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90L comes close to being the season's first named storm
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 05:30 PM GMT del 23 Maggio 2009 +2
The large extratropical storm (90L) that has been pounding Florida, the Bahamas, and Haiti this week with heavy rain and high surf has moved ashore over Mississippi. Last night and this morning, the storm put on an impressive burst of heavy thunderstorm activity and came close to becoming a subtropical or tropical depression. Winds at the Fort Morgan, AL station were 44 mph, gusting to 52 mph, and winds at Dauphin Island, Alabama coastal station were sustained at 39 mph, gusting to 48 mph at between 8am and 10am EDT this morning. While these winds were in excess of the 39 mph threshold of tropical storm force, both measurements were taken at elevations higher than the international wind measurement standard of ten meters, so the top measured winds of 90L were actually slightly less than tropical storm force. Had 90L spent another six hours over water, it very likely would have been declared a tropical/subtropical depression/storm.

The circulation around 90L continues to mean rain for Florida, but the rains will be lessening today. Rainfall amounts as high as 28 inches were measured this week in Northern Florida at Brunnell. Rainfall amounts of 2 - 3 inches have accumulated along the Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida Panhandle coasts from 90L so far (Figure 1).


Figure 1. Estimated rainfall from the Mobile, AL radar.

There are no other threat areas in the Atlantic to discuss today, so have a great weekend, and I'll have a new blog post by Tuesday.

Jeff Masters
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601. ddbweatherking 10:31 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
i cant believe the BOB depression is now 50 mph tropical storm
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602. hurricane23 10:39 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting ddbweatherking:
i cant believe the BOB depression is now 50 mph tropical storm


Very dangerous situation with now newly formed TS AILA (02B) everything is a place for a power cyclone fortunalty it looks like it may run out of realestate before intensifying futher. Lets hope

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603. Cavin Rawlins 10:43 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting zoomiami:
456 - where was that video of Wilma from?


Most of it was shot in Jamaica, Caymans and Mexico. The last 3-4 images were SFL. Part 2 is not available, which included the remainder of SFL and Cuba
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604. Drakoen 10:44 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Cloud tops near -90C
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605. zoomiami 10:44 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


Most of it was shot in Jamaica, Caymans and Mexico. The last 3-4 images were SFL. Part 2 is not available, which included the remainder of SFL and Cuba


great video
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606. Patrap 10:44 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
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607. hurricane23 10:53 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
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609. Drakoen 11:00 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:


The black spots of those extremely cold cloudtops, how much low in the - category are those numerical estimations in, Adrian?


-90 to -100C
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610. ddbweatherking 11:01 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
This is weird but it is not raining, and has not been, would you happen to know why? This next question may sound stupid but does lower cloud top temperature mean more development?
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611. StormFreakyisher 11:01 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting WPBHurricane05:
Storm- You live in Boca, correct? Its amazing how much a difference of 30 miles makes during these hurricanes.

Yes.
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613. Drakoen 11:05 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting WeatherStudent:


Thank you, Drak.


You're welcome, JFV.
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614. Cavin Rawlins 11:11 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Patrap:
Hi-Rez Image of Atlantis Landing this Morning


A great wallpaper
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615. Patrap 11:12 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
A Fitting Photo to Honor Americas Heroes,in Space,and our Military.
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616. ddbweatherking 11:14 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Ok it has started to slightly sprinkle but just enough to make a little bit of the street wet.
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617. Drakoen 11:14 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
The GFS indicates the possibility of some low level development with the area of convection in the Bahamas.
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618. Cavin Rawlins 11:15 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
This has been such an amazing system

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619. Drakoen 11:15 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:
The GFS indicates the possibility of some low level development with the area of convection in the Bahamas.

Link
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620. HIEXPRESS 11:19 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Atlantic looks a little beat up. While they were landing, Florida was a minefield of convection. Probably a lot of turbulence - not the best thing for "a flying brick". Nothing succeeds like success. Welcome back.
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621. ddbweatherking 11:21 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
and now it's raining on and off
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622. FLWeatherFreak91 11:22 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
If anyone here lives in North Tampa, you should drive up dalemabry just north of van dyke and check out the damage from what I think was a downburst... there are seven wooden power poles snapped up, and a few signs leaning over. I have a vid if anyone would like to see it..
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623. beell 11:37 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Drakoen:

Link


Thanks, Drak,
There is a little bit of mid-level turning at the very end of the stationary boundry attached to the low in the central ATL now that you mention it.

At 22N 67W



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624. FLWeatherFreak91 11:38 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting FLWeatherFreak91:
If anyone here lives in North Tampa, you should drive up dalemabry just north of van dyke and check out the damage from what I think was a downburst... there are seven wooden power poles snapped up, and a few signs leaning over. I have a vid if anyone would like to see it..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oobBsoqroyc
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625. beell 11:45 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Or does it begin at the end of a 90L feeder band?
Looking hard for genesis LOL!
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626. jpritch 11:50 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Looking at the BOB storm and having a hard time pinpointing the center. The latest images I can find are the NRL ones linked at the top of this page.
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627. Drakoen 11:51 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
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628. Cavin Rawlins 11:53 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
There is an elongated region of weak vortcity extending from FL to the Central Subtropical Atlantic associated with speed convergence and upper level forcing.
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629. beell 11:56 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
There is an elongated region of weak vortcity extending from FL to the Central Subtropical Atlantic associated with speed convergence and upper level forcing.


I'll call it a frontal boundary associated with the long lived low in the central ATL. This boundary has been there for a week!
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630. Cavin Rawlins 11:56 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Development however is uncertain since model spread conditions at most, will be marginally favorable.
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631. Cavin Rawlins 11:57 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Quoting beell:


I'll call it a frontal boundary associated with the long lived low in the central ATL. This boundary has been there for a week!


More like a surface trough of low pressure, a boundary nonetheless
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632. StormFreakyisher 11:58 PM GMT del 24 Maggio 2009    
Okay so it seems shear is low enough east of Florida and over the Bahamas and ocean temperatures are just above 80.Development if any would be conducive, weak, and slow.Looks like a lot of showers popping up just above Cuba moving north and in the Bahamas.Link
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633. Cavin Rawlins 12:00 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
Quoting beell:


I'll call it a frontal boundary associated with the long lived low in the central ATL. This boundary has been there for a week!


The blocking index has been high a while between 50-0W, nothing really has been moving across that area for a while. Partly contributed to the genesis of 90L.
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634. SavannahStorm 12:01 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
Surface pressures in the Bahamas and South Florida dropped pretty quickly today, and the wind is out of the east, with sustained winds on the eastern side of the Upper Keys substantially increasing to 25-30 knots.




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635. StormFreakyisher 12:02 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Weather456:


The blocking index has been high a while between 50-0W, nothing really has been moving across that area for a while. Partly contributed to the genesis of 90L.

And that is why we are still getting rain.
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636. StormFreakyisher 12:06 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
Well I can see the pattern.First we usually watch east of Florida and north of Hispanola for development then it moves into the Gulf of Mexico.After we start lookin into Western Carib. as it moves into the eastern Carib.And finally we start looking more into the Atlantic and Africa.It's like a counterclockwise watch literally.
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637. Cavin Rawlins 12:06 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
Quoting StormFreakyisher:

And that is why we are still getting rain.


Yea, the index is important as it signifies the temporal extent of any particular weather pattern.
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638. beell 12:08 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
Quoting Weather456:
Development however is uncertain since model spread conditions at most, will be marginally favorable.


Probably so. Heck, I would not have looked at all if not for the phase diagram from Drak. Thought I gave a good look to the GFS earlier today. Saw all those convective feedback dots and moved on. 18ZGFS a little stronger with a surface low and a bit of an inverted trough.
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639. severstorm 12:08 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
Hi All, what a thunderstorm here today. got 2.84 inches in alittle over an hour. Loads of cloud to ground lightning. Sounded like a war zone. Zephyrhills Fl.
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640. HurricaneKing 12:08 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
I think the area around 25n 75w is what most models are picking up on. I think from looking at the models by late monday or early Tuesday we may have another invest.
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641. hurricane23 12:10 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
Forgot to mention the 1929 and labor day 1935 canes was also in a slow year.
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642. severstorm 12:12 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
11.87 inches this month so far has gotten us only .81 below normal for the year. My well is very happy.
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643. beell 12:17 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
Quoting HurricaneKing:
I think the area around 25n 75w is what most models are picking up on. I think from looking at the models by late monday or early Tuesday we may have another invest.


And that would be at the end of a 90L feeder. Maybe the GFS is gonna hit on the little zone of elongation between that and the end of the frontal boundary at 22N 67W? End of the boundary pulling east, the end of the feeder pulling NNW. Wham! ya gotta an area of low pressure.
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644. beell 12:25 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
ok...maybe not
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645. Patrap 12:25 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
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646. HurricaneKing 12:30 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
Quoting beell:


And that would be at the end of a 90L feeder. Maybe the GFS is gonna hit on the little zone of elongation between that and the end of the frontal boundary at 22N 67W? End of the boundary pulling east, the end of the feeder pulling NNW. Wham! ya gotta an area of low pressure.


Sorry for not answering I was on facebook talking with another meteorology major from my college about our local weather.

I believe that the end of the feeder band where the convection is trying to organize is where the low will form. (If one actually forms.)
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647. BahaHurican 12:38 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
From the 8:05 pm TWD:

...TROPICAL WAVES...
A TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 53W/54W S OF 17N MOVING W 15-20 KT.
RECENT SURFACE OBSERVATIONS SHOW WELL-DEFINED CYCLONIC
CURVATURE IN THE LOW LEVEL WINDS AROUND THIS WAVE. THIS WAVE IS
ASSOCIATED WITH A MAXIMUM IN DEEP LAYER MOISTURE BASED ON TOTAL
PRECIPITABLE WATER PRODUCT FROM CIMSS. SOUTHEASTERLY LOW LEVEL
FLOW BETWEEN THE TROPICAL WAVE AND A SURFACE TROUGH FARTHER
NORTH APPEAR TO BE ADVECTING CYCLONIC VORTICITY ASSOCIATED WITH
THIS WAVE NORTHWARD. AS A RESULT...THE WAVE HAS BEEN EXTENDED
NORTHWARD TO 17N...CONSISTENT WITH THE NORTHWARD EXTENSION IN
DEEP LAYER MOISTURE. SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION IS OCCURRING
WITHIN 180 NM EITHER SIDE OF THE WAVE AXIS S OF 6N...INCLUDING
PORTIONS OF SURINAME...FRENCH GUIANA...AND NE BRAZIL. FARTHER TO
THE NORTH...DEEP CONVECTION IN THE VICINITY OF THIS WAVE IS
BEING SUPPRESSED BY SUBSIDENCE ASSOCIATED WITH A SURFACE RIDGE
OVER THE E ATLC. HOWEVER...SCATTERED SHOWERS ARE OCCURRING
WITHIN 90 NM EITHER SIDE OF THE WAVE AXIS FROM 6N-17N.

Looks like pottery may have a slight chance of some precipitation after all. . .

Quoting hurricane23:
Forgot to mention the 1929 and labor day 1935 canes was also in a slow year.
True. That '29 cane was a "out of nowhere" turn-back typhoon. Only one or two other storms were noted that year.
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648. beell 12:39 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
is cool HKing. I'll try to keep these outbursts to a minimum lol!
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649. HurricaneKing 12:42 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
Quoting beell:
is cool HKing. I'll try to keep these outbursts to a minimum lol!


LOL so there won't be another outburst I'll go a head and tell you I'm going to get dinner bbl. LOL
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650. BahaHurican 12:42 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
Also a suspected Twave "ALONG 25W S OF 6N MOVING W NEAR 15 KT". I didn't look at that; I was more interested in the stuff closer to home. If it's more than a ghost, though, it does add an extra potential "something" for, say, the official beginning of the season. . .
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651. RitaEvac 12:42 AM GMT del 25 Maggio 2009    
Finally got my rain, The May Spinner helped me out in SE TX, got 1.08" today, perfect.
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