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90L comes close to being the season's first named storm
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 05:30 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009 +2
The large extratropical storm (90L) that has been pounding Florida, the Bahamas, and Haiti this week with heavy rain and high surf has moved ashore over Mississippi. Last night and this morning, the storm put on an impressive burst of heavy thunderstorm activity and came close to becoming a subtropical or tropical depression. Winds at the Fort Morgan, AL station were 44 mph, gusting to 52 mph, and winds at Dauphin Island, Alabama coastal station were sustained at 39 mph, gusting to 48 mph at between 8am and 10am EDT this morning. While these winds were in excess of the 39 mph threshold of tropical storm force, both measurements were taken at elevations higher than the international wind measurement standard of ten meters, so the top measured winds of 90L were actually slightly less than tropical storm force. Had 90L spent another six hours over water, it very likely would have been declared a tropical/subtropical depression/storm.

The circulation around 90L continues to mean rain for Florida, but the rains will be lessening today. Rainfall amounts as high as 28 inches were measured this week in Northern Florida at Brunnell. Rainfall amounts of 2 - 3 inches have accumulated along the Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida Panhandle coasts from 90L so far (Figure 1).


Figure 1. Estimated rainfall from the Mobile, AL radar.

There are no other threat areas in the Atlantic to discuss today, so have a great weekend, and I'll have a new blog post by Tuesday.

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201. Stormchaser2007 11:45 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
98B:

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202. aquak9 11:46 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
no sticking your head in the sand, plywood. We're stuck in this together, all of us, well except Levi who's in Alaska, but we still want to be stuck with him, too.
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203. Levi32 11:47 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


THis year will experience a less active CV season due to the combinations of a drier ITCZ, below average November-May African Rainfall, lower SSTs along Africa and anomalously weaker AEJ.


That means look out for seemingly harmless tropical waves sneaking under the TUTT and popping out on the other side under the Bermuda High where development close to home will be a big concern this season.
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204. Stormchaser2007 11:48 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:


She was a fun system to track.


Heres a little image I put together when 92L(Bertha) was about to leave the coast.I think I did alright...

Keep in mind those were still my 'learning' days lol.

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205. plywoodstatenative 11:48 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
I will make sure to bring Levi back down this way then.

Btw Aqua, check mail.
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206. stormwatcherCI 11:49 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Levi32:
Sorry Aqua that was a pretty big post with all those pics lol.

Basically we're more similar to 2004 than we have been over the past couple years, but it's not near as extreme of a pattern setting up as it was in 2004. The threat to Florida and the SE coast will be bigger this year because of developments close to home, rather than long-track storms. Most storms coming off Africa will likely recurve or shear apart more often than not this year.
I really pray that this year is not like 2004 for the Cayman Islands. That is the year we were devastated by Ivan. My son and his family left Cayman due to the severe damage and managed to arrive in Miami 2 days before Jean. Luckily he flew out to Kentucky the day before Jean hit Fla.
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207. nrtiwlnvragn 11:49 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Quoting plywoodstatenative:
Cause I know that alot of people are saying that at least my region is due for a storm. What factors are used to determine a set mean or ratio for how long one could expect to see a Cat 3+ storm vs just a regular Hurricane. Would be interested to have that information.


Hurricane Return Periods
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208. Levi32 11:49 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
98B:



Needs to fill that hole in the middle......not sure why it's not able to do that yet.
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209. plywoodstatenative 11:49 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Levi, don't remind me. I know all about that, going to be an interesting season here. See how people react to a storm popping up so close to CONUS instead of something like Andrew when he formed so far out.
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210. Cavin Rawlins 11:49 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Levi32:


That means look out for seemingly harmless tropical waves sneaking under the TUTT and popping out on the other side under the Bermuda High where development close to home will be a big concern this season.


Thats is so true. Development of waves normally occurs in the western side of the Bermuda High where convergence is greatest. We may see more random development in region 2 this year

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211. lopaka001 11:50 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Strong surge of SAL off the coast. Im pretty sure we wont see as many AEWs this year as we saw last year.



Is that the Red Dust we are looking at?
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212. Patrap 11:50 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    


Family Disaster Plan

Discuss the type of hazards that could affect your family. Know your home's vulnerability to storm surge, flooding and wind.

Locate a safe room or the safest areas in your home for each hurricane hazard. In certain circumstances the safest areas may not be your home but within your community.

Determine escape routes from your home and places to meet. These should be measured in tens of miles rather than hundreds of miles.

Have an out-of-state friend as a family contact, so all your family members have a single point of contact.

Make a plan now for what to do with your pets if you need to evacuate.

Post emergency telephone numbers by your phones and make sure your children know how and when to call 911.

Check your insurance coverage - flood damage is not usually covered by homeowners insurance.

Stock non-perishable emergency supplies and a Disaster Supply Kit.

Use a NOAA weather radio. Remember to replace its battery every 6 months, as you do with your smoke detectors.

Take First Aid, CPR and disaster preparedness classes.
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213. Stormchaser2007 11:50 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Quoting lopaka001:


Is that the Red Dust we are looking at?


Yes that is correct. SAL is highly unfavorable for any type of convection formation.
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214. plywoodstatenative 11:51 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Levi, question.

What do you rather prefer, the weather you have in AK or what you have down here seasonally?
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215. Levi32 11:51 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
I really pray that this year is not like 2004 for the Cayman Islands. That is the year we were devastated by Ivan. My son and his family left Cayman due to the severe damage and managed to arrive in Miami 2 days before Jean. Luckily he flew out to Kentucky the day before Jean hit Fla.


Wow, that must have been quite a roller-coaster for all of you. Hopefully that won't happen again anytime soon.
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216. plywoodstatenative 11:52 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Pat, thats something that the local news has to get ahold of and distribute enmass.
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217. aquak9 11:52 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
plywood- "The Black Cloud" by Eliot Kleinberg, should be mandatory reading for those near Lake O...

those who don't remember history, are condemned to repeat it. Sad sad story.
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218. Stormchaser2007 11:52 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Levi32:


Needs to fill that hole in the middle......not sure why it's not able to do that yet.


It should be able to fill the center by tomorrow. The sooner convection develops over that area the better the chances are of it becoming a Hurricane.
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219. WPBHurricane05 11:53 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
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220. Patrap 11:54 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Pat, thats something that the local news has to get ahold of and distribute enmass.

That's why were stressing the Prep week here starting in a Big way tomorrow.

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221. plywoodstatenative 11:54 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
In essence what you are saying is that Zone 2 and 3 is where we should be looking for development vs the CV area? If so, is that why the temps in the Caribbean basin are now more widespread than they were 2 weeks ago?
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222. Levi32 11:54 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Quoting plywoodstatenative:
Levi, question.

What do you rather prefer, the weather you have in AK or what you have down here seasonally?


A choice between dead boring and potentially disastrous......I guess since I'm young I wouldn't mind potentially disastrous lol. I guess I'd prefer your guy's weather, but I would think my opinion would be different if I was one of you guys who have been through the terrible storms.
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223. stormwatcherCI 11:55 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Levi32:


Wow, that must have been quite a roller-coaster for all of you. Hopefully that won't happen again anytime soon.
I grew up in s. Fla. so I had experienced many hurricanes. I moved here in '73 and had a few close brushes but never before experienced anything like Ivan and hope to God never to again. I never was afraid before when we went on hurricane warning but now I get a knot in my stomach. Thank God we only had 2 deaths but Icried many tears over the damage.
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224. aquak9 11:55 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
caymans's still getting over Paloma from last year. Horror stories from Ivan still creep me out.
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225. Stormchaser2007 11:56 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
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226. Patrap 11:57 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
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227. Levi32 11:58 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Gotta go. Later all.
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228. BahaHurican 11:58 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


Thats is so true. Development of waves normally occurs in the western side of the Bermuda High where convergence is greatest. We may see more random development in region 2 this year

Yah. That region two is a bad place for Bahamians. . . Storms with starting points in region 4 tend to impact eastern CAR, but IIRC the Bahamas / FL tend to stay off their track. (If there's a FL impact, it's usually GOM side.) OTOH, stuff out of region 2 can threaten anywhere from the greater Antilles to the Outer Banks.
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229. Cavin Rawlins 12:00 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting plywoodstatenative:
In essence what you are saying is that Zone 2 and 3 is where we should be looking for development vs the CV area? If so, is that why the temps in the Caribbean basin are now more widespread than they were 2 weeks ago?


Regions 1, 3 and 4 – Average development but uncertainty with storms moving into region 1.
Region 2 – More random development and tracks
Region – 5 – Average to below normal development

2009 Hurricane Season Outlook
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230. presslord 12:01 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
I smell boiled shrimp and steamed mussels...God, I love my wife...
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231. BahaHurican 12:02 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Only good thing about zone 2 formations is that there's still a chance of fish storm tracks depending on strength / location of AB high.
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232. WPBHurricane05 12:03 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:
Plymouth State Weather Center archived satellite data.


Cool link. Bookmarked.
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233. lopaka001 12:03 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Yes that is correct. SAL is highly unfavorable for any type of convection formation.


Thanks Storm always good to see the dry air take over..
Guess it's time to buy the Benadryl again I am sure that stuff is going to make it over here in Florida.
We might see those fiery red and orange sunsets too..
;=)
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234. WPBHurricane05 12:05 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Who remembers this dud from 2006 (TS Chris)- Link

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235. Stormchaser2007 12:06 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting lopaka001:


Thanks Storm always good to see the dry air take over..
Guess it's time to buy the Benadryl again I am sure that stuff is going to make it over here in Florida.
We might see those fiery red and orange sunsets too..
;=)


Yeah we had a couple of those awesome sunsets last year. I should upload the pictures I took of them.
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236. Cavin Rawlins 12:06 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting BahaHurican:
Only good thing about zone 2 formations is that there's still a chance of fish storm tracks depending on strength / location of AB high.


Zone 2 is rather problematic. Both Ike and Andrew passed through zone 2. As oppose to Florence 2006 and Fabian 2004, which both affected Bermuda and Maria 2005 and Helen 2006 which affected no land.
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237. Stormchaser2007 12:07 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting WPBHurricane05:
Who remembers this dud from 2006 (TS Chris)- Link



How could we forget?

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238. zoomiami 12:07 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
I'm not sure that I agree that this has been a wet May for South Florida. West Palm and up got most of the rain, with northern Florida getting the huge numbers. Florida is a big state, and South Florida probably only got about 6 inches over the last week. That's normal for us - not wet.
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239. Cavin Rawlins 12:10 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting WPBHurricane05:
Who remembers this dud from 2006 (TS Chris)- Link



lol...never could forget, I actually had it going south of the upper trough parked to its east and once it was west thereof, actually strenghten due to the upper level setup that would enhanced outflow. The upper trough dip south quickly with little mercy for Chris.
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240. zoomiami 12:11 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
The other thing to remember is that the season hasn't even started, so to say that we will or won't get one type of a storm or another is pure speculation.

As to home grown, lets not forget that Katrina was a nothing storm off the coast of Broward, less than about 90 miles from land. As many say, it only takes 1.
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241. Cavin Rawlins 12:14 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
I bet if Chris was human he would be singing:

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242. seafarer459 12:14 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Hello all,
Quoting Patrap:
Pat, thats something that the local news has to get ahold of and distribute enmass.

That's why were stressing the Prep week here starting in a Big way tomorrow.



Ignorance and apathy are the haulmark of disaster.
People here in Charleston are full of both. Presslord and SJ will verify that. The most common thing I hear is "my house survived Hugo". Well Hugo eyed 15 mi north of your house. Had it been 15 mi south, who knows? My point is you really can't fix stupid.
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243. lopaka001 12:14 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Yeah we had a couple of those awesome sunsets last year. I should upload the pictures I took of them.


Yea lets see them..
I am on the East Coast so the landscape blocks my view.
African Red Dust
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244. Stormchaser2007 12:17 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting lopaka001:


Yea lets see them..
I am on the East Coast so the landscape blocks my view.
African Red Dust


Wow thats a nice one! Ill try and upload some photos tomorrow.
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245. Drakoen 12:17 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


How could we forget?



LOL
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246. WPBHurricane05 12:21 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
I bet if Chris was human he would be singing:


LOL..there wasn't much left when the shear got to him. I guess we forgot to look at the shear forecast when making our intensity predictions.
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247. Stormchaser2007 12:21 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Heres was the track for Chris when he was near his peak. Pretty scary...good thing he failed miserably.

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248. lopaka001 12:24 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting zoomiami:
I'm not sure that I agree that this has been a wet May for South Florida. West Palm and up got most of the rain, with northern Florida getting the huge numbers. Florida is a big state, and South Florida probably only got about 6 inches over the last week. That's normal for us - not wet.


One can say normal is wet when you live here..
;=)

During the bad hurricane seasons in the past they were saying that the month of May in those years was dry aka drought conditions.
Looking at the data from the past it supports that but like someone said here mother nature has her own plans..
We will see what happens..
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249. eyewall99 12:25 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
plywoodstatenative=JFV?
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250. Stormchaser2007 12:26 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting eyewall99:
plywoodstatenative=JFV?


Not at all.


WeatherStudent=JFV.
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251. lopaka001 12:27 AM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Stormchaser2007:


Wow thats a nice one! Ill try and upload some photos tomorrow.


Could you send me a link to them Storm when you get them up?
I got to run duty calls..
Nice to see you all again thanks for the info and links everyone!
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