586. moonlightcowboy 05:52 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Are we positive or negative NAO?
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587. extreme236 05:52 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
StormmasterG has got to be the best alternate name for Stormtop yet.
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589. KYhomeboy 05:54 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
- St Lucia Weather Update
From: SWhite3726 at aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:33:09 EDT

Hi All,

Well as you know I am still learning much about the weather, but todays I guess must be due to the I97 that stormcarib has been warning us about for a good few days.

Had a good sunny start but that was very quickly replaced by lots of heavy rain, and that has been about it for the rest of the morning so far! Lots of really heavy showers, strong winds during them, but no thunder etc around today. The gusts of wind are very strong, they've been blowing the garden furniture around, so tied them down before they end up in my neighbours garden down the hill!

Any big changes I will update the situation, take care everyone

590. KYhomeboy 05:54 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
- St Lucia Weather Update
From: SWhite3726 at aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:33:09 EDT

Hi All,

Well as you know I am still learning much about the weather, but todays I guess must be due to the I97 that stormcarib has been warning us about for a good few days.

Had a good sunny start but that was very quickly replaced by lots of heavy rain, and that has been about it for the rest of the morning so far! Lots of really heavy showers, strong winds during them, but no thunder etc around today. The gusts of wind are very strong, they've been blowing the garden furniture around, so tied them down before they end up in my neighbours garden down the hill!

Any big changes I will update the situation, take care everyone

593. Drakoen 05:55 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting extreme236:
StormmasterG has got to be the best alternate name for Stormtop yet.


StormMasterG is what the Weather Channel calls Dr. Greg Forbes
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594. nrtiwlnvragn 05:55 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
If upper level winds are expected to remain unfavorable for the next few days and the TWO regards conditions out to 48 hours what is the point of even mentioning the system in the first place. It just seems like a way to stay accurate while being inaccurate.


Because they know their forecast could be wrong.
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595. Drakoen 05:58 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


Because they know their forecast could be wrong.


Exactly.
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596. LPStormspotter 05:59 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting extreme236:
StormmasterG has got to be the best alternate name for Stormtop yet.


lol forgot about him
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597. reedzone 06:00 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Wow, we have alot of downcasters in here today. Though can't say I'm in the boat for development either, in the near term that is. I do see this moving north into the Bahamas and could possibly form into a Tropical Cyclone in a few days. Anything is possible, stranger things have happened in the past.
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598. presslord 06:00 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Pat...

That's incredible!!!!!!!!! Just incredible!!

I've got goose bumps in places you don't even wanna know about...

Thanks!
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599. Twisterman555 06:00 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
I don't comment on here much, I mostly read to learn. All I have to say is that 97L is one little persistent storm.
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600. STORMMASTERG 06:01 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
I am not stormtop,i am the number dr.greg forbes fan thats all.
601. WxLogic 06:01 PM GMT del 20 Luglio 2009    
Quoting PcolaDan:
This is interesting. Hope it stays south of Panama.

LINK


Don't be surprised if that moisture is drawn up some by the trough in the GOM.
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