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Remainder of July hurricane outlook
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 02:31 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009 +3
Not much has changed in the Atlantic since my early July Atlantic hurricane outlook posted two weeks ago. Tropical cyclone activity typically picks up a bit during the last half of July, but we are still a month away from when hurricane season really gets going. Since the current active hurricane period began in 1995, nine of 14 years (63%) have had a named storm form during the last half of July. We had two last-half-of-July named storms last year--Christobal and Dolly. As seen in Figure 1, most of the late July activity occurs in the Gulf of Mexico, Western Caribbean, and Carolina waters. However, a few long-track "Cape Verdes" hurricanes begin to occur. These are spawned by tropical waves that come off the coast of Africa. Tropical waves serve as the instigators of about 85% of all major hurricanes.


Figure 1. Tracks of all tropical storms and hurricanes 1851 - 2006 that formed July 16 - 31.The Gulf of Mexico coast is the preferred strike location. There are still very few major Cape Verdes-type hurricanes forming in the last half of July.

Sea Surface Temperatures
Sea Surface Temperature (SST) anomalies have warmed slightly over the past two weeks, and are about 0.3°C (0.5°F) above average over the tropical Atlantic between Africa and Central America (Figure 2). These are some of the coolest SST anomalies for this time of year that we've seen since 1994. The strength of the Azores-Bermuda high has been near or slightly below average over the past two weeks, driving slightly below average trade winds. Weaker trade winds don't mix up as much cold water from the depths, and cause less evaporative cooling. The latest 2-week run of the GFS model predicts continued near-average or slightly below average-strength trade winds through the end of July, so SSTs should remain slightly above average during this period.


Figure 2. Sea Surface Temperature (SST) departure from average for July 13, 2009. SSTs were about 0.3°C (0.5°F) average over the tropical Atlantic's Main Development region for hurricanes, from Africa to Central America between 10° and 20° North Latitude. Note the large region of above average SSTs along the Equatorial Pacific off the coast of South America, the hallmark of a developing El Niño episode. Image credit: NOAA/NESDIS

El Niño
El Niño conditions continue to amplify over the tropical Eastern Pacific. Ocean temperatures in the area 5°N - 5°S, 120°W - 170°W, also called the "Niña 3.4 region", are now 0.4°C above the threshold for a weak El Niño, according to the Australian Bureau of Meteorology (Figure 3). An increase of another 0.1°C will push the current El Niño into the "moderate" category. NOAA's Climate Prediction Center issued an El Niño Advisory earlier this month. The latest set of mid-June runs of the El Niño computer models are almost universally calling for El Niño conditions to become well-established for the peak months of hurricane season, August - October. It is likely that Atlantic hurricane activity will be suppressed in 2009 due to the strong upper-level winds and resulting wind shear an El Niño event usually brings to the tropical Atlantic.


Figure 3. Sea Surface Temperature (SST) departure from average for the the equatorial Eastern Pacific (the area 5°N - 5°S, 120°W - 170°W, also called the "Niña 3.4 region"). El Niño conditions exist when the SST in this region rises 0.5°C above average. As of July 8, 2009, SSTs in the Niño 3.4 region had risen to 0.9°C above average. To be considered an "El Niño episode", El Niño conditions must occur for five consecutive months, using 3-month averages. Image credit: Australian Bureau of Meteorology.

Wind shear
Wind shear is usually defined as the difference in wind between 200 mb (roughly 40,000 foot altitude) and 850 mb (roughly 5,000 foot altitude). In most circumstances, wind shear above 20 knots will act to inhibit tropical storm formation. Wind shear below 12 knots is very conducive for tropical storm formation. High wind shear acts to tear a storm apart. The jet stream's band of strong high-altitude winds is the main source of wind shear in July over the Atlantic hurricane breeding grounds, since the jet is very active and located quite far south this time of year.

The jet stream over the past three months has been locked into a pattern where a southern branch (the subtropical jet stream) brings high wind shear over the Caribbean, and a northern branch (the polar jet stream) brings high wind shear offshore of New England.

The jet stream is forecast to maintain this two-branch pattern for the next week. However, during the final week of July, the subtropical jet is forecast to weaken. This will leave regions of low wind shear over the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico for the final week of July (Figure 4), increasing the chances of hurricane development.


Figure 4. Wind shear in m/s between 200 mb and 850 mb on July 31, 2009, as forecast by the 00Z July 15, 2009 run of the GFS model. The subtropical jet is forecast to weaken by this time, leaving regions of low wind shear over the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico for the final week of July. Wind speeds are given in m/s; multiply by two to get a rough conversion to knots. Thus, the red regions of low shear range from 0 - 16 knots.

Dry air and African dust
June and July are the peak months for dust coming off the coast of Africa, and the Saharan dust storms have been quite active over the past month. Expect dust from Africa to be a major deterrent to any storms that try to form between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands in July. Several well-developed African waves have been done in by dry air from Africa over the past few weeks.

Steering currents
The steering current pattern over the past few weeks has not changed much. A persistent trough of low pressure has remained entrenched over the Eastern U.S. all summer, bringing cool and relatively moist weather to the eastern half of the country. This trough is strong enough to recurve any tropical storms or hurricanes that might penetrate north of the Caribbean Sea. Steering current patterns are predictable only about 3 - 5 days in the future, although we can make very general forecasts about the pattern as much as two weeks in advance. At present, it appears that the coming two weeks will maintain the strong trough over the Eastern U.S., which decreases the hurricane risk to the U.S. Gulf Coast. There is no telling what might happen to the steering current pattern during the peak months of August, September, and October, but it is often difficult to break a months-long steering current pattern like the current one.

Summary
Recent history suggests a 63% chance of a named storm occurring in the last half of July. Given that none of the computer models are forecasting tropical storm formation in the coming seven days, and SST and wind shear patterns look pretty average, I'll go with a 30% chance of a named storm forming this month. Such a storm would most likely form near the end of the month, when wind shear is expected to decline due to a weakening of the subtropical jet stream. The last time we went this long in the season without a named storm forming was in 2004, when the first storm (Alex) formed on August 1.

I'll have a new post on Friday.

Jeff Masters
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151. weatherwatcher12 05:45 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting CybrTeddy:



Expected, the seasbrease as I said is kicking in early. They are expecting it to clear out.

Yeah, but they said a rain cover on a thruster is miss so they don't want much rain because it could freeze during launch
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152. nrtiwlnvragn 05:48 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting weatherwatcher12:

Yeah, but they said a rain cover on a thruster is miss so they don't want much rain because it could freeze during launch


They fixed the covers by replacing them yesterday.
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153. aspectre 05:48 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
54. BurnedAfterPosting "Quoting OSUWXGUY: I'm not disagreeing with the gist of your post...southwest shear is impinging on Dolores."

"Based on satellite we had people here saying Dolores was a hurricane. NHC looks at the satellite and says its a 40mph TS lol"

errm...no on several counts.
1) What I said back in 2362 of the previous blog was based on watching changes in the latitudes&longitudes of both HurricaneCarlos and the trailing Invest96E -- thus deducing changes in relative vectors -- and thinking that I was seeing the FujiwharaEffect producing a rapid spinup of the invest.
2) By the time I got back to the blog, Invest96E had become TropicalDepressionFIVE-E (aka TD05E), and predicted an equally rapid spinup of TD05E into TropicalStormDolores.
(At the time NHC was predicting "in the next 24 hours")
3) Based on HurricaneCarlos' northeast quadrant leaving an antishear trail for TSDolores to draft into -- much like the leading race car cutting drag for its closely following competitor -- I predicted/asked "Two hurricanes heading toward Hawaii?" (Dolores followed by Carlos)
4) Beyond what I've seen in and learned from the WeatherUnderground blog, my expertise in tropical weather prediction is zero.
Which is why I further asked "Or is TD05E [now TSDolores] still too far away from HurricaneCarlos (guesstimating ~900NauticalMiles) for the FujiwharaEffect to come into play?"

I've yet to receive any response to either question.
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154. weatherwatcher12 05:50 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


They fixed the covers by replacing them yesterday.

Oh.
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155. AllStar17 05:54 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Would anyone believe this is a hurricane???

It looks like a Tropical Depression at this point.

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156. BurnedAfterPosting 05:57 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting aspectre:
54. BurnedAfterPosting "Quoting OSUWXGUY: I'm not disagreeing with the gist of your post...southwest shear is impinging on Dolores."

"Based on satellite we had people here saying Dolores was a hurricane. NHC looks at the satellite and says its a 40mph TS lol"

errm...no on several counts.
1) What I said back in 2362 of the previous blog was based on watching changes in the latitude&longitude (and thus deducing changes in relative vectors) of both HurricaneCarlos and the trailing Invest96E, and thinking that I was seeing the FujiwharaEffect producing a rapid spinup of the invest.
2) By the time I got back to the blog, Invest96E had become TropicalDepressionFIVE-E (aka TD05E), and predicted an equally rapid spinup of TD05E into TropicalStormDelores.
(At the time NHC was predicting "in the next 24 hours")
3) Based on HurricaneCarlos' northeast quadrant leaving an antishear trail for TSDelores to draft into -- much like the leading race car cutting drag for its closely following competitor -- I predicted/asked "Two hurricanes heading toward Hawaii?"
4) Beyond what I've seen in and learned from the WunderUnderground blog, my expertise in tropical weather prediction is zero.
Which is why I further asked "Or is TD05E [now TSDolores] still too far away from HurricaneCarlos (guesstimating ~900NauticalMiles) for the FujiwharaEffect to come into play?"

I've yet to receive any response to either question.


My post had nothing to do with yours, it was in reaction to other comments. In fact I hadnt even seen your original comment.

To answer your questions, Dolores and Carlos appear to be too far apart for any sort of fujiwara effect to take place. Also Carlos will go south of Hawaii and do to its miniture size will have very little impact, if any. Dolores will have weakened to a remnant low well to the east of Hawaii as well.
157. CybrTeddy 06:02 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting weatherwatcher12:

Yeah, but they said a rain cover on a thruster is miss so they don't want much rain because it could freeze during launch


Reparied when the RSS was retracted.
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158. Ossqss 06:07 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Pattern looks very familiar. There is time, but it may not be pretty at 6pm for launch. Hope for the best.

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159. Patrap 06:21 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
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160. BenInHouTX 06:29 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting SomeRandomTexan:
The heat continues here in SETX... We are hoping for some relief today and through the rest of the week with some slight chances of rain... I think I'm going to break out the rain dance...haha!

I'll join you in that dance. According to the KHOU calendar, besides 7/7 when we had 1.48 inches of rain, we have had 0.67 inches of rain from 4/29 to now.
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161. hurricanefiend85 06:30 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Doesn't it seem as though anything that does finally make it into GOM or even Carribean Sea stands the chance to just explode if even moderate convection takes hold? Maybe not now under the present conditions but I remember Wilma strengthing in to GOM before striking FL under 25kts of shear, not to mention the monster that Katrina became once it was over that area of extremely warm water in GOM (not sure the technical term). I know 2005 was anything but normal but the temperatures were looking at now seem to not bode well for things to come.
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162. perkulator 06:32 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
quick question

Whats the diffrence between the positive and negative NAO?
163. Patrap 06:33 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
That's a good observation as the potential exists for a Bad scenario,..say if a fairly organized early stage TD or TS could find that fuel,..and if the right track were navigated to the coastline,..well,it could be a very bad Blow for someone.
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164. Patrap 06:36 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
165. SomeRandomTexan 06:40 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting BenInHouTX:

I'll join you in that dance. According to the KHOU calendar, besides 7/7 when we had 1.48 inches of rain, we have had 0.67 inches of rain from 4/29 to now.


extremely dry! I think H-town has been hit harder than us over here farther east.. I live in the Orange/Beaumont area and we have been lucky enough to have a couple small showers... May the rains come!
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166. N3EG 06:43 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
DOLORES is headed to LOS ANGELES as a CAT 5!!!

See, us West Coasters can wishcast and overreact as well as anybody can.
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167. stormpetrol 06:45 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Also Carlos will go south of Hawaii and do to its miniture size will have very little impact, if any. Dolores will have weakened to a remnant low well to the east of Hawaii as well.

Could very well be true, but I'd like to borrow your crystal ball for the rest of the season.
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168. Patrap 06:47 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
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169. BurnedAfterPosting 06:50 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting stormpetrol:
Also Carlos will go south of Hawaii and do to its miniture size will have very little impact, if any. Dolores will have weakened to a remnant low well to the east of Hawaii as well.

Could very well be true, but I'd like to borrow your crystal ball for the rest of the season.


No crystal ball needed, NHC has had that stance for several days. It is pretty obvious to see that Carlos will not come close to Hawaii. It is also pretty obvious that Dolores will have weakened to a remnant low within a few days from now, well away from Hawaii
170. WPBHurricane05 06:56 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Not sure if this was posted...morning discussion from Miami:

TUESDAY...TIME TO LOOK TO THE EAST!!! GLOBAL MODELS (GFS, ECMWF)
HAVE BEEN PERSISTENT IN DEVELOPING A RATHER HEALTHY TROPICAL WAVE
OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC JUST OFF AFRICA. PREVIOUS RUN OF BOTH, GFS
AND ECMWF, DEVELOPED A CYCLONIC CIRCULATION WITH THIS SYSTEM BY THE
TIME IT REACHES THE SOUTHEASTERN BAHAMAS, THEN RECURVED IT NORTHWARD
AROUND THE PERIPHERY OF THE ATLANTIC RIDGE. HOWEVER, LATEST RUNS
OF THESE MODELS PUSH THE SYSTEM FURTHER WESTWARD AND BRING IT
RATHER CLOSE TO SOUTH FLORIDA (TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT) BEFORE
RECURVING. WHILE THIS IS STILL TOO FAR IN THE FUTURE AND THE
MODELS ARE BOUND TO CHANGE MANY TIMES, IT IS NOT OUT OF THE REALM
OF POSSIBILITIES AS WE ENTER THE ACTIVE PORTION OF THE ATLANTIC
HURRICANE SEASON, AND IT BEARS WATCHING.
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171. KEEPEROFTHEGATE (Mod) 06:59 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
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172. cyclonekid 07:00 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
can anybody explain this to me? what is that off the SE coast?

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173. hurricanefiend85 07:02 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Thanks for the links Patrap!
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174. beell 07:02 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Sounds good to me, nrt. This does not look like an east coast trough. Digging over the middle south instead. A good possibility that it will quickly cut off a meandering or even retrograding upper low over the mid-south instead. A wave developing along the SC coast as a surface reflection. followed by the first and then maybe the second Atl wave.
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175. aspectre 07:03 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting winter123: The reason the NHC is getting a bad rap lately is blatantly ignoring storms that are unusual (hasnt happened before) just because they won't affect land, or are off season. Good example is Vince, I believe it was named as a hurricane on the first advisory. It obviously didn't instantly become a hurricane, that is just called NHC covering their a***s.

On the contrary, NHC admitted to an extremely late labeling of Vince
1) Vince was sitting on "[paraphrasing] water too cold to support tropical cyclone development." Should have rapidly become extra-tropical.
2) Vince was heading directly toward Europe, which was even weirder.

3) The NHC had no problem calling Catarina a hurricane, even though it was in the SouthAtlantic. Which was such an unusual first that the Brazilian meterology service denied its hurricane status even after landfall.
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176. Chicklit 07:04 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting WPBHurricane05:
Not sure if this was posted...morning discussion from Miami:

TUESDAY...TIME TO LOOK TO THE EAST!!! GLOBAL MODELS (GFS, ECMWF)
HAVE BEEN PERSISTENT IN DEVELOPING A RATHER HEALTHY TROPICAL WAVE
OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC JUST OFF AFRICA. PREVIOUS RUN OF BOTH, GFS
AND ECMWF, DEVELOPED A CYCLONIC CIRCULATION WITH THIS SYSTEM BY THE
TIME IT REACHES THE SOUTHEASTERN BAHAMAS, THEN RECURVED IT NORTHWARD
AROUND THE PERIPHERY OF THE ATLANTIC RIDGE. HOWEVER, LATEST RUNS
OF THESE MODELS PUSH THE SYSTEM FURTHER WESTWARD AND BRING IT
RATHER CLOSE TO SOUTH FLORIDA (TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT) BEFORE
RECURVING. WHILE THIS IS STILL TOO FAR IN THE FUTURE AND THE
MODELS ARE BOUND TO CHANGE MANY TIMES, IT IS NOT OUT OF THE REALM
OF POSSIBILITIES AS WE ENTER THE ACTIVE PORTION OF THE ATLANTIC
HURRICANE SEASON, AND IT BEARS WATCHING.

Wow. Somebody finally said it.
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178. cyclonekid 07:13 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
#172 With a cold front heading south and stalling off the Carolina coast over the gulf stream, there is a small chance that a storm will form along the front and then whip out to sea--the GFS has been showing the possibility of a decent wave of low pressure starting in the northeast gulf this weekend, going across N Florida / S Georgia, and going ENE out to sea. That is not uncommon in the last half of July.

just like TD 1 did except w/ the cold frontal boundary...ok...I understand
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181. CybrTeddy 07:32 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Cells at KSC are dissipating rapidly.
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182. WPBHurricane05 07:34 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Here is the updated discussion:

AT THE SAME TIME...A TROPICAL WAVE OVER THE FAR EASTERN ATLANTIC
WATERS WILL MOVE WEST TO NORTHWEST TOWARDS SOUTH FLORIDA THROUGH
THE WEEKEND...BRINGING IN SOME DRIER AIR TO THE AREA FOR THIS
WEEKEND. THE TROPICAL WAVE COULD THEN MOVE INTO SOUTH FLORIDA
EARLY NEXT WEEK ALLOWING FOR DEEPER TROPICAL MOISTURE TO WORK INTO
THE AREA. SO HAVE KEPT THE POPS IN THE SLIGHT CHANCE TO LOW END
CHANCE CAT THIS WEEKEND FOR SOUTH FLORIDA, THEN THE HIGH IN CHANCE
CAT FOR EARLY NEXT WEEK.
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183. CaribBoy 07:39 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
I thought it was a fake.. a joke from a blogger lol I didnt imagine this could be from a NWS forecaster :

TUESDAY...TIME TO LOOK TO THE EAST!!! GLOBAL MODELS (GFS, ECMWF)
HAVE BEEN PERSISTENT IN DEVELOPING A RATHER HEALTHY TROPICAL WAVE
OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC JUST OFF AFRICA. PREVIOUS RUN OF BOTH, GFS
AND ECMWF, DEVELOPED A CYCLONIC CIRCULATION WITH THIS SYSTEM BY THE
TIME IT REACHES THE SOUTHEASTERN BAHAMAS, THEN RECURVED IT NORTHWARD
AROUND THE PERIPHERY OF THE ATLANTIC RIDGE. HOWEVER, LATEST RUNS
OF THESE MODELS PUSH THE SYSTEM FURTHER WESTWARD AND BRING IT
RATHER CLOSE TO SOUTH FLORIDA (TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT) BEFORE
RECURVING. WHILE THIS IS STILL TOO FAR IN THE FUTURE AND THE
MODELS ARE BOUND TO CHANGE MANY TIMES, IT IS NOT OUT OF THE REALM
OF POSSIBILITIES AS WE ENTER THE ACTIVE PORTION OF THE ATLANTIC
HURRICANE SEASON, AND IT BEARS WATCHING.
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184. homelesswanderer 07:44 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting WPBHurricane05:
Here is the updated discussion:

AT THE SAME TIME...A TROPICAL WAVE OVER THE FAR EASTERN ATLANTIC
WATERS WILL MOVE WEST TO NORTHWEST TOWARDS SOUTH FLORIDA THROUGH
THE WEEKEND...BRINGING IN SOME DRIER AIR TO THE AREA FOR THIS
WEEKEND. THE TROPICAL WAVE COULD THEN MOVE INTO SOUTH FLORIDA
EARLY NEXT WEEK ALLOWING FOR DEEPER TROPICAL MOISTURE TO WORK INTO
THE AREA. SO HAVE KEPT THE POPS IN THE SLIGHT CHANCE TO LOW END
CHANCE CAT THIS WEEKEND FOR SOUTH FLORIDA, THEN THE HIGH IN CHANCE
CAT FOR EARLY NEXT WEEK.


Do they say where it would go after hitting south Florida? They are expecting the wave to approach from the SE. Will the trough still take it out to sea? And what does "CAT" mean in this context? Sorry for all the questions. Still learning. :)
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186. Skyepony (Mod) 07:45 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Last month's numbers are out.. Tied with 2007, 4th hottest June (since 1880), according to NASA. NOAA agrees & has us 3rd hottest for land & 8th hottest for ocean. Northern Hem ties 2005 with 2nd hottest land temps. Ties 1998 & 2002 June 3rd hottest land & ocean.

Broke records for Jan- Jun~ was the warmest for land & ocean in N Hemisphere (2nd globally) warmest land for Northern hemisphere & globally yet.



The upper atmo was mostly 4-7th warmest.

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188. Seflhurricane 07:49 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
can someone explain to me why the Miami nws says this and the nhc does not i m very confused
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189. BurnedAfterPosting 07:48 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:
And then they've got the nerve to critize the bloggers on here, PLEASE!!!!!!!


You might want to reign in your emotions, you do realize you are talking about professionals right?
190. Seflhurricane 07:48 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
i believe that CAT means central atlantic if i am wrong please correct me
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192. BurnedAfterPosting 07:53 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
i believe that CAT means central atlantic if i am wrong please correct me


CAT is short for Category I think
193. homelesswanderer 07:52 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
i believe that CAT means central atlantic if i am wrong please correct me


Thanks Sefhurricane. And the question about the NWS and NHC. I think they are two seperate agencies. The NHC deals with tropical weather and the NWS is more general about any kind of weather but only covers a small area. I think. Lol
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194. BurnedAfterPosting 07:53 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:



Well then, some professionals that they appear to be.


Why because they mention the wave? So what?
195. Seflhurricane 07:54 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
i have been in and out today can someone bring me up to speed to what is going on with our tropical wave near the cape verde islands
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196. Seflhurricane 07:55 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting homelesswanderer:


Thanks Sefhurricane. And the question about the NWS and NHC. I think they are two seperate agencies. The NHC deals with tropical weather and the NWS is more general about any kind of weather but only covers a small area. I think. Lol
thanks but i know they are seperate entities BUT why would the nws make that kind of statement when the hurricne center is the one who says that and has not said anything at all.
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197. Patrap 07:56 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
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199. Patrap 07:58 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
200. homelesswanderer 07:58 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
Quoting Seflhurricane:
thanks but i know they are seperate entities BUT why would the nws make that kind of statement when the hurricne center is the one who says that and has not said anything at all.


Oh ok oops. :) That is an interesting question though. Ive noticed in the past our local NWS will not mention the tropics when the NHC does. It does get confusing.
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201. Orcasystems 07:59 PM GMT del 15 Luglio 2009    
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